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Comment by MeanMachine

Rejoice, warriors, as you get something to help maintain aggro on multiple targets. The damage/threat will most certainly work on stun immune targets, so no need to worry about that.

The 20 seconds cooldown make this more of a burst threat ability than something spammable. Without knowing exactly how much extra threat this does, I can't say for sure how viable it really is, though.

Anyway, it sounds about right for a 51 point talent. We'll do the theorycrafting as WotLK approaches.

Comment by catspats31

This spell is inspired by the Tauren Chieftain hero from Warcraft III and its expansion.

Comment by Absolas

This makes me a VERY happy tank. I always could use a little extra AoE burst more than thunderclap. Unfortunately I am seeing that AP damage modifier, and we all know how little AP we see on tank gear. Hopefully the extra threat is unchanged by AP and only modifies the damage.

Perhaps this is a hint at new tank itemization? A tank equivalent to the spell damage they gave for healers maybe? God I hope so!

Comment by DoubleA

Does anyone know if this shares diminishing returns with the other warrior stuns?

Comment by Daxos

I know the CD is longer then Shield Slam (especially if consider sword and board), but will this be the new high threat move for warriors as Shield Slam once was pre-wotlk?

Comment by Archdmon

It will be another threat generating ability to add up to your arsenal. It seems like Warriors will remain kings of single target tanking regardless of all the buffs other tanks are getting, not to mention DKs. Im happy it remains that way.

Comment by Mortalsyn

This will be a nice little threat genorator for multiple mobs this plus Thunder clap should improve multi mob tanking alot, makes my life easier :D

Comment by Zeetermin

This and the buff to Thunder Clap (it now gains 10-20% of your AP, i forget how much) will make AoE tanking MUCH easier for warriors

Comment by Bishkrump

Co-efficient is now 50% of AP. :)

I'll delete this comment when it becomes obsolete, of course.

Comment by Sly99

I guess seeing how they put this in it could be seen as a fair trade, seeing as the increased the CD for thunderclap, otherwise it would probably make tanking warriors too unbalanced compared to other tanking options.

Comment by velourea

I'm gonna stack attack power instead of avoidance and stamina and brag to my tank friends how many damage my shockwave crits for. Insanely genius idea to make the top warrior tank talent depend on attack power. Kudo's!

Comment by Korasoff

You're forgetting that tank stats change drastically in WotLK. There is less focus on avoidance and more on block value through Strength. So yes, even Prot Warriors will sport very respectable AP.

Comment by Quent

The looks of this spell is rather disappointing. It was so cool in Warcraft 3, I hope its just a PH.

Anyway, It's gonna be great among all the other changes the protection warrior gets.

Comment by Fruitcase

very good ability for tanking specailly it doesn't cost alot of rage but the cone system kinda sucks . u know its hard to hit a group of moving target with http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=42931 . (Hard to hit not as resisted as u cannot get them all infront of u)

Comment by 7echno7im

This will be nice not only for AOE tanking (threat generation) but also for temporarily stunning mobs that may get loose due to a knock-back or stun. Looking forward to showing this off in 5 mans. I have already mastered my imp thunderclap aoe tanking, this just gives me one more option. Seems like it may be a better option for an AOE tank opener too, due to the fact that its damage is based on your AP, possibly causing more spike threat than thunderclap, and its lower rage requirement. The stun is just and added bonus for this situation.

Comment by Dralas

I'm trying to think if this ability is most effect as a charge in, pull mobs backwards to have them form the cone, then use shockwave to have that startup aggro, or more a "OMFG" button

Comment by Arando

Since this stuns enemies, maybe this is not the best skill to open an AoE situation with. If you start with this and all the enemies are stunned, you won't be getting hit and generating as much rage for those four seconds*, while the mage gleefully starts blowing stuff up as soon as he sees shockwave go off. That leaves you high and dry for when the stun wears off and you have several mobs to get back aggro on.

I'd suggest thunderclap first, and then shockwave after a few seconds when it looks like things have settled.

* I don't know how much rage warriors will be getting from white damage dealt when the patch goes live and we get a lot more AP, but this is still a good bet.

