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Comentado por Bzoeker

That effect sure is nice for affliction warlocks, it remind me to the one that drops from Priestess Delrissa from MGT.
Compare with: https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=34470

Btw, this item drops in WoTLK - Naxxramas 25

Comentado por 168146

i find this to be trully THE trinket for all locks, regardless of their spec.at first i thought that blizz trashed this excellent trinket by adding the crit rating instead of spell power bonus... however, if one pays close attention to the talents of a lock :

-affliction locks get a proc per tick equal to their crit chance to do 100% more dmg
-the pets of demo locks get a % of the lock's crit chance as crit chance of their own
-obvious reasons why a destro lock would want crit rating (lolz)

And like Nykylai said, now its not just an affliction lock/shadow priest trinket.It may sound strange but even a tanking paladin could profit ALOT from this since in wotlk all of them will have Seal of Vengeance/Corruption.

It will almost surely get bonus from spell power and will be able to crit,since its an upgrade from https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=34470 (wich i have on my lock, and it does 900 dmg non-crit with me having around 1000 spell bonus)

Comentado por 84594

This trinket is good for any class that has a DOT and likes crits.

Arguments on who's it meant for or is better used by are moot. You have a DOT and a bias opinion for your class, that's great. It doesn't make you more or less deserving then anyone else with a DOT and an ego.

This has a 10% chance to send a shadow bolt at your target. (Currently listed, so it may be wrong).

Comentado por 2922

Drops off of Sapphiron in 25 man Naxx.

Comentado por 99247

According to the equip effect (click on it) the proc has a 10% chance and no internal cooldown (as of 3.0.3). Thus for every dot on the target this thing has a higher chance of proccing, so classes that use alot of dots (or dots that affect a large number of targets at once) would seem to be who this was designed for.

Thus, pre-inevitable nerf, the class to benefit most from this trinket are locks with their 6 potential dots, followed by consecrating paladins and then most everyone else.

Not that this really matters, as they will almost certainly place an internal cooldown on the item, making this entire argument about best class/spec moot.

Comentado por voinbobar

I wonder if the effect will be triggered by druids's Rip

Comentado por 261094

Why? Fire mages have Fireball (or Frostfire Bolt), Living Bomb, Ignite, and Pyroblast for dots. Not to mention Fire/Frostfire mages get a lot more out of the crit than a Shadow Priest or Afflic Lock.

That post actually made me register just to reply to that piece of "info". You, sir, have no clue about Affli locks or Shadow Priests, seeing as how you still think crit is bad for them. Affli locks get a chance to deal an additional tick with their dots based on their crit chance, and Shadowpriests gain % dot damage based on their crit chance (it counts buffs/debuffs aswell), not to mention that SP's get 100% crit damage, and mindflay crits now aswell. So, before you go nerd raging at a priest or a lock for bidding on this/rolling on this, think twice, you might end up feeling like a fool.

Comentado por 195160

I used this on KT after I picked it up and per the log 10% proc with an internal cooldown of about 15sec.

It ended up being around 2% of my total dmg which is just where Timbal's Focusing Crystal used to be. Over all great trinket for ANYONE who uses DoTs. I personally would favor SPriest, Affliction Locks, and DK's for it.

23:04'09.859 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Unstoppable Abomination #23 for 1258 Shadow.
23:04'52.448 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Soul Weaver #23 for 2946 Shadow. (Critical)
23:05'28.435 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1220 Shadow. (270 Resisted)
23:05'50.141 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1580 Shadow.
23:06'06.843 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1544 Shadow. (342 Resisted)
23:06'24.798 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1274 Shadow. (125 Resisted)
23:06'44.610 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 994 Shadow. (220 Resisted)
23:07'12.085 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1246 Shadow.
23:07'45.872 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 2726 Shadow. (Critical)
23:08'05.934 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1923 Shadow.
23:08'23.139 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1923 Shadow. (Critical)
23:08'57.337 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 2778 Shadow. (Critical)
23:09'20.050 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1869 Shadow.
23:09'35.744 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power misses Kel’Thuzad #3.
23:10'01.444 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1443 Shadow.
23:10'17.569 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1673 Shadow.
23:10'49.238 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1771 Shadow.

Comentado por 102489

Is this the best trinket for a affliction warlock in the game right now?

(I am not arguing about other classes, the question is, if I am affliciton warlock is this THE trinket I need to go for?)

