A Legendary Undertaking - Helping Your Rogue Pick Up A Pair Of Fangs

By Pathal Updated: 2018/05/12

IntroductioncollectionQuick AnswersCan I collect quest items through LFR?Do I need to do anything before I can start the quest chain?Can I do the solo parts in a group with another rogue?moreCan I work on Cluster Clutch while another rogue in my guild is working on Sharpening Your Fangs?HoweverThis Isn't Flying...styleThe 3 Stages

Jaws of Retribution

Maw of Oblivion

Fangs of the Father

Main Hand

Fear

The Sleeper

Golad, Twilight of Aspects

Off Hand

Vengeance

The Dreamer

Tiriosh, Nightmare of Ages

Proc

Suffering

Nightmare

Shadows of the Destroyer

A Challenger Appears! - The Story Of Wrathion.successGetting Your Hands Dirty - The Quest LineAcquisition Rates

clusters per boss

bosses to complete
Cluster Clutch

bosses to complete
Sharpening Your Fangs

10 man

25 man

~1.9*

31.6

within a clusterStage 1 - Jaws of RetributionProving Your Worth

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Requirements - Done In Raid

Lord Devrestrasz

Acquire:
Cryptomancer's Decoder Ring

This is the very first quest in the chain, in order to start it you need to talk to Lord Afrasastrasz who is standing inside the Dragon Soul raid next to the entrance at the start of the raid lockout. However once you kill Morchok, he moves into the temple. Hagara is the fourth boss, and resides in the Eye of Eternity. You won't be able to get to Hagara without being in a raid that has the first 3 bosses, and only the first 3 bosses, down.

Pick pocketing Hagara the Stormbinder is a little more than walking up and asking her for the ring. To describe this, I should describe the trash gauntlet leading up to Hagara. Before Hagara descends upon your raid, she summons one or two portals that a group of trash will come out from, she does this several times until she drops from her platform to the center of the area and will probably start attacking the closest person, since people tend to stand to close the first time. You should work to DPS down the NPCs that spawn until Hagara is ready. If someone face pulls, pop vanish and grab some goodies, otherwise you can still easily enter stealth and walk up for the pick pocket. Grats! You're done with your first step of the quest line.

A Hidden Message

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Requirements - Done Solo

Lord Devrestrasz

Corastrasza

Purchase a Decoder Ring Charging
Solve the Cipher from Corastrasza

Upon returning to Lord Afrasastrasz, he will inform you of why you needed to pick pocket Hagara, and points you toward the Ethereals in Stormwind/Orgrimmar to get it charged quickly and discretely. This is clearly an individual who has never done shady business before. No way. Never.

Upon arriving at the Ethereals, you should find Thaumaturge Rafir / Thaumaturge Altha standing off to the side. They will have a couple of dialogs for you, and ultimately request 10k gold to start charging the ring over the next 12 hours. Should you decide that you would rather kill them while they sleep instead, they will pleasantly let you know that they no longer sleep, and refuse to charge your ring (until you pay up that is).

The next step in this quest is to fly to Corastrasza in Vermillion Redoubt, and get the cipher from her. You won't be able to decipher it until your ring has fully charged. You do not need to be logged in for the 12 hours so take your time, log out and get some fresh air, do some dailies, drink your ovaltine, get some sleep. After the 12 hours is up, you can decipher and turn in the quest to Corastrasza.

To Ravenholdt

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Requirements - Done Solo

Corastrasza

Mostrasz

Fly to Ravenholdt with Mostrasz

Corastrasza requests that you fly with Mostrasz to Ravenholdt Manor. I strongly recommend you talk to Mostrasz right next to the burrow entrance under the tree and fly with him, rather than fly alone. The red dragonflight encourages heavy use of the buddy system, and Mostrasz will be your friend in the next quest. Also, it's a requirement.

To Catch a Thief

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Requirements - Done Solo

Mostrasz

Wrathion

Find the missing egg

This is where things get tense. Ravenholdt Manor is no longer the Ravenholdt Manor you may remember. There are now dozens and dozens of highly alert level 85s who are hellbent on making sure no one gets inside the Manor. You will have to make heavy use of Sap and Distract (and hopefully not need Vanish), to get inside.