Comment by Tamika

From my own experience, it's a godly talent for a CC-hater tank like me. Tried this talent out in heroic MgT (no CC) it's very powerful. Usually opening with Bloodrage-Commanding Shout-Charge-Thunder Clap (while moving to a corner of te pull to be ready to....) - Shockwave. With this opening you get enough aggro (damage shield, TC and shockwave build great initial aggro), the mobs are stunned 4 secs, which gives your healer plenty of time to get you healed to the top, while your DPS most probably already downed one mob.

Also great lifesaver talent when:

Some DPS aggroed 3 or more, and you got no challenging ready/fear is dangerous
Your healer felt asleep
You charged bit too far and healer is out of range (my favorite)

Comment by Falos

Definitely not a 51pt talent.

It's not bad, when tanking I can hit most stuff and solo/dps it has its uses. PvP even, when there's crowds you can hit two or even three.

It's still a cone and thus the only full on AoE is on mobs already hitting you. 4 second stun is only good in the AoE element, otherwise charge/conc guarantee a DR nightmare. Personally, I strongly think charge needs to not count, or change it to a snare or +speed like shadowstep. I'm considering saying that the stun should be taken out all together - a "nerf" that'd help.

Comment by Sunderhorse

I must say, this is my new favorite ability as a tank. It allows me to multitank so much easier.
"What? you're running away? BLASPHEMY!" And then you cast this little number.
This also has infinite uses for soloing, and is so nice to escape a mob, and then charge to make a quick getaway.

Comment by kreuk

In the current patch 3.0.2(9056), shockwave does not use up the charge of recklessness therefore it does not 100% crit when using recklessness.

Comment by omgcritz

I wish Blizz would make the animation better though... I almost never see it...

Comment by Korasoff

This is a godsend in PvP versus Rogues since it does not require an equipped weapon or shield. So when they Dismantle after their initial stun wears off, KAPOW. Rend, run away, Charge back in!

Comment by tempestad

Cairne Bloodhoof, and yeah

Comment by nuttz0r

It's worth mentioning that Shockwave cannot be dodged or parried. The damage can be partially or fully blocked but the stun is still applied

Comment by Ezence

This ability is also awesome for single target threat, just as concussion blow is, only downside is that you can't really hit dragons with it or other super large hitbox mobs.

Comment by yarko

Is it just me or does this spell only last about a second? What is this 4 second thing? It seems like it used to last longer. What happened?

Comment by Korasoff

Is it just me or does this spell only last about a second? What is this 4 second thing? It seems like it used to last longer. What happened?

Shockwave causes a controlled stun, which is on diminishing returns with all other controlled stuns. Included in this category are:

Charge
Concussion Blow
Rogue's Kidney Shot
Paladin's Hammer of Justice
Etc...

So if you Charge, Conc Blow, then Shockwave, the duration of the stuns will be as follows:

1 second Charge Stun
2.5 seconds Concussion Blow (50% duration)
1 second Shockwave (25% duration)

After the Shockwave stun wears off, the target will become immune to controlled stuns for 15 seconds.

Comment by cromer

Love Shockwave, but it becomes useless sometimes with flying mobs. It seams that if you are fighting anything that is above your head, it totally misses, no matter how lined up your are with it. In my opinion, if I'm facing my target and I can hit it with my sword, I should be able to hit it with Shockwave. I've tried jumping and hitting the Shockwave button while in mid-air, but that rarely works. When possible I try to pull the flying mob to a spot where I'm on higher ground than it is.

Is this bugging anyone else? Also curious if it's worse for the few gnome tanks there are out there, considering that most flying mobs would be over their heads...lol.

Comment by JustAnt

This little gem makes a prot warrior more usefull in PvP.
One example comes to mind in WSG, when 3 or more enemies come through the tunnel to take/save the flag, the warrior can control them with a well placed Shockwave, dealing considerable damage and of course stunning them enough time to let your flag carrier escape or for your reinforcements to come!

As any skill, all you need is some imagination to use it!

Comment by lolman647

uh, I'm seeing a lot of posts where people are actually worried about their Attack Power as a tank. put max points in Armored To The Teeth to get extra attack power for every 180 armor you have

Comment by Gormourn

Good news! With patch 3.1, I believe, charge has a 1.5 second stun that's OFF THE DIMINISHING RETURNS TABLE!

