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Comment by 477939

how do you get holy power?

Comment by 625634

In the next beta build (12604), this ability will be replacing Divine Storm as the Retribution signature ability, meaning we will have access to Templar's Verdict at level 10. Divine Storm has been made into a Ret tier 3 talent.

Comment by sonicknight

Seems abit OP? 225% weapon damage is alot of burst

Comment by Maccabius

Concerning Ret Pallies and burst in Cata... I've had similar PvP concerns. The 225% weapon damage from the new Templar's Verdict is only a small part of the problem.

With the new Seal of Truth (basically looks the exact same as Seal of Vengeance/Corruption in game now, with the exception that it seems to be taking over the new Seal of Righteousness as the go-to seal for PvPers - and our current SoR becoming the Ret's new Seal of Command with the new Seals of Command talent), and the 'Holy Power' mechanic they're adding, it's true that in PvP Ret Pallies are going to need a good 10+ seconds on a foe to 'Charge Up.' If they can ever get to that point though, it looks pretty much like game over.

5 stacks of Seal of Truth + 3 (full) Holy Power = Pop wings & zealotry + chain Rebuke (our new 'Kick'), Hammer of Justice, and Repentance, all the while Judging & Full-Powered Templar's Verdicts & pretty much auto-critting with Hammer of Wrath (now that we can HoW as much as we like as long as our wings are up with our new Sanctified Wrath talent) the entire time. Seems like you pair a Ret Pally in a team that can allow your Pally to stay alive and keep his trinket and get in enough hits to charge up and you've got a pretty OP arena team...

I really see no problems yet in terms of PvE DPS though. Rets have been a slow build into a steady, high DPS with bursts in damage revolving around our wings cooldown. Zealotry is either going to make that burst bigger or give us a second burst to play with. Either way, it seems our dps role in raids is going to stay essentially the same with a few new fun mechanics to manage.

Comment by Maccabius

Yea, no way that can be bursty... http://cata.wowhead.com/search?q=crusader+strike#abilities crusader strike with a 4 sec cd (3 if talented) then zealotry (making crusader strike proc 3 holy powers instead of 1)

Wonder what will happen the next 15 sec. Getting a 225% wpn dmg strike every 3 sec.. (in addition to the normal CS/DS/Judge damage)
I see your point, no way that could be bursty at all....

With a 3 sec cd on CS and no cd on Templar's Verdict, a paladin's optimal rotation during Zealotry would seem to be CS -> TV -> CS -> TV, etc. There doesn't seem to be any room for any other abilities... even judgements. What I'm chomping at the bit to find out is how much of a DPS boost this would be versus a Paladin's regular rotation. This would affect whether you'd be better off (in PvE) to pop wings along with Zealotry, or if it'd be better to use wings separately to take advantage of the Sanctified Wrath talent and get in up to 3 (or 6 if they keep Glyph of Avenging Wrath in Cata) Hammer of Wrath's along with a couple Judgements and a couple TV's in there.

Comment by 230590

paladin's eviserate is probably the best way to put it since as ret there are 3 main uses for holy power, just like rogues have many ways to use combo points

templar's verdict - physical damage based on weapon damage (close to 300% talented)
word of glory - healing (also looks like it was meant to replace Art of War heals)
inquistion - damage modifier for limited time (like rogue's slice and dice or druid's savage roar)
divine storm - AoE finisher, no longer a regular attack with splash damage, it also not longer has a target limit... this also seems to be unique to paladin's as rogues and druids dont have a finisher that is aoe damage

like a rogue's eviserate there is also a comparable envenom in protection, shield of the righteous is a finisher now dealing up to 120% AP in holy damage at max power (so ret uses the physical finisher while prot uses the armor ignoring one for damage)... the only ridiculous thing is Vengeance and how much AP it gives easily making SotR a the better finisher in terms of damage

also some interesting things so far with power generation you should expect as ret

