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Comentado por mrgummage

I can has Seal of Blood naow?

- Hottage, QQing Alliance Ret Paladin

Comentado por serro

Indeed it seems as though Alliance have gotten a Seal of Blood type of spell, and the Horde will be getting a Seal of Vengence called Seal of Corruption in WotLK. https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53736

Comentado por Kanonji

A much needed fix for alliance paladins for higher dps, and can save them a talent point as well rather then Seal of Command.

Comentado por Phr057

will be available for Alliance Paladins at level 66 as was available for Horde Paladins at 64.

For the Horde, is the Horde Faction version of the Alliance's , also available at level 66 for Horde Paladins.

Edit: Fixed the level.

Comentado por Ayreon

yay, only 9 months too late

Comentado por 116751

Desolace, this change was neccessary and I will explain why (hopefully this will answer some people's questions as well).

First of all, we need to look at SoB/SoM vs SoC.

SoC:

Is not guaranteed to even have an effect
Does not judge for enough damage to be worthwhile on targets that are not stunned or incapacitated (most bosses are immune to these)

SoB/SoM:

Provides steady, constant damage
The extra damage can crit, requiring less critical strike rating on your gear to keep Vengeance up
The self-inflicted damage means that from time to time you will need a small heal (usually a single Lifebloom will do) which means you gain mana back from Spiritial Attunement (this is also the way paladin tanks regen their mana)
I am not sure about the judgement damage which may or may not be more than that of SoC, but in any case the self-inflicted damage makes it better
SoB/SoM do not require you to spec for them. You should grab SoC anyway for PvP and for situations where the recoil will kill you, but the fact that SoB/SoM are baseline means that you can still use them as holy or prot, which could potentially make doing dailies etc much easier for non-ret paladins

Now about your supposed conspiracy theory. Think of this as the equivalent of Fear Ward. It took a similar amount of time to happen and it is similarly game-breaking (ie: not very except to a minority).

Finally, your 'there is no reason to play horde now'. Yes, the numbers were imbalanced at the start. But now they are very even, with alliance slightly outnumbering horde on PvE servers and horde slightly outnumbering alliance on PvP servers. SoB is not what evened out the numbers, the main factor in that was just the fact that horde would get pallies. Oh, and blood elves allowed a more realistic recreation of Legolas than night elves do.

I think I speak for many alliance paladins out there when I say that while I appreciate this change, it does bring to mind on certain phrase: 'Took you long enough!'

Comentado por Muck

Does anyone have any idea how much damage Judgement of the Martyr/Blood/Command now does? The tooltips now all seem to have no set numbers in it.

Is it a percentage of your attack power? Here's to hoping it is.

Comentado por JamieG

SoB deals more damage than SoC will on an average judgement, however SoC does a lot more damage on stunned mobs. However, seeing as in most cases, the target will not be stunned (on my paladin, Alliance, I only use it for a stun anyway, it just gives a little bit of extra juice to HoJ), SoB comes out on top of SoC from judging, let alone the actual seal.

As a protadin that respecs from time to time, either for a laugh or too many tanks to a raid, I don't have amazing gear, and my mana lacks a lot. The syenergy of the self inflected damage and a HoT will keep paladins DPSing for longer, and harder. Currently, Rank 1 SoC is used, with no judging, because of the mana issue.

Complain all you want about the factions being identical except racials, you'd complain if one side was far stronger and over powered compared to the other more. : )

Comentado por Syphid

In the latest Wrath Beta build, this and every other seal's duration was increased to two minutes, and none of the seals are consumed by the new Judgment spells.

Comentado por illepic

Question:

Does this mean that I, as a holy paladin, can stack the bajeezus out of spellpower in Wrath and run around with a big 2h weapon doing some nice, satisfyingly high numbers with Seal of the Martyr?

Thanks for your input.