Comentado por Bethink

I tested the trinket as an affliction warlock during a 465 seconds Kel'Thuzad fight. These are the resulting numbers:

15 hits, 1077 average
4 crits, 1761 average
4 misses

Total: 23213 damage over 465 seconds, 49.9 DPS

The numbers yield a proc rate of about once every 20 seconds which confirms the expected 15 second internal cooldown. (With 5 dots ticking, the expected proc rate would be 18 seconds with a perfect dot upkeep. Of course, a perfect dot upkeep can only be approximated in a real-world fight that involves some movement.)

The misses are due to +3% hit from talents not applying to the trinket. Still, this yields a solid +50 DPS from the proc in addition to the crit rating.

With my current gear, the crit rating is valued at about 60 DPS, yielding a total of 110 DPS for this trinket. This is about in line with the Dying Curse trinket (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40255) if you are no longer in need of hit. As long as you require the hit from Dying Curse to make the hit cap, Dying Curse is better by an estimated +30 DPS.

Comentado por LomaxGnome

This is not thottbot, or the general forums. Debate as to which class should use which item are pointless and stupid. Comments should be relevant to the function of the item, or some sort of useful information, not endless bickering that makes it hard to find the useful info. I strongly recommend everyone who reads this page downrate all of the pointless comments until it is clean.

Comentado por 264107

picked up this badboy last night for my Unholy DK. Rocks on trash pulls when i'm spreading diseases like unknown STD's, and even on single target bossfights it's taking a nice 2-3% of my damage, lots of crits, lots of procs, overall a VERY nice trinket.

I did feel the guilds warlocks die a little inside though, when i got it.

Comentado por 264246

Anyone know if this would work for dps warriors on our bleed dots? Are those considered spells? If so that's an awesome arms trinket.

Comentado por 186578

Does this trinket have an independent crit chance or is it based on yours?

Comentado por 20652

For reference, this proc benefits from a priest's Shadowform and Curse of Elements.

Comentado por Elvoran

According to this item, it'd work alongside Wandering Plague (so you'd get an empowered AoE tick), making it very useful for a Death Knight (most likely Unholy) who keeps up the Diseases and has sufficient Critical Strike rating to keep it ticking AoE-style. Are there anyone who can confirm this idea? Seeing as even though Blizzard isn't always a 100% correct on the Tooltips, it'd seem possible.

Comentado por 165486

What exactly constitutes a 'spell' as stated in the tooltip?

For example, would https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=49001#comments count, as it's not regarded as being in the physical school? Or is treated differently as a poison?

Hunters normally have Serpent Sting up constantly for the +10% damage bonus to Steady Shot (when glyphed). Rogues would have similar poison dots on a target. Could they proc this trinket as well?

Edit: I found a hunter with this and it does indeed proc from Serpent Sting dots, not sure about rogues though. Sorry casters.

Comentado por ThyFlame

Diminishing returns make it such that while affliction locks technically get the most out of it, there's not a noticeable difference from 4 dots and barely from 3.

Cba to do the math to illustrate this, atm.

Comentado por itsthejohnes

Also procs off Warrior Rend and Deep Wounds

Comentado por Vifor

Got this baby yesterday with just 2dkp on my rogue.
Proc on Garotte, Rupture and Deadly Poison ticks.
And it did a rough 2% of my dps during KT fight.

Comentado por wasniahC

I agree.. don't rate this last one down. While afflocks and spriests do benefit, saying that they benefit as much as or more than a fire/frostfire mage is laughable. I ain't bashing this trinket, but people do seem to be of the opinion that crit is the most important thing in the world for these classes when it ain't :p

As for the person who said about shadowbolts and haunt benefitting from crit..

As affl, you probably have the +50% crit bonus on them.. not +100%. So yeah, go figure. The crit ain't as useful.

As for the dot? 10% procc chance, every 15 seconds.. lets look at that.

Destr lock: Immolation, Corruption, CoA (molten core). Immolate and corruption every 3 secs, coa every 2, so thats an average of 1.166.. ticks per second. This works out at an expected Don't flame me for saying average plx time for procc of 8.57 after the 15 seconds - every 23.57 seconds

Afflock (Without CoA): Corruption, Siphon Life, UA: 1 tick per second, expected procc time of 10 secs after the 15 - every 25 seconds
Afflock (with CoA): 1.5 ticks per second, expected procc time of 6.66.. seconds after cd - every 21.66.. seconds.

Lets see values for other classes.

