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Along with smooth energy regeneration and if timed right it will be:

Cheap shot ............: Mutilate: ..........: build time.: ~ 4-5CP KS ....................:
1 second+gcd........: 2 seconds+gcd..: 3 seconds: ~ 4 seconds(end of CS stun):
(-50+10)60 energy...: (-50+10) 20........: 30 energy: ~ (-15+10) 25 energy..........:

That's 3 abilities in those 6 seconds that are 10 less each, essentially saving you 30 energy (half a mutilate). Before they come out of the KS (9-10 seconds total stun) you should at least have gotten another mutilate in. Possibly an envenom / eviscerate after that. With semi decent gear a mob your level will be dead or near dead.

Rinse. Repeat on next mob.
(Rinsing is really not necessary since the mob probably did not touch you.)
(Rinsing may be a matter of health and / or cleanliness due to all of your opponents' blood on your hands.)

Edit: Bad alignment.

評論來自 audiogarden21

Deathadder99 said:

Its not THAT good, especially for a 31 pt talent.

On the contrary my friend. With the change to energy and mana regen mechanics, this talent bridges the gap between the new mechanics, and the old mechanics.

Previously, a Rogue could time his strike right before an energy tick, and effectively get 20 energy right after his/her chosen opener.

With the change to the energy ticks, it constantly regenerates at 1 energy per 0.1 seconds, or 10 energy per second, or 20 energy every 2 seconds, which is exactly the same as the values with the previous mechanic.

The reason they changed the mechanics, was due to the fact that often times a Rogue would be at 39 energy, and had to wait for 2 seconds before being able to use Sinister Strike, which required 40 energy with Improved Sinister Strike, which is highly inefficient in a long battle. Of course it doesn't matter so much in a short, burst fight. But over time, that's a lot of time wasted on nothing but white auto hits, no special abilities, as 2 seconds adds up. Of course this issue happened with more than just Sinister Strike, so I'm just using that as an example.

Since the change of the mechanic left a lot of Rogue's unhappy due to the fact that they couldn't get that extra 20 energy after the opener, Blizzard had to do something to appease the masses.

Now, with Overkill, you save 20 energy for 6 seconds, effectively giving you that 20 extra energy that you lost from the change to the mechanics. This is the reason it is a 31 point talent, and not higher in the tree, so that Combat and Subtlety can get their hands on it. Coupled with Vigor, you're looking at a nice fix to the change of the regen mechanics.

Think of this talent giving you 120 energy for the first 6 seconds of a fight as an Assassination Rogue, since most Rogue's will open with Cheap Shot in PvP, which requires 60 energy, that's:

Starting with 110 energy (with Vigor):

Cheap Shot - 60-10 = 50 energy on the opener.

This leaves you with 60 energy.

Followed by

Mutilate - 60- 10 = 50 energy, again.

Now you have 10 energy left. In the time it takes for you to Cheap Shot > Mutilate, at least 3 seconds have gone by due to the GCD, so that's 30 more energy, giving you a total of 40 energy. The ability itself lasts 6 seconds, that means that you still have 10 more energy reduction to harness, 1 more seconds time and you should have enough to do 1 more Mutilate before the talent wears off.

You save 30 energy in this time span, and in 6 seconds, you gain 60 energy, for a grand total of 90 energy in 6 seconds, where as you would have to wait 9 seconds to gain the same amount of energy, effectively saving you time as well. That is an excellent gain in my opinion.

評論來自 143611

cheap shot, wait for poison, mutilate, as cs fades kidney shot... if we had Relentless Strikes (why the f does it requires 5 talent points now?:D) we can muti once again during the 6s buff and after next 5s (last second of ks) we can muti once more...

評論來自 223989

starting with full energy:
cheap shot -30,
hemorrhage -25 -25(if the first one is a crit, you might save up the second for after the finisher),
sunder armor -5 (might add another finisher in here, but in pvp almost anyone pops his/her trinket the moment you decide to kidney shot right after a cheap shot, giving you an effective loss of 5 combo points which i'd really like to abuse within these 6 seconds of overkill),
hemorrhage -25 -25 -25,
end of your first 6 seconds

Let me get this straight:
You want to do 7 moves that each have a global cooldown of 1 second in..............6 seconds?
Omg lol....Good luck with that!

評論來自 desperat

with the right talent combo you can gain 20energy by using expose armor
cheapshot(4sec stun) -> mutilate(4-5cp) -> exposearmor(-2600armor on target,+20energy for yourself) -> mutilate (3-4cp) -> kidneyshot (4-5sec stun)

this is what i do at the moment, it will leave you at 0energy after kidney shot but thats were thistle tea becomes usefell ;)

評論來自 1771

U get sapped > talent lost.

評論來自 126853

Um? Are you mental?

Cheap Shot. Overkill effect lasts 6 more seconds. Which means that you have six global cooldowns to use before the effect ends. Which for simplicity sake, say you use shiv.

0 seconds in combat : You Cheap Shot. Time starts.
1: You shiv.
2: You shiv.
3: You shiv.
4: You shiv.
5: You shiv.
6: You eviscerate.
7: Overkill ends.

Total numbers of moves used with 6 global cooldowns, and in six seconds: 7.

You did the classic mistake, and acted as if you had to wait one second before doing cheap shot after leaving stealth. You counted 7 moves and thought "lawl that's 7 seconds", but the first move doesn't have the one second counter on it.

/pat

@audiogarden

Cheap Shot --> Mutilate.

Why do you say it takes 3 seconds? It takes one second.

You open, one second passes for global cooldown, mutilate. Rogues only have a one second cooldown, and that's only one cooldown, not two.

