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Last updated 2018/07/17 at 6:35 AM View Changelog

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Comment by gorocz

Just wanted to note that you still have Soul Fire (under Destro Warlock) costing 10 Soul Shards, whereas it most likely should be 10 Soul Shard Fragments = 1 Soul Shard (Hellfire cost is in Soul Shard Fragments for example). Our Soul Shards don't go that high, unless they are remaking the system again...

Comment by Racthoh

I hope BfA is not the return of people crying about not having all raid buffs

Comment by evilmark443

Legion has been my favorite incarnation of Marksman Hunter, very sad to see that it's being drastically changed in BfA :(

Would be nice to have just one expansion where I didn't have to relearn a spec all over again ...

Comment by GullaDaPwna

Soulfire currently using hand of guldan tooltip in your guide for demonology.

Comment by Leduan

I really love SW build for MM hunters i hope they add them back in BFA.

Comment by bastler

NEW Tiger Dash Activates Cat Form and increases movement speed by 200%, reducing gradually over 4 sec.
New level 30 Talent for all specs, replaces Displacer Beast

This is wrong!
Tiger Dash description when moused over clearly states that it replaces DASH. So we lose Displacer Beast and get nothing in return!

Comment by Daillemand

Yeahhh ! We are MAKING OUTLAW GREAT AGAIN !

With the changes about attack power i'm sure Cannonball Barrage and Killing Spree will be better choices ! :D

Comment by Ezriann

Gust of Wind being removed from Elemental Shaman hurts so freaking bad.

Comment by Automatiic

Wow, great job Blizz. Did someone double-dog-dare you to completely *!@# Ret Paladins in BFA?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED AMIRIGHT?

Comment by ExxorD

Removing Divine Intervention from paladins? >/ I forsee a heightened repair bill in my future. Mind you I don't get killed because of stupidity, but things beyond my control get me killed most of the time. Also its gonna cause me more aggravation. Way to go again, Blizz. GG. -sarcasm-

Comment by Cavalier196

Did I read that right? Earth Shield is back baseline? If so, happy days!

Comment by dek1979

Why take away self healing from tanking we need it for when we are solo quest leveling. with first aid possibly being removed how the hell we gonna self heal out of combat? not everyone can afford/carry potions.

Comment by hobbes0773

At least for feral druids, it doesn't mention our actual largest change so far, which is the removal of Ashamane's Frenzy. Additionally, Guardian doesn't really mention that Frenzied Regeneration received a design change in addition to a CD change. It now heals for a total % of health, not just the damage done to you recently.

I imagine the artifact abilities should be mentioned on all other classes/specs as well where applicable, since some had their artifact abilities baked in.

Comment by Nicholas0606

Jesus christ the paladins changes...NO ONE is going to take wake over crusade. NO ONE.

Comment by Joe1113

Am I reading this right? Why remove Unending Breath? Yes, many don't use this skill, but I happen to like it and enjoy using it, even if I just mess around. Seems like something silly to remove.

Also, why remove the Doomguard? Why make the Infernal for Destruction only? Both of these changes seem pointless.

Comment by Salamikorv

I've been maining hunter and lock back and forth for year's. Thinking of changing it all up going into BfA. I don't know much about ele shamie's, but according to what i read. Is this huge nerf or nay? Or i'm starring blind on number's?

Comment by selkie47

Very displeased over the removal of Healing Touch for Resto druids. Are they trying to make this the "idiots healing spec" or something? Is Blizz back to feeling druids have too many spells again? Trust me, we do not. -.-

Excited about Animal Companion for BM though! I would like it to summon any pets from the first tab of pets (or any pet in the active stable that isn't currently in combat).

Ignore Pain sounds awful. Like, yea, why would a prot warrior need rage at all? Its so worthless to them right? Its not like they use it for other mitigation spells...

Comment by Yewfire

On behalf of arcane mages everywhere, "Horrible, just horrible".

Comment by Hydraxion

Specializations changed from Arms/Fury/Protection to Fury/Protection
is this correct? :(

Comment by Valdesca

Blizz do too much work to replace remove and twist, so we have to learn again over the same again, redo all macros, and for what? they think with this we think is a new game... no! one class nerfed other class powered same old stuff ... /bored

Comment by Meoligel

Warlock General: REMOVED - Unending Breath
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

P.S. Oh, and thats my favorite combo:
Hellfire+Burning Rush XD

Comment by Aerynsun8449

I play every class, not well, but adequate. I look at these changes and wonder why the drastic changes, when wowhead is saying a slight change here or there. For example; (And I understand these are from Blizzard not wowhead. Wowhead is simply passing along the information.)

“Arcane has seen few changes so far, including the removal of(Spell #236628) and(Spell #205035).”
Then goes on to say, “ Arcane Blast Blasts the target with energy, dealing (232.804%55% of Spell power) Arcane damage.”

It seems to me that a change from 232.804% down to 55% is a drastic change. But, I have to remember, we’re getting one side of the equation. If the mobs’ health and hit damage are also dropping by a similar percentage, then suddenly this isn’t a drastic change. It just looks drastic taken alone.