Death Knight: Blood Plague/Frost Fever: 0.66.. ticks per second, works out at 15 extra seconds - expected procc time of 30 seconds.
With death and decay or unholy blight: 1.66.. ticks per second single target. Already more than an afflock.
With both? 2.66.. ticks per second. And those are aoe.

You can imagine the numbers from consecration as well, though I doubt its that useful for that crit on a protadin. Ret don't use consecration much right? :p

Fire mage, for reasons stated above, hard to calculate the effect of this. The dots are inconsistent, applied often.

Druids would be 0.66.. ticks per second, works out at 15 extra seconds - expected procc time of 30 seconds. So not that great for them. However, they need the crit more than many classes; often underlooked, crits offer them mana back and faster casts.

Comentado por 215134

Good for warlocks, does this occur at SoV?

Comentado por Jaredius

Very useful for any class that has DOTs. Rogues in particular should not pass this up as our Rupture and Deadly Poison should always be ticking... possibly more often than other classes DOTs. The passive crit is incredible also. The only thing bad about this trinket for us is having to explain to those who lack understanding and comprehension that Rogues have DOTs and I am rolling on this.

Comentado por 46059

By Torgier 3 days ago (Patch 3.0.3)

"I have more dots so it will proc more"...
No. With an internal CD the number of procs is cut down to a ppm which will be pretty much universal for every class assuming they keep their dots up.

While I do agree with you that anyone with dots can keep this up fairly well, the more DoTs you do have will greatly increase the PPM you will get. I mean if I were a class with 1 or 2 dots ticking every 3 seconds, I'm sure their chances of a proc will be bit lower than say a warlock with 6 dots ticking every 2-3 seconds.

Comentado por Grenadieris

I would like to stress the fact that this beauty is really good for a Balance Druid, as mentioned before. Don't let anyone tell you that SW priests, Warlocks etc. deserve it more.
It is true that they have more dots etc., but I like to look at it primary as Crit trinket (Natures Grace, Eclipse, anyone?).
Currently the best Caster DPS Crit trinket there is. Pure DPS. All others have different abilities, mana restore etc., but this one is pure killer.

Comentado por Tipsey

Incorrect. The "ppm" he's talking about is the internal cooldown on the proc effect. It doesn't make any difference as to how many DoTs you have ticking away on the enemy, they'll only proc the effect once every 15-20 seconds. Thus, it doesn't matter the class, as long as you have a DoT ticking away, it will proc at the same rate.

You sir are also incorrect. If you read the tooltip you would notice that there is a 10% proc chance.
If it had a 100% proc chance and you had one dot that ticked every 15 seconds then you would get the same benefit as someone with 100 dots ticking every second, however the lower the proc rate goes the more benefit there is to having multiple dots ticking more frequently.

Comentado por 46059

however the lower the proc rate goes the more benefit there is to having multiple dots ticking more frequently.

This is what I was saying in my post. I know there is an internal cooldown, I know there is a 10% proc chance off of each dot. I was only saying that someone that has more dots ticking within let's say a 5 second window, they will have a much higher chance of getting the proc to actually happen.

I mean if there was a caster with 1 dot that ticked every 3 seconds, a 10% proc chance means he might not even see a proc for 30-40 seconds. But if you have a caster with 5 or 6 dots all ticking every 3 seconds, they will be much closer to the internal CD and getting another proc immediately after the internal CD is back up. (Every 15-20 seconds)

Comentado por 127459

Enter token ret pally.

Now that ret paladins have a DoT (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53384) which is constantly up in a raid, and is rarely overwritten before it ticks (due to proccing off two abilities with long CDs), wouldn't this be useful for this class as well? Glancing over meters from Naxx25 last night, I am always at the top of the "DoT uptime" meter, so it would be safe to say that I would benefit greatly from a DoT augmentation.

On that note, I'm uncertain as to whether this would proc off consecration, being that it's not a DoT applied directly to a hostile, but rather a ground affect much like Death and Decay. Any insight?

Comentado por foam

On that note, I'm uncertain as to whether this would proc off consecration, being that it's not a DoT applied directly to a hostile, but rather a ground affect much like Death and Decay. Any insight?

Assuming this behaves similar to the old Timball trinket, it will indeed proc off of our Consecrate.

Comentado por Trevar

I'm a shadow priest and I was wondering does Mind Flay do "periodic damage"?

If there is a group of 100 mobs and I Mind Flay one, will this have 99 chances to proc each tick? When it does proc from Mind Flay, will not not be able to proc again for a time on ANYTHING else because of an internal cooldown, or just that specific mob won't be procced again? I am wondering, if I am Mind Flaying, and it procs, will it send the shadowy bolt to EVERY target? How exactly does this work with Mind Flay?