Upon starting the quest, you should first enter stealth. You will see a red circle appear underneath you, this circle represents your safe stealth range, since the range at which NPCs can see you is now bigger than normal. As an NPC gets closer to the edge of the red circle, they will turn and face you like an NPC would normally look towards you if you got too close. At this point you should realize that your Sap range is just beyond your red circle's radius. You should note that you can also Distract a target, allowing you to sneak past them while they are inside your danger zone. Be aware that Distract is not a free pass, and getting to close, or staying around for too long, will tip the NPC off to your presence.

You first start by going counter-clockwise around the area, by either stealthing up to the building and turning right, or staying along the edge of the surrounding hills. Once at the back outside of the manor, you will find rope on the ground, use it to scale up on top of the roof. You should now see a box stuck in the wall, use this to enter Ravenholdt Manor. You will find yourself standing at the top of the spire, stealth down the stairs to the second floor overlooking the table, you should see Fahrad pacing to your left. Look underneath you for patting NPCs to make sure none of them will be in your personal bubble when you drop down, once you're sure the area is clear, drop down and quickly run under the stairs and into the basement. If you enter combat make sure you vanish immediately and hurry down the stairs, there is still hope for you.

Should you succeed, you will be rewarded with a brief cut scene, and Wrathion will be ready for quest turn in after walking back upstairs to the table near Fahrad.

If you're feeling particularly masochistic, you can try and run through the front door with a Sap, a Distract, then immediately cast Sprint and Vanish (preferably with the glyphs) the moment a guard notices you (they most likely will). Mostrasz will pull you out in a couple seconds if a guard hits you, but if you're out of combat and make it into the basement to trigger the cut scene then the teleport script won't execute and you will successfully complete the quest. The odds of you completing the quest through the front door are noticeably worse than entering using the rope, but you are certainly welcome to try!

Our Man in Gilneas

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Requirements - Done Solo

Wrathion

Zazzo Twinklefingers

Talk to Zazzo

Wrathion wants you to meet up with a particular mage at Gilneas City, or what remains of the city. You will find Zazzo Twinklefingers waiting outside at (70.1, 40.7) in Gilneas, not within the city but just outside it.

Assassinate Creed

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Requirements - Done Solo

Zazzo Twinklefingers

Find and kill Creed

Being a mage, Zazzo is slightly incapable of stealthing all the way to Creed to help you. Despite being able to forcefully pull you out of the city, he apparently lacks the ability to be of any real help what so ever. But that's okay, because there are easy ways to get to, and kill, Creed.

Video of path 1C and 2B, another of 1B and 2B. The picture is not entirely to scale.

This quest is similar to To Catch a Thief, but takes significantly more effort to get through the stealth part. There are quite a few paths, but only a few decent ones. For unknown reasons, you will lose stealth in many sections of Gilneas City without notice, warning or information about why, therefore I recommend you try to follow one of these paths. I prefer path 1B (pink) and path 2B (dark green). Path 1C is quicker and easier than 1B, but only once you get a handle on being pulled out of stealth. Also of value, is the Charred Glyph which will make Vanish a little more useful in getting between certain groups.

Path 1A (Blue) - A little long, but it has an alcove to back into if you feel cornered, this will let you reset and re-analyze your environment. Take it one mob at a time, and save Distract for the group of three that walks back and forth near the set of awnings, wait until they're at the north side of the pat to do it. Move past, then sap the guy under the wood structure (past the guy sleeping). Get close to him, and wait for a pat to move in front of you, then back to the other side of the clearing.

If you feel cornered, try and back up into the open room near the sleeping guy. Otherwise, Move past the guy you sapped and follow the pat to the first dummy and take a right, stealth along the dummies to the end (blue dots are sap targets, blue lines are pat paths you want to avoid being in the way of), sap the loner on your left and proceed back east (to your left). Hug the tree ahead of you, and walk around the group to your right, to the stairs down. Be aware that the NPC walking above you on your right will lunge somewhat erratically, try to avoid him. Continue down the stairs, avoiding the 2 pats there, and jump into the stream to your right. Pause a moment for any cooldowns.