-haste affects crusader strike's cooldown if you take the talent meaning haste may be the way to go as ret (especially since all the crit talent are gone, and there are many proc based talents in cata)
-pursuit of justice gives holy power when hit by a snare, which means that you can throw heals or if in melee range, dish out far more TV's in pvp
-divine purpose give holy power 40% of the time on many attacks including some finishers, which can allow chain casting at times, or bursty/dry streaks at times
-the mastery is kind of a clearcasting type talent where it allows your next holy power ability to be free and act as if it used 3 power, so you may get large spikes in damage or healing as ret, more often the more mastery you have

been reading and ideally aim for a 2 holy power, 1 point is too weak and sitting at 3 may lead to wasting HP, im thinking of it as rogue's mutilate where they have bulky combo generation (they use finishers at 4 so they dont waste CP)... too many procs that could lead to either free finishers or extra holy power

Comment by 629499

O.O Damage is amazing! If talented correctly and glyphed, this thing can do ~410% Weapon Damage! PvP Players, you best look out... CAUSE YOU GONNA GET HIT BY A TRUCK! >:D

EDIT: Not including selfless healer

Comment by 209880

Yo dawgs,

we heard you like to hammer, so when we were designing the thumbnail of this kickass skill, we decided to put a hammer on your hammer so you can hammer while you hammer.

Also, in a future patch we intend to introduce orc paladins, for the hammerin and awesomeness to increase exponentially.

Comment by 424512

TV is physical damage? or holy.....

Comment by 610513

i have to admit, i was expecting yet another nerf on all of us pallys, but when i got to the dummy at org and started workin out a combo, i did about 100k damage in about 5-7 seconds, alot more then i could ever imagine being able to do without being in a vehicle :L

Comment by 549921

At 3 Holy Power, the tooltip says 225% weapon damage. Take into account all the damage increases to TV ONLY.

+30% - 292% = Crusade
+15% - 336% = Glyph
+10% - 370% = T11 Set bonus (cata)

It does much more damage than people think.

Comment by StaticLgtBrngr

Does this spell with the new holy power system remind anyone else of classic pally? (at least where ret is concerned)

In days of yore you would hit with crusader strike which left a stacking debuff on the target which increased the holy damage it took, then once at 3 stacks holy strike would hit like a mack truck.

This new ret feels very similar in that regard except now you stack 3 charges of holy power on yourself by hitting with crusader strike and then unleash hell with templars verdict, the new holy strike.

As for pvp I think ret has good potential now despite needing holy power charges due to the way mastery rating works, with enough of it you can get a lot of procs which allow you to cast this spell as if you are at 100% holy power and not consume any holy power regardless of how much you have, this is very handy along side the new spell which causes crusader strike to generate 3 charges of holy power per hit (I forget the name) along with avenging wrath which now allows hammer of wrath to be used every cd while avenging wrath is active regardless of the targets health state.

Using your cooldowns properly and or with a bit of luck you can now dish out an enormous amount of single target burst damage as ret thanks to this spell.

Oh and to those asking, yes, templars verdict causes physical damage, not holy.

Comment by godnoble

What is that icon supposed to be?

Comment by Maccabius

Haste only helps with global cooldowns of 'spell abilities' - not melee abilities. For Ret this means that your Exorcism, Holy Wrath, and Consecration will be affected by haste. Your Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Judgement, and Hammer of Wrath will always have a global cooldown of 1.5 seconds though.

Ret Pallies seem to be up in the air at the moment. Haste seems like a definite top secondary stat, but sounds like it is sooo eclipsed by Strength that it makes gemming for haste not viable (elitist jerks mentioned a ratio of 3:1 in favor of strength).

The shame is that it seems like Blizz has an AWESOME and very fun dps class set up in Ret Pallies, but the numbers are just messing us up (of course this is my opinion). I loved Ret when the patch 4.0 first hit. Everything was about getting holy power to use Templar's Verdict. Every other ability you had was basically only there for the chance of getting the Holy Power to charge your next TV up. Haste 1) reduced the cooldown of Crusader Strike (our biggest Holy Power generator), 2) helped our Art of War procs - giving a 40% chance of a holy power and helping to fill out a rotation that would otherwise have holes in it 3) worked in tandem with our Mastery to give a free TV and another 40% shot at generating another holy power and fill even more holes 4) sped up our Seal of Truth DoTs (more trivial to how the class PLAYS, but still a notable source of DPS). When Cata dropped I was expecting to have a new buff to manage (Inquisition) and another cooldown to play with (Gaurdian of the Ancient Kings) and that's it...

