Rogue Cataclysm Talent Changes Rundown

Posted 2010/06/10 at 12:17 AM by Malgayne

Roguethis is a preview.

Talent Calculator: http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#f

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(3 points) - Unchanged.

(2 points) - Changed!
Cataclysm: After killing an opponent that yields experience or honor, gives you receive a 20/40% increased critical strike chance on your next ability. Lasts 20 seconds.

Current: After killing an opponent that yields experience or honor, gives you a 20/40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Hemorrhage, Backstab, Mutilate, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.

Unchanged.Tier 2

Ruthlessness (3 points) - Unchanged.

(2 points) - Removed!
Current: Increases the damage caused by your Garrote and Rupture abilities by 15/30%.

New!

Cataclysm: Requires 2 points in Remorseless Attacks. After killing an opponent that yields experience or honor, Deadly Momentum gives you a 50/100% chance to refresh your Slice and Dice or Recuperate abilities to their original duration.

New!

Cataclysm: Even after your Sap wears off, its effects linger on enemies, reducing their damage done by 25/50% for 5 seconds.

Tier 3

(3 points) - Moved from Tier 2.

Vigor (1 point) - Unchanged.

(2 points) - Removed!

Tier 4

(3 points) - Unchanged.

Improved Poisons (5 points) - Unchanged.

Fleet Footed (2 points) - Unchanged.

(1 point) - Changed!
Cataclysm: When activated, generates 25 Energy and increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%.

Current: When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%.

Unchanged.Unchanged.Tier 6

(5 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Moved from Tier 7.

(2 points) - Removed!

Tier 7

Deadly Brew (2 points) - Unchanged.

Overkill (1 point) - Unchanged.

Improved Expose Armor (3 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Gives a 33/67/100% chance to refund all combo points used when performing your Expose Armor ability.

Tier 8

(3 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Removed!

Murderous Intent (3 points) - New!
Cataclysm: When you Backstab an enemy that is at or below 35% health, you instantly recover 10/20/30 Energy.

Tier 9

(3 points) - Unchanged.

(1 point) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Unchanged.

Tier 10

(5 points) - Unchanged.

Venomous Wounds (3 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Each time your Rupture or Garrote deals damage to an enemy that is afflicted with your poison, you have a 15/30/45% chance to deal with 616/619/621 additional Nature damage.

Tier 11

(1 point) - Removed!

Vendetta (1 point) - New!
Cataclysm: Marks an enemy for death, increasing all damage you deal to the target by 20% and granting you unerring vision of your target, regardless of concealments such as Stealth and Invisibility. Lasts 30 seconds.

Tier 1

(5 points) - Changed!
Cataclysm: Increases the damage dealt by your Sinister Strike ability by 1/2/3/4/5% and reduces its Energy cost by 1/2/3/4/5.

Current: Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 3/5.

Unchanged.Tier 2

Improved Recuperate (2 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Causes your Recuperate ability to restore an additional 1/2% of your maximum health.

Unchanged.Unchanged.Tier 3

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(1 point) - Unchanged.

(5 points) - Moved from Tier 4.

(5 points) - Removed!

Tier 4

(2 points) - Moved from Tier 2.

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Unchanged.

Tier 5

(5 points) - Removed!

Blade Flurry (1 point) - Unchanged.

(5 points) - Removed!

Reinforced Leather (5 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Increases your armor contribution from cloth and leather items by 10/20/30/40/50%.

Tier 6

(2 points) - Moved from Tier 3.

(2 points) - Unchanged.

Tier 7

Combat Potency (3 points) - Unchanged.

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Moved from Tier 1.

Tier 8

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(5 points) - Unchanged.

Tier 9

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(1 points) - Unchanged.

(2 points) - Unchanged.

Sturdy Recuperation (2 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Reduces all damage taken by 4/8% while your Recuperate ability is active.

Tier 10

(5 points) - Unchanged.

Restless Blades (3 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Your damage finishing moves reduce the cooldown of your Blade Flurry, Killing Spree, and Sprint abilities by 0.5/1/1.5 second per combo point.

Tier 11

Killing Spree (1 point) - Unchanged.

Tier 1

(5 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Removed!

(2 points) - Moved from Tier 4.

Tier 2

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Moved from Tier 1.

Tier 3

(3 points) - Moved from Tier 4.

(1 point) - Removed!

Hemorrhage (1 point) - Moved from Tier 5.

Tier 4

(2 points) - Moved from Tier 3.

Dagger Specialization (5 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers by 1/2/3/4/5%.

Removed!New!

Cataclysm: Empowers your Recuperate ability, causing its periodic effect to also restore 1/2/3 Energy.

Tier 5

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(1 point) - Unchanged.

(2 points) - Unchanged.

Tier 6

Master of Subtlety (3 points) - Unchanged.

(5 points) - Unchanged.

Tier 7

(3 points) - Unchanged.

(1 point) - Unchanged.