Path 1B (Pink) - Shorter than the blue one, but a specific dog can give you issues, specifically the one on your left as you sneak past the second building. The dog is much faster than you, and runs around the entire area you see in the picture, keep an eye out for him. The mobs are fairly straight forward, and when in doubt you should be able to take your time so long as you keep nearby pats sapped.

Path 1C (Salmon) - This is the only reasonable path that involves the river. You will have your stealth removed as you leave the water, and shortly after getting onto the stairs to your left, be prepared. This is a very quick path, but a high rate of failure. If you're Sub spec, you can skip the first sap by using Shadowstep on the guard walking on the stairs to your left (facing the NPC) and quickly sapping, this trivializes the hardest part of the path. Otherwise, you need to distract the far left sniper on the docks, with the pat on the far right of their area. Sap the sniper before Stealth falls off, and wait on the docks out of facepull range of the pat. Re-enter stealth and wait at the bottom of the stairs to your left for that pat to come down, Sap them and move up stairs quickly and prepare to Vanish if stealth falls off a second time. Stand towards the top of the stairs in stealth, make sure you can fit between the two groups at the top and move forward, you want to jump down onto the bridge and into the stream to the west of it (your right) quickly without aggroing anything.

Wait for Vanish to come off CD for this part if you used it. If you aggro something on the last few steps without Vanish up, don't panic, just sprint into Creed's area as fast as you can. You will most likely lose Eye of Zazzo and be ported out by Zazzo, but you should immediately mount up on a flying mount and fly to the entrance of where Creed is if the debuff is gone. Dismount and enter stealth high above the ground (without dying from fall damage ideally, you aren't screwed if you die, don't worry) to skip the stealth portion. If you delay, Eye of Zazzo will be reapplied eventually. This may be hotfixed in the future to behave differently.

Path 2A (Light Green) - Slowly follow the pat, watch your left for a hidden guard. Look ahead to the stairs up on the other side and look for another pat, make sure they aren't walking to a group you have to walk past (on your right). Distract that far group away from you, Sprint forwards and Vanish. Target the right most guard standing on the stairs and sap them as you run up. Vanish should be wearing off right about then. Skip to the End Path section from here.

Path 2B (Dark Green) - Highly similar to the light green path, but the group you need to Distract should include the group of 4 to your left, and the 3 standing by the door. After the Distract has landed, Sprint, Sap the far right guard on the steps. If you're having issues squeezing between the two groups and staying near the tree, try Vanish. Read the End Path part below to finish this off.

End Path - Move forwards a little and collect yourself, there are still pats nearby. When the coast is clear, walk clockwise around the group of guards in front of you, Sap/Distract whichever guard in front of you after that and move forwards past them. On your right you will see a clearing with Creed. Walk into it and Zazzo will stop protecting you. If you die to Creed, you don't have to stealth through all the guards again, just go through the walk of shame.
Creed has 1,859,760 health, and has two phases. For various reasons, Combat handles the various mechanics the best. He is susceptible to all forms of CC: incapacitates, disarms, snares, interrupts, etc with the exception of kicking Consuming Darkness. If you see another rogue working on the quest, know that you do not need to be in a group with them to qualify for credit, you don't even need to be on the same faction to get credit for the kill. To get a feeling for what the fight looks like, here is an example from a Sub rogue PoV.

Phase 1 lasts until 75% health:
- Consuming Darkness - Spawns a short range AOE underneath the player. Should be moved out of as soon as the cast starts to reduce damage taken. Can not be kicked, but Creed can still be stunned and incapacitated while this is being cast.
- Blackhowl's Will - A strong ranged attack that eliminates your energy. This cast should be interrupted by any means. I save Cloak for this if he casts it while I'm still kiting and can't get back.
- Blackhowl's Rage - Cast whenever you use smoke bomb at range. I recommend you don't use Smoke Bomb at any point in the fight. (Source)

In phase 2, he adds another spell to his repertoire:
- Shadow Breath > Shadow Breath - This is a negligible ability, and only requires the player to move behind Creed. Creed will not turn while channelling the second part of the cast, which allows the player to take no damage if they move, and allows the player to deal some easy damage too. Do not waste a stun or interrupt on this cast, just move. Don't use Killing Spree or Shadowstep while this is being channeled, you will probably take AOE damage.

