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Quoth the Dying Berserker:

Uhnhh... Don't.... bother with me.
I am... finished...

-Hold on friend. Tell me what happened here.

Gathering... information.... on the Scourge.
Alliance forces appeared...
We took cover - waited until they attacked the gate,
then, we hit them from the rear.
Pinched between us... and the Scourge... it was too much for them...

Brother... it was... glorious.

Комментарий от Gorillaface

I'm having a problem with this quest; I end up flying around looking for dying soldiers, and when I speak to them the only response I get is:

"Uhnhh... Don't.... bother with me.
I am... finished..."

.. and nothing more :/

I've tried talking to them several times, dismounting before talking, relogging, and so on and so on, but nothing seems to work. The weird thing however is that I managed to pick up one of the quest which this quest opens....

Hmm.

Комментарий от danix

in retaliation? by the gods horde started all the bgs ow please.. what are those quests for everyone to do in hillsbrad?

he did not said: OMG ORC DID BAD THINGS AND I'LL CLEAN YOU NOW!

It's fact that the Thrall is trying to change the ways of the "old horde", though it won't be easy.. nevermind to say that warsong clan don't obey him.. but anyway it's also fact that the new horde isn't much different from the "old horde"

anyway:

-His dad was killed by a friend of Stormwind, that just happened to be allied with the Horde.
-Stormwind was burnt to the ground by the Horde.
-Lothar had to take him, Lothar became his new father figure.
-Lothar was killed by the Horde during a diplomatic mission where no hostilites were to be present.
-He was going on a diplomatic mission to meet with the Horde and try and bring peace, but eventually ends up being a slave and used in deathmatches.
-He still remained calm, he was still trying to remain nice.
-Horde slaughter the Alliance in Northrend "just cuz".
-Forsaken destroy the entire alliance regiment and slay Varian's best friend at the Wrath Gate.
-Varian wants revenge, Thrall says "Na bro, i'll do it k holmes?" and pretty much leads the rage to build.
-Varian enters the Undercity, sees humans being tortured and experiemented on and sees how the once proud and glorious kingdom of Lordaeron has fallen.

Any reasonable being would've acted sooner.

and no, it's not things of the past, horde do such things every day, even after jaina (omg i hate her..) helped the horde with the death of her own father..

http://forums.wow-europe.com/search.html?characterId=66937369810&sid=1

Комментарий от 275578

First of all, yes, i agree Thrall is trying to amend what the Old Horde had done. But to be honest, the Alliance hasn't really done much to deserve our unconditional obedience and respect :|
Yeah, when the Old Horde came through the gates, they laid waist to everyone.. but that was in the blood haze of the Burning legion.
Then the battle continue on... And Warsong was one of the clans that preferred to see the Alli dead than to try and amend old wounds.
Yet what did the Alliance do? Make camps to capture and break the orc's spirits in very inhuman ways. Keeping them as animals. Not all of them were as "lucky" as Thrall was.
Who would really want to Ally themselves to ppl like those?
But I digress....

Something about the reasons you stated bothered me to no end....
-Yeah Varian was on a diplomatic mission... but when Rehgar Earthfury found him fighting off that croc, Varian didn't know who he was.. he had amnesia. Yeah, Rehgar trained him for battle in the arenas. But he never treated them (Varian, Broll, nor Valeera) as farm animals.
And when they were brought to Thunderbluff, Rehgar let them go into the Pools of Vision, knowing that he'll remember who he truly was and what he had to do... and that Feather? Both Rehgar and Hamuul (the elder druid who gave it to him) knew what it did. The orc let him choose whether to stay as a Gladiator champion and continue gaining riches, or actually going and fulfilling his true calling. Tell me, if he was such a slave, do you honestly think the Shaman would've let the druid give them a hippogryph feather so they could escape? yeah. (http://www.wowwiki.com/Varian_Wrynn)
-The Wrath gate was as much a loss for the Alliance as for the Horde as well. Just in case you're partially blind and slightly tard, the son of Saurfang also died. Many Horde and Alliance soldiers died. It was Putress' and varimathrass' fault. Not -the Horde's fault. Just to make that clear.
-And the Undercity event? We were there killing off Varimathrass, the real reason why the Forsaken had been split up and Sylvanas and many good Forsaken almost lost their lives. And many did not make it. So don't come here QQing about "Horde being the bad guys". We have reasons to be called 'bad guys'. yeah. And so does the Alliance.
-And you may have your reasons to hate Jaina. but she and thrall are desperately trying to find a 'happy-medium' in which the horde and Alli can be comfortable with.