So, you can follow it up with a Shockwave or Concussion blow for a full duration stun, in addition to the 1.5 stun from Charge.

Comment by zarakon

The cone starts off fairly wide at melee range. It will hit ALMOST anything that you could hit with a melee attack. The angle that it can hit around you is larger than your melee attack, meaning that it can hit some enemies that are slightly behind you. There are small areas far to the left or right of your character where your melee attack can hit but shockwave will miss. The cone expands slightly as it goes out, but not much.

Comment by Priderage

Shockwave's uses extend well into endgame raiding both past and present, with it's stun interrupting all Burrowers casting Shadow Strike for Grand Anub'arak and stunning Shambling Horrors for the duration of their Enrage every single time they cast it.

Other uses include stopping Bloodbeasts on Saurfang, worms from Abominations during Valithria, getting threat on Big Oozes from afar on Rotface and stunning Adherents on Lady Deathwhisper whilst they stand in Death and Decay, immune to interrupt. All this is without considering that it just does an absolute truckload of damage.

All in all this is an absolutely golden ability that the dev's should be damn proud of.

Comment by Pneuma1

It seems to me that a good time to use this talent would be when you're AOE tanking a group and one mob is pulled off and runs for a caster. Obviously the first thing you need to do is taunt and then get some threat on that mob, so you run toward the mob since you're so fast on the draw that it is way too close for a charge and your abilities are on global cooldown anyway and you need your next ability for a shield slam or devastate. So for the three giant steps that it takes you and that newly taunted mob to get together, your back is to the nine-hundred and fifty mobs that you have agro on. Being unable to block all those attacks for that second or so, you take a bunch of damage and now your health is down to 99%. Now with your nine-billion hitpoints the healer is going to have to spam some serious heals to get your health back up from 99% to 100%. So this is where your shockwave comes in. Take two steps back to get your mobs aligned and let loose your shockwave to stun everything for 4 seconds. That should give your healer the chance to get off two heals and get you at least halfway back to your perfect, flawless self.

Of course, this situation never happens because you'd NEVER lose agro on a mob, being the perfect warrior that you are.

More realistically, you lose agro on a mob, go running for it mashing taunt and whatever other random ability that your mouse happens to be over because you haven't got any emergency macros. Now your back is to the other mobs and they take your health down halfway. As you re-agro the lost mob the squishy mage pulls a different mob off you in the other direction and instantly dies, giving you back agro (so no problem then, right? Its just a mage, afterall.) and you spin halfway around and hit shockwave too early and completely miss all the mobs, who then decide you're a wuss and go after the healer, who is a priest and dies of a heart attack when the mobs just look at him, and its all downhill from there.

Comment by Dradee

And the point of that post is...?

Comment by ivo111

Incredibly useful in the Cataclysm beta. Deals about 6k damage (while AoE tanking, that is) non-crit with 4 sec stun to multiple enemies in front of you. This is because of Vengeance which gives attack power up to 10% of your health.

Comment by Orthis

It's not as visible as the original Tauren Chieftan shockwave animation from Warcraft 3, which was very distinct.

For those who seen Resident Evil Afterlife, Alice (It's the same scene as in the picture) Shockwaves a bunged of security guards and kills them all.

The animation was awesome, it left the room in front of her scared.

Comment by Aera

WoWhead really needs to put the pre-4.0.1 comments into a different tab or something. Every ability has changed in either dmg, mechanics, name, cost, or level available. Right now this spell as at the bottom of the Prot tree. 31 points to get. No longer get this at 60 sadly :(

Comment by PVVN3D

nice talent, specially for pvp when keeping the enemy stunlocked

Comment by brodover

outside of raids, dungeons and questing, i find this useful when mining to prevent others from stealing my nodes while i'm getting attacked by mobs. one shockwave, and u'll have enough time to mine the node (which should be right next to u).

Comment by Resented

Assuming you're fighting a spellcaster, it's currently possible to keep them locked down as a Prot Warrior for a total of approximately 35 seconds under ideal conditions.

EDIT: As of 5.0.4 this is no longer relevant: The CD on Pummel has been increased to 15 seconds, Concussion Blow, Glyph of Shockwave and Intercept no longer exist.