Throughout the encounter Creed will cast Consuming Darkness which spawns an AOE under you, while peppering a few Blackhowl's Will and Shadow Breath in. It's important to move him out of the void zones, and fight outside them. Make heavy use of Gouge and Kidney Shot and Creed will be locked down too much to out-DPS your Recuperate. If you're confident that the enrage won't be an issue, wait out your blind for the sake of your cooldowns despite not gaining health. While he is pretty easy, he can still catch people off guard. Save most of your CDs for P2, I recommend starting phase 2 with , and leaving Evasion for the last 20%.

There are several utility glyphs that you would typically skip in PvE that can be of use here, make note of Charred Glyph, Charred Glyph, Charred Glyph. There are also several utility talents that are fairly strong during this. If you find yourself running into issues, try grabbing talents like Elusiveness, , or if you don't have them already, however don't feel limited to just these if you find yourself having issues. If you find yourself running into issues with diminishing returns, back off. Gouge and Kidney Shot should be used often, but on CD is just too often.

It's important to note what this fight involves, while you will try and CC Creed as much as possible, there are some issues that arise simply because you're fighting an AI unit 1v1. For example, you lose a significant chunk of time to be behind the target for to kick in, you also lose the ability to Backstab and Ambush for most of the fight as Sub. Creed can be killed by any spec, but this fight does appear to favor Combat for various reasons, and Combat is definitely recommended.

The Deed is Done

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Requirements - Done Solo

Zazzo Twinklefingers

Wrathion

Return to Wrathion

Zazzo is done with you for now, return to Wrathion to claim your prize, the stage 1 daggers.

Despite portals being the second most common use for mages (the first being a vending machine, obviously), Zazzo will not port you back to Ravenholdt. Enjoy the scenic flight on your choice of one of your hard earned mounts through vast emptiness of Gilneas, as you sit there giddy with excitement.

Stage 2 - Maw of OblivionCluster Clutch

Start

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Requirements - Done in Raid

Wrathion

Acquire:
Shadowy Gemx333

It's time to venture back into Dragon Soul. Being a rogue, you are clearly in this raid for your battle rezes and raid utility. It's time to make the rest of the raid group pay up with 333 Shadowy Gems that are looted from Elementium Gem Clusters. The Elementium Gem Clusters drop off each raid boss, and are acquired the same was as items normally are with your loot system (Master Looter, Free-for-All, etc). See the acquisition rates section for more info.

If you complete this quest with more clusters than you needed, the remaining clusters will stay in your bags.

Our Man in Karazhan

Start

End

Requirements - Done Solo

Wrathion

Zazzo Twinklefingers

Talk to Zazzo

Zazzo is at it again, except this time he's in the ruins of... Karazhan. You will find Zazzo just outside the the ruins, and he will point you to the Master's Cellar, however just like Gilneas he will go no further.

Blood of the Betrayer

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Requirements - Done Solo

Zazzo Twinklefingers

Find and kill Nalice

This quest follows the same basic structure as Assassinate Creed. You will have to stealth to a specific member of the Black Dragonflight, kill them, and let Zazzo sit back looking pretty.

Video of reaching Nalice.

Before going down into the cellar, you first must get to the stairs. The easiest way is to run counter-clockwise the long way around everything. It's an easy run. You should know that there are two different, mutually exclusive sections to the Master's Cellar. By running the long and easy route, you will encounter the wrong stairs first. You want the eastern set of stairs that are across the road (note that the picture above shows South on the top). You will need a Distract to get into the basement, and should slowly go down the hall sapping as you go. Your goal is to get into the recession in the middle of the floor that has a single dragonkin patting inside it. Get inside and keep that Dragonkin sapped while you're in there.