Comentado por Axile

I did some basic math and found that SoC is actually more damage than this one because that cupeled with the new spell power talent would add almost like 120-220 +spell per proc (not to mention extra % from vengeance), now if this seal does take spell power than im wrong but as of right now seal of blood doesn't only the judgment does, as far as the wiki states.

/pwnd

Comentado por 99689

Oh wait you mean to tell me that I can use SoM to tank when I become mana starved as a pally tank. Sweetness!

Comentado por 168146

i find this to be an excellent skill for 2v2 arenas, where fights are usually finished faster than other arena matches.

30% weapon damage from seal of martyr + 20% damage from Avenging Wrath is a HUGE damage bonus,considering the WOTLK items that are to come.and it gets even better since AW doesn't cause Forbearance anymore ,so u can just pop up that annoying bubble that everybody hates when u are in danger and let your healer bring u up again.

it also goes very well with Divine Storm wich heals u for a % of the damage u do, reducing the downside effects of SoM even more.

However, this goes well with a fast weapon (maybe a 2h sword). Since Seal of Command procs more often on a slow weapon and u get 70% weapon damage,instead of 30%.

Comentado por 112924

BTW fellow allies paladins don't try to bubble. buff seal of martyr and nuke at 10%
the recoil damage bypass immunity mechanics
i did that once and killed my self...
and also it rocks in pvp as well
its nice as a constant dps i.e at 3v3 arena when the enemy priest is at 10% and u want some nice damage at the moment

Comentado por 119048

Do you think that in wrath there could potentially be some sort of paladin ninja man? With over 17% crit in talents with 5/38/28, i think you could sport a 1her and a shield and pack a pretty mean punch with this seal.

Gearing up like a rogue or fury war that would be of course...dunno about for pvp, but would be cool to see in pve

Comentado por 220104

Ok I've gone and tested this, and found out that SoC is now much superior to SoB/SoM. SoB/SoM now has a 100% chance to heal 28% of melee damage on weapon swing, whereas SoC has a 42% chance with a 3.8 speed weapon to deal 70%, however with the addition of a new glyph that adds a 20% chance to proc SoC its now a 62% chance for SoC to proc, dealing an average of 43% weapon damage. As for judgements, they deal about the same for non-stunned targets (in fact when I played, SoC dealt MORE damage than SoB/SoM), and SoC is superior for stunned targets. As for mana, with the new 20% mana refund on judgements, I find that I have enough mana to use all my abilities, including exorcism and conc, even hammer and NEVER run out of mana, I even have enough mana comming in to use the instant flash heal I get from heals on down time between ability CD's. At one point I was off healing with holy light by simply using judgement every 8 seconds for mana.

Post edit: There are still 2 benefits for SoB/SoM in only that is was more consistant, and proced vengeance more, but with 17% crit in talents, if your not getting 1 crit at least every 30 seconds, your just cursed. In the end it was still much much less damage in aoe and single target dps. However, it benefited from haste, whereas SoC did not, but rets stack a lot of ArP now (they are heavy hitters, not fast hitters)

Comentado por bghs2003

This seal compared to Seal of Vengeance/Corruption:

In order for this seal to do more dps than a fully stacked SoV/Cor your weapon damage per second, factoring in your crit chance, needs to be greater than 22.86% of your attack power plus 11.43% of your spell power

WDPS * (1 + Crit%) = .2286 AP + .1143 SP

In order for the judgment to do more damage than a fully stacked judgment of SoV/Cor your weapon damage needs to be greater than 40% of your spell power and 25% of your attack power

WD = .4SP + .25 AP

Granted, it can take a little while to get a full stack on SoV/Cor, so keep that in mind

This seal compared to Seal of Righteousness:

In order for the proc on this seal to do more dps than SoR your weapon damage per second, factoring in your crit chance, needs to be greater than 20% of your spell power plus 10% of your attack power

WDPS * (1 + Crit%) = .2 SP + .1 AP

In order for the judgment to do more damage than a judged SoR your weapon damage needs to be greater than 32% of your spell power and 20% of your attack power

WD = .32 SP + .2 AP

Comentado por 206512

Fighting in pve wouldn't be so bad, in a boss fight like Prince in kara somehting that can help you alot is https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53488.
To help save you.
In pvp when using this, this https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53488 also has its usefulness
Lets say you have 2 people on you, a warrior and, a rogue
your about to die and you have this https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53488 buff
then boom and bubble and holy light
See https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53488 gives you that one moment needed to live both in pvp and pve

Comentado por gurnenthar

Maybe I missed this somewhere...I thought I read everything looking for it...