/nerd rage

Комментарий от danix

'the Alliance hasn't really done much to deserve our unconditional obedience and respect :| "

sadly every horde fan say that.. not saying that you're one but..

anyway.. explain? We never attacked, putting off the dwarfs that just dig on a tauren camp to find (and indeed they found) dwarven past. ah and the taurens there were nomads ;]

"Yet what did the Alliance do? Make camps to capture and break the orc's spirits in very inhuman ways. Keeping them as animals. Not all of them were as "lucky" as Thrall was."

yeh if wasn't for that gilneas and the high elfes woulnd't left alliance, they said that the orcs should be exterminated, what varian voted against.. mm genocidal right? (ah and break orc spirit? "keeping them as animals"? sorry but the orcs at that time and even several today ARE animails, they just want to destroy, what now isn't thaaat different.

look man im not saying death to horde bla bla, but really.. saying that was all demonic fault.. and alliance did terrible things.. well none ever said what were those terible things.. and even if we had did anything against horde... well i think you should just look the horde quests in Ashenvale, hillsbrad foothills, plaguelands and many others and compare with the alliance ones.

Комментарий от 264808

Alliance have Gnomes.......

.....that is enough reason to say the Alliance are vile.

Комментарий от 256077

By just simply utilizing the jelly located to the north of your heart, you'll know that the Scourge (and maybe the Burning Legion if they're still around) is the biggest threat now.

So why the hell would these Horde attack the Alliance soldiers who are attacking the Scourge?

Комментарий от 120570

in retaliation? by the gods horde started all the bgs ow please..

If by "all bgs" you mean "Warsong Gulch". Arathi Basin, Eye of the Storm, and Strand of the ancients are all neutral areas that both factions are trying to capture, and Alterac Valley is an alliance invasion for their "imperialistic imperative".

Комментарий от 312958

If anything, this quest illustrates the difference between the Alliance and the Horde. Here's what the Alliance sees when they talk to the dying soldier:

We attacked under cover of a blizzard....
The Scourge were caught off guard... our victory was certain....
Then... from behind us... the Horde came from nowhere.
They cost us... everything....

Here's what the Horde see when they talk to their dying berserkers:

Gathering... information.... on the Scourge.
Alliance forces appeared...
We took cover - waited until they attacked the gate,
then, we hit them from the rear.
Pinched between us... and the Scourge... it was too much for them...

Both quests have you kill the dying Alliance.

Now let's look at the turn-in dialogue. Alliance:

So... It was a rout - a total loss. This shall not be forgotten.
Mark my words, <class>. The Horde shall pay for this... there will be no mercy!

Horde:

They saw the Alliance assaulting the gate and they attacked them from behind...
<After a brief pause, Korm bursts into laughter.>
THAT is what it means to be HORDE!
Were it not for them, the Alliance maggots would likely be holding that gate!
Their boldness has bought us precious time.

Frigging gankers.

Комментарий от Pandalink

The prequest is the Quest Line all the way up to Crusaders' Pinnacle.

Комментарий от 210820

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/npc=31273 for them that don't have a co-ordinates add-on

Комментарий от 336423

This area in my opinion, is the worst place to quest in Icecrown and if not all of Northrend. The agro range on the hulking abominations is ridiculous, and you have raised ally aimlessly running around, and minions that seem to come out of nowhere. Add all that and the fact that the place is so crowded, you have instant death every time you aggro one thing. and if you haven't noticed yet im just venting

Комментарий от Rammstein

They saw the Alliance assaulting the gate and they attacked them from behind...

<After a brief pause, Korm bursts into laughter.>

THAT is what it means to be HORDE!

Were it not for them, the Alliance maggots would likely be holding that gate!

Their boldness has bought us precious time.