Take a look to the south (most likely towards your right). There should be a support beam that has fallen over and two dragonkins that stand a bit in front of it. Look for a pat that circles a group of mobs in front of you, and one behind that group that walks from one side of the room to the other. Wait until both moving mobs are on your far right, Distract them and quickly move between the two groups and sap the left Dragonkin, you then need to progress slowly down the hall.

You will first see a patrol moving left and right, sap them on the left side of their patrol and slowly approach the arcane device in front of you. You will need to get very close to NPCs around it, so edge in slowly. Right click on the device to sabotage it, if you get lucky with your timing, you can destroy one (or both) of the elemental creatures on the right side of the hall. Distract the white elementals towards the fallen pillar, and quickly approach the next one. Repeat this to destroy the next group of NPCs, and back up so the elemental doesn't ambush you. Once destroyed, you can either Vanish/Sprint through the last group on the right, or Sap and move between the groups.
Video of killing Nalice, Combat perspective. Another as Combat, courtesy of Kimera Gaming.

Nalice is a 3 phase fight, has roughly 3.1 million health, and is handled the easiest as Combat. First phase is mostly simple CC and DPS, it plays somewhat similar to Creed, and she is susceptible to essentially all forms of CC again. Phase 2 involves a quick sprint across the room or you die. Phase 3 is just Phase 1 with a new spell, and starts right after you disrupt Arcane Destruction a second time. Nalice enters phase 2 every 33%, which means you go from P1 > P2 > P1 > P2 > P3.

Phase 1:
- Arcane Infused Armor - Greatly reduces damage taken. Just use Expose Armor, with whatever CP's you have, to remove the buff. This spell will remove any pre-existing Expose Armor debuffs.
- Arcane Infused Weapon - Deals additional arcane damage with each white swing. Use Kidney Shot as the cast ends, or at least Dismantle if Kidney Shot is still on CD.
- Arcane Missiles - Can be cloaked or interrupted.
- Enrage - Increases the damage dealt by Nalice, should be Shived off.
- Sated - Increases the damage Nalice takes. Triggered whenever you shiv off the enrage.
Phase 2:
- Arcane Shield - Cast as soon as P2 begins, drops off when P2 ends. Prevents any/all damage taken. This spell can be cast while Nalice is stunned, don't waste CPs and energy on a stun right before 66, and 33%.
- Arcane Power - You gain one stack of this each time you disrupt an arcane device in phase 2. The buff lasts 30 seconds.
- Arcane Destruction - Cast during P2, at the end of the cast it deals deadly AOE damage if not interrupted by right clicking both channeling devices.
Phase 3 (In addition to the P1 spells):
- Blazing Shadows - Leaves a shadow damage area underneath you every second for several seconds. Run out of it and try to leave the shadow zones in an organized fashion, Nalice will follow you but not take any damage from it.

P1 is, again, fairly similar to Creed and favors Combat spec. Just DPS down Nalice, while trying to mitigate as much damage as possible. I found saving Kidney Shot for Arcane Infused Weapon was extremely helpful. All her buffs from casts are applied at the start of the cast, so stopping any casts other than Arcane Missiles (which can be kicked) is pointless on this fight. Gouge can be used fairly liberally, just don't overdo it with diminishing returns.

P2 however is different. At the start of P2 you will be teleported to one side of the room, on the opposite side of the room will be two arcane devices being channeled into by Nalice. You need to immediately Sprint to them, as you have 20 seconds or you die. Keep up Recuperate, and right click on the devices to disrupt them. With each device you disrupt, you gain Arcane Power for 30 seconds that increases energy generation by 50% per stack. This becomes a little harder when you notice there are spots on the ground in a pattern that will deal AOE arcane damage to you if you stand over them. Try to avoid these, but getting to the devices is far more important. You should have ample time to run straight in the direction of the device, and then diagonally to prevent one from exploding on you.