Comentado por 75340

Anybody know if this works with a hunter's serpent sting?

Comentado por Darkomicron

Mindflay is not periodic damage, as far as i know. So it wont proc of this trinket.

The internal cooldown is 15 seconds, so that means: Once it procs, it wont proc for another 15 seconds, then it will be able to proc again.

It wont send a shadowbolt to every target, it states that additional damage will be dealt, so it will be dealt to the same target, you were damaging with your (Mindflay) dots

Comentado por DiamondDraenei

I play a Shadow Priest on Boulderfist US. I picked this up last week, and it is truly fantastic. I was using Embrace of the Spider previously, and this trinket definitely has caused a significant, noticeable increase in my DPS after last night's Naxx.

Incidentally, I beat a Warlock and a DK on the roll. Would have been fantastic for any of us. Good luck to all.

Comentado por 271578

just as a note to everyone who has this trinket, this can proc off of engulf flames on malygos phase 3, just a small fact that I'd like to put out there :P

Comentado por 302489

As a Boomkin who takes care to keep his Moonfires/Insect Swarms ticking, I was quite distressed to lose the roll on this to an Elemental Shaman.

To all Ele Shammys out there, seriously? Seriously? Can you guys really put this trinket to better use than me? All I can think of is Flame Shock, and that can't be justification enough... I'm actually curious, if it really is an awesome and equally useful trinket for ele's I'll humbly accept my defeat to the RNG.

P.S. does Starfall and Hurricane count as periodic too? I'm not actually sure, seems like they could be either.

edit: maybe this seems like a little too much QQ. Im really just wondering how viable this is for ele shammies, ignore the comparison to boomkins.

Comentado por 156600

Simple they usually have 3 dots ticking (DP, SW:P, VT) all which crit

You sir, are wrong.

Comentado por 147490

Taken from the best-in-slot trinket list of an Affliction Warlock thread: http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t37900-dots_you_affliction_warlock_thread/

is a sad case: With spell power, it would be a nice trinket, but like this, the "new timbals" just does not kick it. It is a good pvp-trinket, though (keeps people in combat).
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12. (Naxx25) 36 dps + proc(+60 dps) = 96 dps

There's a math part in the post, but the numbers are probably based on this information earlier on in the thread:

For a naxxramas starter gear, the stat-to-dps ratios of these are:
(these rates may be slightly different from the ones in the math part as I am constantly improving the calculation but won't update the item comparison every time I do so).
10 hit rating = 14.07 dps
10 spell power = 13.12 dps
10 haste rating = 5.48 dps
10 crit rating = 3.75 dps
10 spirit = 4.33 dps
10 int = 1.14 dps

Don't misunderstand my post as "affl0x cant roll on the item!", I'm just saying you shouldn't overestimate the trinket.

Edit: The above info is pre 3.1, so the numbers have changed, but it's still a poor trinket (now 14th best trinket in game).

Comentado por 10334

A few things that might tilt the scales in favor of this item:

Comentado por Boomber

Im wondering how good it realy is for FF-mages. Im very in doubt how strong this trinket realy is. Ive heard it works like the magister trinket used to be and give plus damage to shadowpreist in shadowform.

so bassicly the trinket does as follow correct me if im wrong:

It has a 10% proc change of dots ticking
It has a internal cooldown of 15 seconds
It can crit and it scales with crit-rating
It scales with shadowpriest shadowform (the shadowbolt it cast)
And im unsure about if the shadowbolt crit, it will apply the "Improved shadowbolt" debuff from warlocks?
And it also does something for Death knights that im unsure how works

According to rawr this is not very strong for FF mages but im wordering if rawr calculate it right. Rawr tells me that the 3 best trinkes is: 1: Illustration of the Dragon Soul 2: Sundial of the Exiled and 3rd very close to 2 tho: Embrace of the Spider

And this trinket is way way down on the list. But as said above it scales with crit. And FF mages has alot of crit. I run around with 50^% ~ crits in raids. (combustion aswell) So it would crit alot for me. And the dots will also tick nonstop from mages: FFB dot, Pyro dot, ignite dot and LB dot.

So my question is will this trinket gets better the better gear you get or will it get worse?
And how good is it for a frostfire mage? (better than the 3 above or worse?)

Im sure there is some elite jerk out there caclulating like a mad man that can provide me with a straight forward answer. :)

Comentado por hadesx

Assume this would proc using my Serpents Sting on my Hunter...
Anyone tested this?