*evil laugh* muhahahahaha

Комментарий от 341073

You can boast about ambushing the alliance all ya want, but it doesnt change the retardation of it. Hmm...we are up against someone that can bring the dead to his side thus creating a never ending supply of minions for himself while the Horde do their little happy dance for killing a group of Alliance which increases the workload of defeating the Lich King and inevitably those dead, now turned ghouls, killing future Hordies and Alliance later. Hell, I'm a Horde and I think this was stupid on the Horde's part. Not to say I won't complete a quest to kill 5 Allies that are dying anyways for some easy gold...hehe.

Комментарий от Whiterock

ORGRIM'S HAMMER Quest Tree From Whiterock

The Crusaders' Pinnacle* 1)Preparations for War
|->The Skybreaker(A)* The Shadow Vault*
| |
1)Orgrim's Hammer------->Opportunity*
|___________________________________________
| |->2)Mind Tricks |->D)Blood of the Chosen
3)The Broken Front |->D)Slaves to Saronite |->2)Joining the Assault
| +3)Avenge Me! |->2)Get to Ymirheim! |->D)Assault by Air
|->D)Make Them Pay! D)King of the Mountain |->D)Assault by Ground
|
|------------------------>1)Good For Something?
1)Takes One to Know One 3)Volatility-->D)Volatility
3)Poke and Prod 5)Green Technology
|________________________ 6)Fringe Science Benefits
| | |->D)Riding the Wavelength: The Bombardment
3)That's Abominable! | |->D)Total Ohmage: The Valley of Lost Hope!
|->D)That's Abominable! |
| 4)Against the Giants
5)Sneak Preview |->4)Coprous the Defiled
|->5)Chain of Command |->4)Basic Chemistry-->D)Neutralizing the Plague
|->5)Cannot Reproduce
| 5)Retest Now-->D)Retest Now
|
5)Drag and Drop-->D)Drag and Drop
|->5)Not a Bug-->D)Not a Bug
|
5)Need More Info----------------->5)No Rest For The Wicked
| |->D)No Rest For The Wicked
| |
7)Raise the Barricades----------->8)The Ironwall Rampart
|->8)Blinding the Eyes in the Sky |
| D)Keeping the Alliance Blind |
| |
8)Bloodspattered Banners |
|_________________________________|
|
9)Before the Gate of Horror
| \
9)Shatter the Shards 9)The Guardians of Corp'rethar

Amped for Revolt!(doesn't work/exist)
Quest Zones:
1)Orgrim's Hammer_____2)Ymirheim_____3)Broken Front_____4)Mord'Rethar_____5)Aldur'thar_____6)The Bombardment_____7)Valley of Lost Hope_____8)Valley of Fallen Heroes_____9)Corp'rethar
D)Daily
*Click to see more info about that quest-line.
The Icecrown is done! Leave your comments/sugestions at my comment in Icecrown zone. Thanks everyone who helped me to make it via comments on wowhead and in-game pre-quest tracking.

Комментарий от 169126

Go complete the Wrath Gate chain in Dragonblight and watch the Cinematic, then participate in the battle for the Undercity. THEN you will understand why the Horde attacked the Alliance from behind, instead of helping them fight the Scourge.

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Both sides were at fragile alliance with one another during the War against the Lich King, so they attacked the Wrath Gate together in order to break into Icecrown.

While the fighting was happening Putress (a Renegade Forsaken under the command of Varimathras) bombarded both sides and the Lich King, killing many Soldiers from both sides in the process.
Everyone had thought the Forsaken had betrayed the Horde, until you head back to your main city and hear the real story.

Sylvanas and all of the "Good" Forsaken were kicked out of Undercity, and Varimathras/Putress' Forsaken had taken over.

Thrall understood that the Forsaken didnt betray the horde, but instead was just a group of renegade forsaken.
Varian (the Hot headed Alliance King) was too ignorant to understand that it wasnt the Hordes fault for killing many Alliance Soldiers at the Wrath Gate. Alot of Horde soldiers also died along side the Alliance.

Blinded by Fury due to his good friends Bolvar Fordragons death, he layed Seige on the Undercity to reclaim it for the Alliance, and to kill Putress.
Unkowningly to Varian, Thrall and Sylvanas were planning the same idea, which was to reclaim Undercity for the Horde, and to kill Varimathras.