Phase 3 goes back to the same tactics as Phase 1. Whenever you get Blazing Shadows, just move out of the area. Try to keep it organized, spreading the shadows everywhere makes it harder in the long run since they stay on the ground for awhile. All the shadow zones will despawn when you kill Nalice, however the the debuff from Blazing Shadows will remain if you kill Nalice with it on you. Make sure you avoid standing near Nalice until it expires, then go and loot once it drops off. This seems like a bug, and could be changed to behave differently in the future.

Zazzo will teleport you out once you have looted the vial.

Victory in the Depths

Start

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Requirements - Done Solo

Zazzo Twinklefingers

Wrathion

Return to Wrathion with the vial and your daggers

Having done something to the vial, Zazzo tells you that it's time to head back to Wrathion. Wrathion is ever so pleased to hear that you've assassinated yet another person, he will award you with the stage 2 daggers.

Stage 3 - Fangs of the FatherSharpening Your Fangs

Start

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Requirements - Done in Raid

Wrathion

Acquire: Elementium Gem Clusterx60

Fortunately for you, you're on the last leg of the journey. Wrathion needs another 60 clusters from the bosses in Dragon Soul to continue work on your daggers now. Go back into Dragon Soul and hack away, you're almost there.

Patricide

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Requirements - Done in Raid

Wrathion

Kill Deathwing.
Bring the Fragment of Deathwing's Jaw to Wrathion

The last request from Wrathion is a piece of Deathwing himself. Destroy Deathwing in the Maelstrom, and reclaim a piece of his jaw for Wrathion as proof. If your loot system isn't able to give you the jaw fragment, open up the chest yourself to try and grab it.

You should be able to complete this on normal or heroic difficulty. Should you succeed, you will be rewarded with the final stage of the daggers, and an interesting cut scene, it's a surprise!

Handling the ProcKilling SpreeFury of the DestroyerAdrenaline RushFury of the DestroyerFind WeaknessAmbushChangelogboggartschereNote from the AuthorEJwhisper in game

Comments

Comment by tenaka

Holy crap.

10k and abit of fun, and you have your stage one epic already.

Makes a mockery of Dragonwrath especially given guilds that still find Raggy hit or miss are walking over Deathwing on day one.

Comment by Nyarlatoteph

Awesome guide Pathal, thanks for the write-up!

Comment by 918742

Great guide. Can anyone tell me if the daggers loose gems/enchants when they transition from phase 1 to 2 to 3?

Comment by keyur

Best guild and thumbs up for your efforts

Comment by Teentje

Thumbs up dude, a real good job ^^

Comment by 845330

Awesome guide, thanks for the taking the time to put this together.

For the stealth game to Creed - if you want to try the river route, the best way to do it seems to be to ignore the docks entirely.

I made a sub spec just for the stealth game, and switched to my Combat spec to fight Creed. Creed won't care if you're in the corner of his little room switching specs, swapping gear, or making faces at him, so feel free to prepare before the fight. With sub, you can skip the docks and instasap the pat on the stairs, and not drop stealth:

Swim over to the base of the stairs, next to it about maybe 1/4 up. Stay in the water.
Target the guard that paths up and down the stairs. Stay out of range of the sniper / pat on the docks themselves.
When the stair pat is about 3/4 down, or as soon as he's in range, Shadowstep to him. Sap immediately.

You will teleport out of the water and get the sap off, and I never destealthed doing this. More, since you got him facing down, he will finish the pat downstairs before coming back up. You can always resap, but if you're already moving ahead it keeps him away from the top a little bit longer.

Comment by 567189

Great Guide, thanks!

Also worth teaming up with other Rogues in the area when going to Kill Creed, I'm sure there'll be a few of them about for a while still :)

Now to collect all those Shadowy Gems...

Comment by teez

Anyone else start uncontrollably mashing F9 hoping they'd have implemented a quicksave during this? Jesus christ...

Comment by helmates

I just spoke to a GM in game after reporting what I thought was a nasty bug with Vanish when used during the sneaky-bit-before-Creed. I was informed that Vanish is not an ability that we should be using in that part of the quest. Of course, reasons could not be given, because this is a legendary quest and they are not allowed to give away any clues.

I did not ask, but I suspect that Vanish is allowed during the Creed fight itself, if for some reason you need to reset him.