Comentado por Scammich

I have read that his does proc on druid bleeds as well and would make a decent Kitty trinket. I would defer to any crit heavy class with a constant dot (Boomkin perhaps), but would grab this up to play with if no one was interested.

The internal cooldown is what seems to make this trink less desireable to rogues, kitty's and warriors, but the crit on this is insane in and of itself, getting procced extra damage is just the icing. And since Kitty's will always always have rip and rake up, this should do some nice extra damage for them.

Comentado por 158255

From a hunter perspective, this trinket is a pain in the xxx. +95 crit is awesome, proc damage is very nice, 10% proc rate kills all its beauty lol. This would proc much less than it would for a dot heavy class since our only dot serpent sting is ticking every 3 secs.

In the end, I would never roll over a lock, rouge, druid or warrior.

But I am disappointed cuz the white dps version of this, bandit's insignia, has 190AP instead of 95 Crit. And it has a 45 sec cooldown instead of 15. It really sucks compared to this trinket.

lol @ ppl who think 95 crit = 190 ap
lol @ 3 times longer hidden cooldown for 2 times higher damage.

If Ulduar comes out late and this trinket drops down to the going to the guildbank phase, i will bid and try it.

Comentado por Arinaya

Okay, I am not even going to join the debate on who can/should get this. I just would like to know how many drakes have to be up for this to drop, or if it drops without any drakes up. Sorry if it was already said, but I read all the comments and didn't see anything.

Comentado por 331462

How about the death knight ability "Unholy Blight?" since it's an aura that applies dots to enemies around you. And Death and decay?

Comentado por 34989

anyone that has one of these know if it recieved buffs on 3.1 PTR?

Comentado por 201757

Does anyone know if as a Shadow Priest:

• When fighting multiple mobs and a Death Knight uses pestilence to spread your Devouring Plague to all the mobs, if the trinket procs from a Devouring Plague tick, if it will strike all the mobs (similar to when Mind Sear crits, it crits on all mobs at once).

• If this trinket will proc from channeled spells, such as Mind Sear and Mind Flay.

Thanks.

Comentado por 336186

If anyone thinks this item is actually "good" for a mage, they are sadly mistaken.

It being my main, our dot's (ignite tick, FFB / FB tick, LB tick) aren't substantial enough to worry about having an additional dot put on them.

The two best in slots are Dying Curse and Illustration of the Dragon Soul, we benefit much more off the raw Spell Power rather than the 2% crit off this item. If you're a FFB mage, you should be sitting at a high enough crit chance to not have to worry about having the 2% off this item.

All in all, leave this for the Warlocks and Spriests, this item doesn't benefit mages nearly enough for us to roll on it.

Comentado por 271657

At patch 3.10 this will be more beneficial for shadow priests since their DOTs can now crit while theyre in shadowform

Comentado por 243470

just gonna say it now This trinket screams afflic lock... really think about it... afflic locks DoT's last longer than any class and carry most types... ex. UA, SL, CoA, Immolate, Corruption, Death coil, Drain life, Drain soul, along with then benefit of haunt increasing dmg from all of these.. only talents afflic locks have for direct dmg.. Shadowbolt which is used most.. incinerate..rarely used by afflic, searing pain. never used on raid bosses by afflic, soulfire <--- most worthless spell.. so that pretty much leaves just shadowbolt.. every other spell is a DoT .. Afflic locks deserve this trinket more than the other classes..imo

Comentado por 274550

Every class has their own dots , this trinket might not be good for some but saying that this trinket is better for affliction over any class is really a load of bullcrap. And so what if dots can crit? Dots are such a small percentage of our dmg that if they crit or not won't matter. So if you really think this is best for your class even thou it's good for others, then others might not be willing to bid as much as you, which i really doubt.
Really nice for a destruction lock if you're aiming for it.

Comentado por Vouksh

Been using this on my shadow priest for a couple days now, and I must say that i love it. Full cleared naxx last night, and I noticed a good 2% dmg increase with this equipped over the Sundial of the Exiled. My other trinket is the Dying Curse, and I also have the Lightweave Embroidery, and I have to say it provides a nice synergy. All procs, allowing me to focus wholly on my dps as well as the fight in general (ie, not standing in fire =P).

We also had it drop again last night, and we gave it to our boomkin, and he also notice a 1.8% dmg increase, though he hasn't done much comparison with the Sundial of the Exiled for himself.