Blood Spatter (2 points) - New!
Cataclysm: Increases the damage caused by your Garrote and Rupture abilities by 15/30%.

Cheat DeathUnchanged.Tier 8

(2 points) - Unchanged.

(5 points) - Unchanged.

Tier 9

(3 points) - Redesigned!
Cataclysm: Increases the ranged and melee critical hit chance of all party and raid members by 5%. When any player in your party or raid critically hits with a ranged or melee ability, you have a 33/66/100% chance to gain a combo point on your current target. This effect cannot occur more than once every 4/32/2 seconds.

Current: When anyone in your group critically hits with a damage or healing spell or ability, you have a 33/66/100% chance to gain a combo point on your current target. This effect cannot occur more than once every second.

ShadowstepUnchanged.New!

Cataclysm: Requires 2 points in Blood Spatter. Increases your damage dealt to targets with a bleed effect on them by 2/4/6%.

Unchanged.Tier 10

(5 points) - Unchanged.

(3 points) - Redesigned! Moved from Tier 3.

Cataclysm: Your Eviscerate has a 4/8/12% chance per combo point to refresh your Rupture on the target to its original duration.

Current: Causes your attacks to ignore up to 3/6/9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 10/20/30%

Tier 11

(1 point) - Unchanged.

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Comment by 237563This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by MarioMetroidSome errors

Quick Recovery was changed. Currently it refunds 40/80% of the energy of a missed finishing move + +10/20% healing. In Cata it is just +10/20% healing

Opportunity was changed that it will be +10/20/30% dmg to ambush, garrote, backstab, and mutilate. (It is currently 10/20%).

Typo in Honor Among Thieves "This effect cannot occur more than once every 4/32/2 seconds." (should be 4/3/2)Comment by 612185This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by 05K4RTypo on the Subtlety tree on Honor Among Thieves:

Cataclysm: Increases the ranged and melee critical hit chance of all party and raid members by 5%. When any player in your party or raid critically hits with a ranged or melee ability, you have a 33/66/100% chance to gain a combo point on your current target. This effect cannot occur more than once every 4/32/2 seconds.Comment by 193698Wait, that vendetta sounds pretty overpowered in pvp, if you ask me :oComment by 391919This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by 582040This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by 609609This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by CaperonI don't like most of these changes. Half the changes are just moving crap around that should've been moved and the other half is making up useless crap. Compared to the other released trees I say we have been given the short stick yet again. Hopefully 80-90% of this is not going to see the light of release day. As always: This is a preview. All of this is subject to change in the future, so don't get too attached.Comment by 609609This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by Coldkil As always: This is a preview. All of this is subject to change in the future, so don't get too attached.http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#f0eMhegoV0oIuVuV0xZx0chttp://cata.wowhead.com/talent#fhe00xZE0gVruMdu0czbeoxhttp://cata.wowhead.com/talent#fhLZV0xZxbszhgzfxR0esiuComment by CaperonPlease, but please don't post pve subtlety builds.
Before you know it you'll start a chainreaction of niblets asking for one.Comment by Coldkili know, but with all the buffs sublety is receiving at least we can try something. at max i've spent 100gold on it :P

after every build i've wwritten my thoughts about, but it's to soon to make comparisons/theorycrafting.Comment by 473253- assasination: http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#f0eMhegoV0oIuVuV0xZx0c left 4 points as fillers.
much similar to current, ofc 5% hit is a must. got blackjack cause it's useful in CC pulls, murderous intent become the "execute" of rogues. (more pvp feeling, but i needed points to go down in the tree).
melee haste in combat seems unreachable.Comment by Caperon^
What?Comment by Coldkil
My tree is similar, except that I didn't take Venomous Wounds but instead went for Imp Ambush and Hemo in the sub tree. Seeing as how you no longer need Rupture/Garrote to be able to activate HfB, and I don't use those attacks for any other reason, I reckoned it'd be nicer to go for Hemo. I already use daggers for Muti, so Hemo should do a nice bit of damage if I don't have enough energy for Muti.Comment by 473253rupture will return in the cycles (nerf poison dmg, buff ability damage) and i'm pretty sure the nature damage will be affected by assasination mastery.Comment by Coldkil
So the proc chance on a bit of nature damage is good enough to make it worthwhile to use Rupture in the rotation and spend 3 talent points on it? I'm no theorycrafter, but so far it sounds a bit steep to me for something that doesn't even have a 100% chance.

But indeed, if Rupture will stay then it's no use going for Hemo. I just wish it wouldn't, I hate having to keep it up at the cost of using Envenom.Comment by Blackboy0

Vendetta (1 point) - New!
Cataclysm: Marks an enemy for death, increasing all damage you deal to the target by 20% and granting you unerring vision of your target, regardless of concealments such as Stealth and Invisibility. Lasts 30 seconds.

HuntersHunger for BloodComment by 614604This post was from a user who has deleted their account.

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