Also, for the bit about sneaking into Ravenholdt Manor for the very first time ... you do not have to exit the mouth of the cave, as many people would expect. There is another way to get to the end objective that skips a load of guards. I initially reported this as an exploit, but was advised by the same GM that it is not, and that it is an intended alternate (presumably for truly crafty and creative players).

Comment by Iroared

For Assassinate Creed, with a sub spec, it's possible to simply ride south to the other bridge, and distract/shadowstep across the entire army of mobs guarding it. Another shadowstep/sap to one of the patrolling mobs and you're there. Granted, its harder to pull off, but its by far the fastest route.
There was a video of it somewhere, I'll link if I find it.

Comment by 926019

290 gems in 4,5 IDs next ID Stage2 iam coming :)

Comment by 812444

Awsome guide m8, tks a lot for the intel helped me a lot, now moving on to stage 2 :)

Comment by 894448

Thanks a lot for the Nalice video Pathal. It will be very helpful.

By the way about the ending cutscene of Patricide, have you seen it? Any link/info for those of us who don't mind being spoiled?

Comment by Kimera666

Here my fight with Nalice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Y6-XsLRHQ

Comment by 743301

Killing Creed is approximately 5 million times easier in Combat than Assassination. Roughly.

Comment by CAXAPrus

Summarizing total cost by gold, time consumption and access requirements:

Stage 1 daggers
1) Pick pocketing Hagara (3rd) boss (in a normal or heroic mode)
2) 10k gold
done.

Stage 2 daggers
3) Getting 333 gems ( at least 7 weeks of 100% attendance raiding in a 10 man mode
or 4 weeks of 100% raiding attendance rainding in 25 mode, if you get loot from all 8 bosses each week)
done.

Legendary daggers (final stage)
4) Getting 60 clusters ( at least 7.5 weeks of raiding 10 ppl or 4 weeks in 25 ppl, if you get loot from all 8 bosses each week)
5) Getting Fragment of Deathwing's Jaw (loot quest item from 8th boss)

If its correct, then it looks like it is MUCH EASIER to get, than the Shadowmourne from ICC.
25 orbs - each costs >1k gold at ICC patch beginning (if you buy by yourself) - more that 25k gold
alot of gold needed in quests,
40 shards, that you farm like 2+ months in normal mode
and crazy amount (like over 1000) of ICC trash kills, (sorry, for not remembering exactly)

Thats how it look for casual player point of view :)

Edit:
Confirmed by this guide

Comment by Kimera666

Spilers

Final cinematic from the quest line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuUKZjZT3o&feature=youtu.be

I like to tank Pathal for an awesome guide, I got my daggers today and I have to say this guide was really helpful.

Comment by 957182

Here is how I handled the Nalice fight as an Assassination Rogue.

- First, an attitude note: the Nalice fight is not about rotations or even really about DPS at all. It is about patience and survival. It is about restraining the urge to blow every combo point as soon as you get it, and save them for your important moves in the fight. This runs slightly contrary to many Rogues' usual way of thinking, but once you make that mental adjustment, the fight becomes much easier.

- For talents, I actually used what is normally my PVP build. It includes 2 points Deadly Brew (keeping Nalice slowed so I can run away as needed), 3 points Deadened Nerves and 2 points Improved Recuperate (healing and damage resistance). For buffs, I had a Flask of the Winds and a Skewered Eel food buff. I had Instant Poison main hand, Deadly off hand, Deadly on ranged in case I needed to run away and kite her a bit.

- I opened the fight from behind with Garotte. In P1, I mostly stayed in Nalice's grill, spammed Mutilate to build combo points, and Shiv'd as needed for Enrage. I did not use S&D or Envenom; I kept Rupture and Recuperate up, and saved my combo points for Cheap Shot (to stop Arcane Infused Weapon) and Expose Armor (to drop her shield). I also kicked her Arcane Missiles when I could, but they didn't do much damage, so that could be optional. My DPS was all autoattacks, Mutilate, Rupture and poisons; I just focused on staying alive and whittled her down. My health got critically low only once; I handled that by using my damage reduction cooldowns, running away and letting Nalice slowly chase me around while I healed up with Recuperate and a healing pot. Beyond that, I used very few cooldowns at all.