So obviously, this is very good for classes that have a few different DoT effects that have a consistent uptime (ie, Warlock, Shadow Priest, Balance Druid) so they can have it proc every time the internal CD is up.

Overall, a very nice trinket.

Comentado por 264639

For all those asking how this can benefit an afflic lock, let me try to help by showing you the afflic talent which makes crit useful for us

Pandemic Rank 3

Each time you deal damage with Corruption or Unstable Affliction, you have a chance equal to your spell critical strike chance to deal 100% additional damage.

Comentado por 337936

10% chance of proc
15 second cooldown

Our raid group's rule on this trinket is that you must be a class that has at least 4 DoTs on the boss for 100% of the fight to even get full benefit of this trinket. That generally rules out everyone but shadow priests and affliction warlocks.

Comentado por Myrhal

Ok... Just because everyone's Hunter-like arguments over who should get this amuse the hell out of me, I felt I should add my two cents. According to MaxDPS.com this Trikent breaks down for DPS by class and build as follows:
Afflic Lock - 64.58 DPS
SPriest - 82.48 DPS
Fury War - 56.08 DPS
Fire Mage - 109.07 DPS
Combat Rogue - 33.17 DPS
Hunter - 25.69 DPS
Unholy DK - 87.8 DPS
Druids did not have it listed though I am sure it would be nice for them.

So, obviously it is definitely a Huntard Trinket!

In truth, if it is an improvement over your current trinket, I say you should have a shot at it no matter what the class.

Comentado por 162811

Would this proc off of Blizzard/Arcane Missiles or does it only proc off of spells that apply a debuff to the target which then deals dmg?

Comentado por 175673

This trinket will not proc off of ebon plaguebinger/crypt fever as it does not deal damage, nor will it proc off of UB or DnD as neither of these effects are DoTs.

But it will proc off of Blood Plague and Frost Fever as those are dots.

Comentado por Myrhal

Well, the point I was making is it is not a trinket especially for any one class. In the end I feel that if it is an improvement for that person then they should have a shot at it. Now, each guild has their own way of spreading out loot. Some guilds only want specific classes rolling first for specific gear. So, people's complaining about getting rolled against for it, or making the case for it to only go to this or that class should be directed at their guild/raid since I definitely have no input on whether or not they get to roll for anything. :)

Oh, one last thing. If after the new patch hunters get a good use out of it that's cool. I only used them as examples, as like in almost every forum for an item you see about 5-10 hunters talking about something is a hunter item and no one else should roll for it. For my raid, if a hunter could get more use out of it than anyone else wanting it, I'd give it to him. But, for this item almost every class gets a pretty good use out of it. So, I guess that is why people feel so strongly about it. All the competition.

Comentado por Kuja

procs from paladin's conceration

Comentado por Arynna

it also procs from a paladins Righteous Vengeance DoT effect.

Assuming it procs from Consecration is a safe bet also.

Comentado por Denamic

I like this trinket because it makes me giggle when I kill someone in PvP with it.

Comentado por Idocreating

I'm assuming this will proc off a Retribution Paladin's Righteous Vengeance, but will it proc off Consecration considering it's an AoE effect that applies damage like a DoT rather than being an actual DoT.

And will it proc off Death and Decay considering that DnD puts a debuff on anyone in it?

Comentado por 312797

Is this any good for Tankadins? Seal of Vengeance is a great stacking DoT so it seems like this would provide good extra tps if you don't need stats, although not having an "oh #$%^ button would be a downer"

Comentado por 275504

This and Darkmoon Card: Death on an unholy/frost dk for pvp, i know you can get 5k crits with death card due to the increase to shadow damage from dk talents, but what about this one? if so, 8-10k burst procs for pvp (that's assuming both crit, and around the same time)

Comentado por 403975

I've been looking at trinkets lately and saw another one similar to this one Darkmoon Card: Death. I was wondering which trinket gets better dps because on one side you get 10 crit rating and on the other side you get about an extra 1K dmg per proc. Just wanted peoples opinions on this.

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Question: As a shadow priest I currently use Dying Curse and Eye of the Broodmother. Can I justify replacing one of those with the Extract of Necromantic Power? Or should I try and move some items around so I can replace Dying Curse?

Comentado por 285678

how does it works with Darkmoon Card: Death?
do they have shared cd or not?

Comentado por 240652

Feral druids: both rip and rake will cause this to proc. The proc was 1.8% of my DPS in a brief target dummy test. Very nice trinket for feral dps.

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