What I would like to see is how the bosses' and mobs’ damage dealing abilities have changed to meet these changes.

Wowhead, is that a thing that can be implemented? Or is it already and I’ve just not seen where to read it yet?

Comment by curserun

I don't even mind the stat-squish, maybe it needed to be done. Numbers were getting a little crazy, to be honest. What really kills me is some of the more (frankly) reckless changes to class abilities. I play both Marksmanship Hunter and Arms Warrior (for example) as two of my main characters, and I can confidently say with the changes being made to their core gameplay mechanics (Hunter's Mark for Marksmanship and Colossus Smash for Arms, among many others), I won't be playing those specs anymore. I don't want to leave the characters behind, so I'll likely end up switching to a different spec which I don't currently enjoy as much. Which saddens me a bit. Like, I'll survive, boo-hoo woe is me it's just a game... but when a developer makes such a radical change to something, to the extent that players just want to leave it behind, that to me looks like a step backwards. That's my two cents.

Comment by Monthy

What is going on with Rouge's "LOCKPICKING". is it at all still in the game for Rouge's? Why is there no up-to-date guides for lockpicking all the way up to LEGION. Is there nothing of interest in that segment anymore? I think it would be a sad if it was taken out of the game, but that seems to be the way it is going!

Comment by Sanderdun

I Main a beast master hunter and I have to say these changes will be terrible you are basically super nerfing our spec/class by neutering our choices in the talent tree. Honestly There are several things that needed to be remove which have all stayed and things most of us wanted to keep almost all of which you are removing. also the Line with stampede in it is completely messed up the two talents in line with it are of a unrelated function where as stomp is what makes dire beast effective, barrage is for periodic aoe, and Stampede is a heavy damage bursting whammy that does do AOE but is mostly used to slam bosses.

Currently many of us use dire beast with stomp making the beast damage efficient, while choosing between murder of crows (single target) / barrage(aoe), And have selected Stampede for our big whammy not hating on people who use other talents on that line) and we are happy with the results.

Any current stagnation in the DPS pool we currently experience is because of the overall dps nerfs and prefixes don't to the class/spec in general as an example
one week its -10 damage the next its +8% over all the while we feel like a yo-yo going up and down damage counters depending on the whim of the GMs.

I am begging that you do not do this to our sepc and reconsider. perhaps change some of the lesser used shots if you absolutely feel the need to chage something or make the area of effect for stampede visible to other players so the target isn't accidentally tanked out of line. There are many improvements that can be made with out destroying our whole rotation.

Comment by Drahken

What exactly is this mess going on with Survival Hunters? Do they know what concept they're trying to go with? I mean, I absolutely DESPISE the idea of a melee hunter spec, but I have to respect that at least they committed to it. But now they're backtreading on it, but, like, only part way. They're still ostensibly a melee spec and still use a melee weapon, but now they have all these ranged abilities, including Serpent Sting? Are they going to change the idea of SS, because it's currently "Shoot a poisoned arrow at blah blah blah". Shoot an arrow? With WHAT? And they're changing the core theme of the spec, including the mastery, from "attack viciously with your spear", to "attack alongside your pet". Um, isn't that Beast Mastery's shtick? How is Survival now the spec that has Spirit Bond? It's even stolen Kill Command which has ALWAYS been BM's signature attack. Combined with BM switching the Dire Beast and Dire Stable, it's going from being the "summon lots of beasts" back to just "attack alongside your pet". The entire point of the big Legion shakeup was to differentiate the specs, and as much as I hate how they destroyed what was my favorite spec since Wrath, I have to admit that they definitely achieved their aim. But now they're merging SV and BM back to being similar again and I can't figure out why.

Comment by linkmastr001

I just wanted to say thanks for doing this! I always prefer looking at net changes to things, rather then individual changes without much context, such as nerfing something, that was buffed in a previous build, making you think it's a nerf when the net is nothing.

Comment by OmegaDoge

Survival hunter looks like it's gonna be really fun :D

Comment by Saylien

Does anybody know why they do not create new talent tier on lvl 110 or such? is there any official statement or do director speak about that in live QnA? I really miss times where i hit max lvl and i hit that last talent or i cant wait to try cool new ability on max lvl:D Maybe its some cruel joke by Void lords or im just too damn old:D

Comment by ThargsStormfury

I am curious to see if they will bring single-minded fury back for fury war..

Comment by Mavroula

Can find all outlaw rogue changes in my video in detail. https://youtu.be/Du6eJVAcY_I

Comment by Zeddicys

Since it hasn't been mentioned in yet from what I've read, I'd like to add that Feral Druid bleeds are also scaling with haste now in BFA. You specifically note Rogues, Warriors, and Hunters, but left Feral out even though they are benefiting from this new change. Just want to clarify in case any of my fellow druids are confused by the wording.

Hopefully Feral Druids will now scale well enough to not need a 33-40% flat damage increase across the board late in an expansion just to be viable.

Comment by Maliethos

From my experience as a Guardian Druid, since update 25902 our survivability/dps has been severely nerfed. As things scale the disparity between my mitigation on my Druid and Paladin changes drastically favouring my Paladin as the better mitigation tank of the two.

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