評論來自 111622

I'm sick of running out of energy, this helps a little. Better than nothing. Enough said.

評論來自 clavarnway

while stealthed and 6 seconds after...using an ability every GCD..that's 70 energy savings right?

評論來自 366578

Patch 3.1.3 Client Patch Notes

Overkill: Talent redesigned. Now increases energy regeneration by 30% while stealthed, and for 20 seconds after breaking stealth.

評論來自 Iroared

Seems that the change will decrease the initial burst (although with glyphed vigor and 4pc pvp gear there should be enough energy to CS and mutilate twice), and hardly changes sustained damage (because part of energy comes from focused attacks).

評論來自 258234

From a small patch update this talent tree increases energy regeneration.

Source: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/

Overkill: Talent redesigned. Now increases energy regeneration by 30% while stealthed, and for 20 seconds after breaking stealth.

評論來自 372694

Well I'd take 30% more energy over 20 seconds than the reduced energy cost over 6. Makes for a much better stunlock, as now you have the extra energy you need to cover a blip if it happens rather than sitting there like a stunned chicken going "uh oh...."
I'm not totally sure about this, but a 30% increase in energy regen means you generate 13 energy per second rather than 10 (an extra 30% of normal regeneration)?

評論來自 230590

for those pve rogues that dont know, you can use vanish offensively like a minor AR

recent patch 3.1.3 nerfed the burst you could get from this

before it was reduce the energy of all moves in stealth and out by 10 for the next 6 seconds which is about the same as 60 extra energy, but could also be abused with relentless strikes or improved expose armor to gain 10/20 energy, so closer to 70-80 energy (like if you put up SnD, EA or Rupture with enough cp on them with overkill up)

now its 30% more regen during stealth and for 20sec after, which is exactly 60 energy over 20sec (extra 3/sec) which you could consider somewhat of a nerf, especially since its the same amount over 3x the duration, less burst and no extra energy on 25e finishers used when its up... i guess the only difference is if you vanish in pvp it will allow you to recover energy faster if you need to reopen soon, but even then thats highly situational

評論來自 384266

Does anyone know if this and vitality stack? That would be awesome. 55% Regen for 20 seconds after breaking stealth. I don't know what a build that utilized this would be for though...raiding?...

評論來自 391145

I was looking at that build and see how it could be used for pvp and i came up with this.
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent#fueboxMoiMoZrxhdMbxsMuZs:hijVc
I think its cool.

評論來自 183705

Did some more research on rogue energy modifiers today (was testing for few hours):

Results are surprising accurate (+/-0,5% EPS) simply formula is:
100% + Overkill + Vitality + Adrenaline Rush = max ~25,5 energy per second, 255%

Also i think regeneration rate is slightly higher in shorter fights, made ticket to confirm or deny that theory (short time could be more mistakes).

評論來自 426223

20 Seconds is all I need baby. ;)

評論來自 487637

Pretty good for leveling... Adding it onto Remorseless Attacks means you're killing mobs hella fast...

Although stealthing around slows you down major... So i made this macro which i double tap and gives me the buff before each kill.

/cast stealth
/cancelaura

Simple yet effective.

評論來自 Nurglitch

They do stack.

I run 5mans with a combat + Overkill build.

Makes AOE outrageous.

A good group could start a new fight every 30 seconds or so, meaning that killing spree is a somewhat rare thing in comparison to 20 seconds of free energy every pull.

評論來自 Rappe

Whereas this is a good talent, no argument about that, extra energy regeneration is always welcome, I still find myself abusing this for pulling mobs with ranged than it's actual purpose...

The problem with the "honest" way of using this is combo point generation. Normally, when leveling, if I go from stealth to opening garrote, then mutilate, I end up with 3 or 4 combo points at maximum. Of course, this is only matter of preference. If you open with cheap shot, sure, you get that 5 points pretty surely, but I've always preferred a stable dot, than a few second stun.

When I just pop to stealth, and immediatly shoot, and open with two mutilates (Got the glyph) I usually end up with 5 combo points, and can pop rupture right away.

The latter way, I finish fights a lot faster than with garrote opening. I don't know if this is useful for anyone or not, but just a pointer to faster mob killing, I guess.

評論來自 464789

On a side note, does anyone know how this works with both https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=61329 and https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=13750.

Just for the sake of science.
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Since the wording is different.

-Overkill states you would regain MORE energy/tick. Basically saying 1 Energy per 0.1 sec would turn into 1.3 energy p/0.1s
-AR states you would regain FASTER. It's saying 1 Energy/0.1s would turn into 1 Energy/0.05s.
-Vitality also states you would regain faster. 1 Energy/0.075s
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So these things combined, how would they work out?

Overkill makes the ticks go from 1, to 1.3

1 energy per 0.1 second *0.5 *0.75= 1 energy per 0,0375

So combining those things, would that means you would regain 13 energy per 0,375 seconds?

Or: 10 energy per 0,288~ seconds? Or course 34²/³ energy per 1 second?
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Or would it basically be 1 energy per second, ticking 155% faster? (100%+25%+20%)

1 Energy per 0,65 seconds? -> 1,534~ energy per 1 second.
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Or do they stack differently? And doesn't make Overkill tick MORE, but also faster (and wording is screwed)

1 (second) *0.75 *0.8 * 0.5= 1 energy per 0.3 second ticks. (equality for comparison: 33 ¹/² per second?)

No longer relevant in an era where only Assassination can get Overkill.

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當你潛行時，或者脫離潛行後的20秒內可額外恢復30%的能量。

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0碼 (Self)

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瞬發

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