- In P2, I simply ran to the posts and clicked. It was actually much easier than it sounded in the above guide; with Quickening, I didn't even have to Sprint. There was an easy path right along the wall to run from the first post to the second.

- In P3, I positioned near one of the walls and fought like P1 until the Blazing debuff came out. I ran along the walls until it wore off, so that the fire was along the walls and I still had plenty of room to move around. She dropped before the second Blazing debuff, but I had plenty of space left to avoid it if needed.

All in all, it was a very in-your-face, yet very restrained fight. Like I said, it's not about DPS.

Hope this helps somebody.

Comment by 567189

I completed the 2nd stage of this yesterday, it's a little easier than the first stage I thought too... but still good fun!

Couple of comments, on this good guide.

If you complete this quest with more clusters than you needed, the remaining clusters will stay in your bags.

Take Note. Once you have your 333 Shadowy Gems do not open any more Clusters. I opened an extra couple of Clusters by mistake and the GM's were not forgiving on this Error, Bah.

the Distract them image does not show the mobs to the left side handing around the device. Check the video, which does show them... so you know you're in the right place. Just a shame I only watched that today :)

Thanks again for the good guide, has helped me a lot and I'm now enjoying my Maw of Oblivion set.

Comment by sildani

I'll add something I don't think has been mentioned here. Using Mind Numbing on MH and Crippling on OH (may not matter which poison is on which hand) helped me a lot.

Also, respeccing to Imp Recuperate, Imp Kick, Blade Twisting and Quickening (from the Assassination tree) helped a ton. But the poison choice gave me the option to kite her during arcane infusion, freeing me to use Kidney Shot at will (or keeping Recuperate rolling).

Fantastic fight. I wonder if there is a way to re-do it once it's done (for the challenge).

Comment by Kidcriticus

Just curious i have never done any of this quest. I'm completely ignorant to its workings.
I read a section about sneaking and so on and so forth until you reach a certain person or point.
Im curious could you be summoned by a warlock to a certain point and escape all the sneaking ?

Comment by 894448

Finally finished this yesterday (10m is slow). Thanks again Pathal for this very useful and accurate guide.

Comment by 972623

It may have been suggested already, but if you are having trouble, get Enchant Weapon - Mending on one of your weapons. I had been consistently getting Creed to 10% health before he killed me. Having some extra healing from Mending (as well as a Flask of Winds) really helped me finally take him down. I hope that a similar strategy will work on Nalice too.

Comment by bateh

"intrUduction"? I LOLd.

Comment by 1030748

OK i am having a hard time getting the first quest in this line done (Proving your worth). I guess it cannot be done if u use the LFR. Only the old fashioned way of getting a raid group together. is this accurate?
if there is another rogue in the group can both get the ring or is it one and done?

Comment by daleeyy

Can anyone tell me how long this will take aproximiately?

Comment by roronoaBH

for those of you doing this at 90. (or finishing this at 90) this will take you between 13 and 20 weeks as the number of shadowy gems per cluster ranges from 4-9 per cluster. At 90 you shouldn't have any issues downing the quest bosses or DS for that matter so really you should only have problems with the stealth part of the quests.

*Note: This must be done via Normal/Heroic Dragon Soul runs not LFR. But DS and the other cataclysm raids are cross-realmable (doubt that is a word) so shouldn't be too hard to get a group together since you only need a couple 90s to clear it in about an hour.

Total ETA: 18-25 hours total gameplay @ 90

Comment by Felweed

As a level 90 rogue, I had no trouble sneaking through to Nalice. I probably could have simply just killed all the NPCs. Too easy.

Comment by 1457847

"Blizzard has broken the mold with these Legendaries and they massively open up the possibilities for what could be in store for future expansions"

few years later...

Comment by 1200656

Hello

I didnt notice this being answered so i thought id ask... How many times do u have to run dragon soul? (ofc there isnt an precise answer but just all around i mean..)

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