Both factions raided the Undercity from opposite ends, Horde killing Varimathras and Ally killing Putress, Varian charges into the Throne Room (Where Vari was hiding out away from Thrall and Co.) and exchanged some harsh but pointless words to Thrall and Sylvanas.

Varian then re-declares War, and with a few Soldiers he foolishly charges in to try and kill both Thrall and Sylvanas by himself, but before he would of gotten himself killed out of spite, Jiana ports Varian and his troops away back to SW.

Saurfang then enters the room and has a chat with Thrall, and Thrall mentions that the treaty between Horde and Ally is well and truely broken, and they are back to where they first started. At War with eachother.

Комментарий от 169126

I was just unimpressed with the commanders response as horde.

They saw the Alliance assaulting the gate and they attacked them from behind...
<After a brief pause, Korm bursts into laughter.>
THAT is what it means to be HORDE!

So what being horde means you're a honorless cheap ass b1tch? Doesn't really seem to be horde style. I was kinda pi$$ed when i did this quest cause horde has always come across as the nobler of the 2 factions since they were freed of the blood curse.

They were just taking advantage of the moment, honorable/noble or not.

If you were at War with another faction, and you saw them completly defenseless and preoccupied and that was most likely the only chance you would have gotten, would you take the 'honorable' way out and leave them be, only to have the possibility of them coming back and getting you in the end. Or would you take the 'cheap' way out, and tacticaly kill them before they have the chance to strike you back.

May not be honorable for the Horde, but in a war you would most likely do anything to have your faction come out on top.

Комментарий от 101134

The utter selfish stupidity of the horde you mean? Not only did they screw over both sides (the alliance in the short run, you in the long run when your dead recon team comes back to bite you horde in the @%$), they did their assault wrong! You're supposed to wait until AFTER one side is victorious THEN assault the weakened forces. I have a horde character, and right now, I'm wondering how I can defect to the alliance after this fiasco.

Totally agree with BFGfreak on this one. In a conventional war, yes, people would probably do something like that.

@Direfen92 - BUT NOT WHEN YOUR MUTUAL ENEMY HAS THE ABILITY TO RAISE THE DEAD, thus adding to their troops, (who require no upkeep whatsoever, if I might add)! In addition, you still have the gall to backstab someone and call it "glorious/honorable"?

I raged over this quest so hard, due to the sheer stupidity of it. I'm both Alliance and Horde, so I've seen my share, but this takes the cake.

Also, what's up with giving captainship of valued assets, say, like 2 unique airships and then have them to endlessly skirmish over the middle of Icecrown when they could be pewpewing Scourge instead with that firepower?

Last, but not least is, WHY aren't the other race leaders doing anything to defuse this conflict? Tyrande/Velen/Magni could do alot to rein in Varian declaring war. Also, Garrosh undergoing a total character switch, from the emokid from Nagrand, being openly defiant and increasingly critical of Thrall just doesn't make sense to me. Where the heck are Vol'Jin and Cairne?( I won't even mention Lorth'remar/ Mekkatorque). Only time any of them even have a use is when they come out and tap the keg during Brewfest.

Hell, Blizzard is just focusing on 3 and a 1/2 leaders for character development (Varian, Thrall, Sylvanas and Garrosh, in that order) and neglecting the rest, which imho is a mistake given that Northrend provides so many storyline hooks that concern other races (e.g. Taunka joining the Horde; Ulduar for the dwarves, etc.)

Комментарий от Milker

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/maps=210:690660

(questhelper showed the wrong location)

Комментарий от Raivyn

You guys forget that the warsong clan are very warlike, they just want to kill everyone and dont think about the consequences.

Thralls horde is more peaceful and only sent the warsong clan to northrend when angered by the attack on Orgrimmar.

I have the feeling theres gonna be some more tension between warsong and the rest of the horde in the future. (Thrall and Hellscream have already fought before.)

Комментарий от 319872

I wouldn't expect anything less than this from a faction that names its capital in honor of one of the most hated war criminals in history (from Alliance point of view). Orgrim Doomhammer was responsible for taking up the genocidal campaign against the Alliance while NOT being under the ifluence of demon blood. He is reponsible for countless deaths, and the Horde praises his as one of their greatest heroes.