Concussion blow - 5 seconds.
Shockwave - 2 seconds after Diminishing Returns.
Charge - 1.5* seconds, but not affected by DR.
Pummel - Allows 3 seconds of silence through Gag Order.
Intercept - 2.5* seconds with Glyph of Intercept, also not on DR.
Intimidating Shout - 8 seconds of fear, assuming it doesn't get broken early.
Heroic Throw - Allows 1.5 seconds (After DR) of silence via Gag Order.
Charge - By this point it'll be off cooldown again for another 1.5 seconds of stun.
Shockwave - Assuming you have Glyph of Shockwave, the cooldown will be finished, and DR should** be as well, giving you another 4 seconds of stun.
Pummel - Pummel will be off CD again, and the DR will be finished, allowing you another 3 seconds of silence.
Concussion blow - Will be off cooldown, but affected by DR, allowing you 2.5 seconds more of stun.

All this adds up to a stunning (Pun intended) 34.5 seconds of downtime! Note that it's a better idea to open such a chain with Concussion Blow as opposed to Shockwave, as less stun time is lost from Shockwave being affected by DR than Concussion Blow, and you want to put CB on cooldown as soon as possible.

*I'm aware that Wowhead says Intercept and Charge only stun for 1 second. Both Wowpedia and my ingame experiences disagree with this.
**What I've read suggests that the DR counter is currently 18 seconds. If anyone could confirm/deny this, that would be much appreciated.

Comment by xanous

In 5.0 it is now a talent in the lvl 60 tier (along with Bladestorm and dragon Roar). Still an excellent choice for tanks, since it has the lowest cooldown and the stun effect helps reduce incoming damage. Seems to do a lot more damage now than in Cata.

Comment by Hairband

Nothing really useful to me to help decide what talents to pick for this tier so I thought I'd compose a brief compare/contrast of Shockwave and Dragon Roar for Mists:

Damage Done: Shockwave: 75/100x AP. Dragon Roar: 126 but, it's a crit 100% of the time (does this even make sense?)
Duration: Shockwave: 20 seconds. Dragon Roar: 60 seconds.
Area of Effect: Shockwave: Frontal Cone. Dragon Roar: 360 degrees.
Range: Shockwave: 10 yards. Dragon Roar: 8 yards.
Effect on target: Shockwave: stun for 4 seconds. Dragon Roar: stun and knockback for 3 seconds.
Other: Dragon Roar ignores all armor.

I haven't played with this but I think Shockwave is going to do more damage. Dragon Roar might be better for PVP because of the AoE being 360 and players hate being knocked back. Dragon Roar does have a benefit though tanking, because it may help the tank to see what mobs are being tanked. The visual knockback lets DPS see the range of aggro of the tank and hopefully will stay within that range if nothing's marked because of time.

PS just posted this for spell Dragon Roar.

Comment by RioMadafaka

Fus Ro Dah!

Comment by xXzCodProxXz

With all the stuns other classes recieve at lower levels(rogues/hunters and paladins), this needs to become a level 15 talent spec instead of 60

dont see how blizz put 2 stuns for hunters(intimidation and stun pet),paladins and rogues, yet low level warriors who already do not have enough abilties are gimped even more

wait...well i guess T-clap, Taunt, Sunder,victory rush and execute are very good (sarcasm intended)....waste of rage

but overpower/disarm/shockwave/hamstring, essentually the core abilities require level 35+....GG blizz
still funny how rogues get evasion at level 6......while overpower doesnt come until 30.You stand no chance basically as arms

Comment by SoooWhoCares

Not in the patch notes, not in the tooltip:
At least vs players this has a 10y knockback effect (PVP melee range).
*seriously annoyed*

I was checking, glyphs'n stuff because of that lack of documentation anywhere and am noticing all those hidden details everywhere and that sucks big time. I mean: Why even tooltips ?

Comment by Adunai

In HotS, Varian got an ability called Lion's Fang. I wondered why the warrior was given a seemingly magical spell, and I decided to read the description. "Create a shockwave that travels in a straight line, dealing damage and slowing enemies"... A shockwave! Of course! They made homage to Tauren Chieftain from WC3 and to this ability from WoW! They just called it Lion's Fang because Varian is the King of Stormwind, that's it!