Why does Seal of Blood judge for more than Seal of the Martyr?
Seal of Blood judges for roughly 1/2 weapon damage and 1/3 SP. but Seal of the Martyr only 1/5 of melee and the same 1/3 SP...
Is this a bug? Or is it "Working as intended?" =P

Comentado por 93865

DPSing for your sins, yo...

Comentado por 128660

Does seal of martyr procs reckoning and redoubt while tanking?
I tried to find that out but havent noticed any difference. Can any1 help out?

Comentado por Grimtongue

This is, hands down, the best PvE Seal for a Ret paladin to use in the vast majority of boss fights. The only time you wouldn't want to use it would be in situations where you are suddenly reduced to such a low amount of health that the backlash from a hit would kill you. For example, using this seal on Prince would lead to an untimely death. In situations where you can't use SotM, use Seal of Vengeance or Seal of Command instead.

Comentado por 223389

Sacred Shield is a perfect complement for this while soloing. Just make sure you cast Judgment while you have a Sacred Shied for maximum damage absorption.

Comentado por Cicgnar

Someone can say the exact % it gets from AP or Spell power if any for the damage on swing?

Comentado por Ronark

All seals last 30 minutes now and are undispellable.

Good way to save a GCD and mana every 2 minutes.

Comentado por 256123

Patch 3.0.9 notes:

Paladins

* The duration on all Seals has been increased to 30 minutes and can no longer be dispelled.

Taken from http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/

Comentado por 175315

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=31892# for the horde ;-)

Comentado por MaranX

I dont like when paladins use it while in a group or raid. They usually after using it got AOE damage and die. Then they blame healers like me. Seal of Command maybe do less damage but it is safer for group usage.

Comentado por Proteja

I recommend using this to level from 70-80, after you unlock divine plea as a ret pally.

It almost always crits for 4k~ per judge, making enemies die before a full rotatation of DS/CS, due to the high crit, you will always get an instant FoL which will heal the damage you took from the seal, throw in divine plea now and you should never go oom

Seal of wisdom may be great having so much mana but the damage this puts out is crazy

Comentado por 358540

SOB/SOM now sucks in 3.1. They nerfed the base seal dmg by about 400+ dmg. Id rather havae the 300 extra dmg on my seals than exorcism, imo though.

Comentado por 64626

As of 3.2 this ability, as well as Seal of Blood, is being removed.

Comentado por 315540

This seal plus Judgement Of Light and Art Of War means hardly any damage from it

Comentado por 60265

is this even a real spell? I don't have it and I'm hearing it's so good...

Comentado por bodellnatior

As of 3.2 this ability, as well as Seal of Blood, is being removed.

is this even a real spell? I don't have it and I'm hearing it's so good...

Dude, the answer was just above T_T

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Todos os ataques corpo a corpo causam (0.48 * Mainhand weapon min damage) a (0.48 * Mainhand weapon max damage) de dano Sagrado adicional, mas o Paladino recebe 10% do dano total causado. Dura 30 min.

Liberar a energia deste Selo julgará um inimigo, causando (0.26 * Mainhand weapon min damage + 0.11 * Attack power + 0.18 * Spell power) a (0.26 * Mainhand weapon max damage + 0.11 * Attack power + 0.18 * Spell power) de dano Sagrado instantaneamente ao custo de uma perda de vida equivalente a 33% do dano causado.

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