It's like the Germans naming their capital in honor of Adolf Hitler after World War 2. Honestly...way to rub it in the Alliance's face.

Комментарий от Skreeran

Korm seems to be the Horde's Garithos.

Комментарий от 119098

but the forsaken have many reasons for their "experiments". it says in lore that not only are some of them trying to find a "cure", but that most of the forsaken are allied with the Horde out of nessecity, not loyalty or values. they would be just as happy to "play with trolls, if they (rightly) belived we could give them a steady control to work with.

Комментарий от 461013

For the guy that pointed out how the alliance couldn't trust the horde because the horde couldn't trust itself (the whole forsaken uprising thing) .... You are aware that this ENTIRE thing has been going on with Arthas ... former alliance prince.... as the helm .... so don't throws stones when your house if made of Cow patties... burning his own ships... some track record you guys have.

Комментарий от Conal

QuestHelper was not even close on this one.

Комментарий от 3xploit

Go back and play Reign of Chaos and in the Orc campaign go to chapter 3- Cry of the Warsong. It pretty much show their true nature. Hellscream may have cleansed all of the Orc's blood (at least Orcs outside of the Warsong >_>) but nothing seems to have changed within the Warsong Clan...

Комментарий от anazopyreo

Quest Helper is way off on a lot of NR quests. (Specifically Ice Crown?)

Комментарий от Ivon

This quest may not have anything to do with the lore and what would 'actually' have happened. It may be a reference to the Gankers who would wait till you were in a fight and then come kill you...or worse damage you and then stun you so the mob killed you; granting them honor and you a durability-death.

I really do not like the path Blizzard is taking this game; both factions (story-wise) are starting to act like the 'kids' that play this game.

Комментарий от 355455

And I'm continually astonished by the fact that Alliance players can't bloody well seem to read. There are as many if not more comments from Horde players condemning this action, right here on this very page. I'm a Horde loyalist and I despised this quest, there was nothing honorable or glorious or even intelligent about it; it was a pure Leeroy move straight out of the Garrosh Hellscream Handbook on How To Lose Wars. If he were as clever as he is trigger happy, the Alliance might actualy have something to worry about; fortunately for you, he does the majority of his thinking with his axe.

But that's not the point. The point of this quest is not to turn WoW back into the two-dimensional White Hats vs. Black hats scenario that early RTS Warcraft was, and people on both sides who are trying to argue that the Horde is evil/the Alliance had it coming are all missing the point. The purpose of this quest is to show the growing schism within the Horde. Garrosh's mindless, bloodthirsty attitude is capturing the hearts and blades of orcs dissatisfied with Thrall's vision, and threatening to undo all of the good Thrall has done for the past seven or so years. Looking at this as an isolated event is short-sighted regardless of which faction you play, but it's especially ignorant for Alliance to do it, because you aren't privy to seeing the pattern of bloodthirsty Garroshian orcs vs. mindful Thrallish orcs that's been playing out ever since Warsong Hold in Borean Tundra, and arguably since the pre-Wrath event in Orgrimmar. There's been a distinct theme of power struggles between old attitudes and new ways of life going on throughout this whole expansion with the Horde, and it's been as important a story thread as the actual fight against the Lich King. You see it again and again, in places like Agmar's Hammer and Conquest Hold. What happened at the Broken Front is yet another example, and Korm Blackscar represents the very worst of that Old Horde mentality, not the true Orcish warrior ethos. He most certainly does not represent the Horde as a whole, any more than Grand Marshal Garithos, Lord Blackmoore, Admiral Proudmoore or Fandral Staghelm represent the Alliance as a whole. There are heroes and villains on both sides, in positions of power and influence, and players would do well to remember that.

Комментарий от 174799

How do you complete this quest? I am going around and only killing the dying soldiers

Комментарий от dreadblood

I love this, some ppl writing big walls of text about this and how it was dishonourable.. and then u see some comments about how to finish the Quest :D
Also. ppl must remember these are Garrosh's orcs, where this asshattery is praised.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

70, 64

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Found one at 67,71. Apparently there are several lying around. After talking to them, they start a pvp-ish quest.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2009 11:26pm by cylenzzo

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I found him at 68.7,69.1

I went to 70,64 but i didn't see him there. I think he is dif. locations, just flew around the battle field looking.

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