What ended up happening though was Templar's Verdict was rivaled on the damage sheets by AoW Exorcism as our 'biggest nuke.' I couldn't tell if they nerfed Templar's Verdict at all in the process - I wasn't following the changes that carefully and I may have missed it, but I don't think it has been nerfed. It certainly feels as if it has though. They certainly buffed Exorcism though. It's still going to be only around 10-12% of a Ret's damage while Templar's Verdict will probably be at about 18-20% in most fights, but simply the fact that its damage is the same as a fully charged TV takes some of the fun out of the class in my opinion. There's something very... pleasing? about storing up that holy power to release a killer blow. Having a proc off a weapon swing that hits as hard cheapens it for me. Plus, it messes with the priority system.

Blizz, if you're listening, please for my sake, nerf exorcism into the ground. Put it down on the charts next to Holy Wrath where it belongs! If you want to make it an important part of Ret, then change the 100% damage buff from Art of War to a 100% chance to generate Holy power, and make my Templar's Verdicts sacred again! Exorcism down to 5-7% and Templar's Verdict up to 25-30% of our damage table would be lovely! thanks.

Comment by 439543

Nobody mentioned yet, but it's worth noting that this attack has one of the more awesome sounds the WoW can offer these days.

When I first heard it, I was like: "Huh, what was that AWESOME channg-chiinnng sound? Now I've GOT to go play that class."

Comment by OldWolf

The tooltip on this page says:

1 Holy Power: (33 * 1.15)% Weapon Damage
2 Holy Power: (33 * 1.15)% Weapon Damage
3 Holy Power: (99 * 1.15)% Weapon Damage

which differs from the in-game tooltip. Can someone clarify?

Comment by Mi777

I think this spell has a new animation. Saw it on my female blood elf, looked little like a dance move :)

Comment by Nikecow

For anyone wondering, the "Final Verdict" talent replaces Templar's Verdict.

Comment by heartlessnobody

Templar's Verdict
3 Holy Power Melee Range
Instant cast
Requires Paladin (Retribution)
Requires level 10
A powerful weapon strike that deals 485% Holy damage.

almost double from 259% and oh whats that? it does Holy damage now heh
kinda nuky now yyyeeesss

Comment by rodalpho

The devs told us exactly how Ret abilities work in PvP at the link(s) below.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20747314610#2

I'm pasting it here as they typically delete the beta forums after release.

Execution Sentence deals 60% damage in PvP
Templar's Verdict deals 70% damage in PvP
Justicar's Vengeance heals for 60% of damage done

Comment by TheSephiroth

Is it AoE damage?

Comment by Trollokdamus

As of 8.1, you're now getting the Avenging Wrath wings visual effect while performing this ability. Pretty neat.

Comment by oresteia

Currently deals 5k-9k in 9.0.1.

Comment by Sushiska

Gotta be one of the best looking and sounding animations. Sounds heavy and righteous!

Comment by miblan

So this is the spell that keeps killing me in PvP

Comment by Tshirt

Psst... Non-Paladins... Is this blockable by an Anti-magic Shield?

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Templar's Verdict

Templar's Verdict

3 Holy Power	Melee Range

Instant cast

Unleashes a powerful weapon strike that deals (194% of Attack power) Holy damage to an enemy target.

Spell Details

Duration

n/a

School

Holy

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

3 Holy Power

Range

5 yards (Combat)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

1.5 seconds

Effect #1

Dummy
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Effect #2

Dummy
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Flags

Cannot be used while shapeshifted
Do Not Sheath
No Skill Increase
Initiates Combat (Enabled Auto-Attack)
Discount Power On Miss
Melee Chain Targeting
Spellcast Override In Spellbook

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