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This talent has is has been changed to a 3 point talent build (with 30% reductions) from its older 2 point talent build (with 20% reductions). The 30% despell reduction is quite valuable like most talents of this nature, for a Ret-Paladin it's aimed more towards non-Seals like Blessing spells for example since they have Sanctified Seals. The 30% stun reduction helps with PVP encounters aimed towards heavy stun use.

A good PVE, but mainly a PVP talent.

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I agree with the comment above, good for PVE but its mainly for PVP.

It's also only 3 points and it's early in the tree. Having stun effects cut down is always nice.

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Question: Does this talent prevent spellsteal?

Protadin의 댓글

Would the stun resist apply on bosses such as Maexxna's web spray or even trash stuns like in abom wing?

Ixio의 댓글

Question: Does this talent prevent spellsteal?

My guess would be that Spellsteal uses the same mechanics as Dispel, making this talent a 30% chance to resist Spellsteal.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

483566의 댓글

With https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=41397#comments:id=886443 combined with this talent would give a significant advantage in PVP for paladins. Rouges' stuns barely last a few seconds since the talent and the gem would stack multiplicatively with each other

for instance a 5 CP kidney shot against a paladin with -30% stun duration talent and -10% stun duration meta gem.

thats 6 seconds of stun initially so
6 * 0.7 * 0.9 = 3.78 seconds

big BIG difference...

80922의 댓글

you guys r forgetting the 2nd part of this talent witch is actually the cause of some frustrations cuz the 30% reduce dispel causes dispel mechanic to fail dispelling divine plea but even worse if you a mass dispel doesn't remove bubble trough bad rng a match that would have been lost can turn into a match where chance r equal again.
It has been argued that this shuld be removed or changed or so this due to the high rng effect id say thats understandable all things considering.

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I'm sorry, but most readers here at WowHead enjoy reading legible English, much like this post and post above your own are. I will, however, do my best at a translation.

You guys are forgetting the second part of this talent, which is actually the cause of some frustrations as the 30% reduced dispel chance causes the dispel mechanic to fail dispelling Divine Plea.

Even worse is if a Mass Dispel does not remove your bubble due to bad RNG, a match that would have been lost can turn into a match where the chance is equal again.

It has been argued that this should be removed or changed due to the high RNG, I'd say that's understandable, all things considering.

Now that I can read and understand your comment (for the most part), I can actually begin to reply. From what I understand you don't think Stoicism is good because, if a Priest uses Mass Dispel on you whilst you are bubbled, the bubble may be dispelled as opposed to the Divine Plea or another less important buff. Or you think it's "too good" because Mass Dispel may fail.

If your point was the former then it is null and void, due to the way Mass Dispel works. Mass Dispel will always target buffs that are normally classed as "undispellable". The "bubble" spells (Divine Shield, Divine Protection, Hand of Protection) cannot be dispelled by "normal" means (such as through a Shaman's Purge), the only way to get rid of these spells is by a Mass Dispel or a Shattering Throw. The former of the two will always target bubbles first before targeting other spells.

If your point was the former then really, your point is null and void only because Paladins aren't the only class with such a skill. Mages, last I checked had one, and warlocks and death knights have talents that reduce the chance of their DoTs/diseases being dispelled successfully (though I do wonder if Mass Dispel will still dispel diseases if the target is affected with the Unholy Blight change that came about in 3.3.3, but that's another story).

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Stun effects reduction table:
(Stun reductions used: Orc Racial, Protection Paladin Talent, Arms Warrior Talent, Discipline Priest Talent, Unholy Death Knight Talent & Meta Gem)

Sap
10 seconds = Original duration
8.5 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
8.0 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
7.2 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
7.0 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
6.8 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
6.0 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
5.8 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Hammer of Justice & Kidney Shot (5 CP)
6.0 seconds = Original duration
5.1 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
4.8 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
4.3 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
4.2 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
4.1 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
3.6 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
3.5 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Maim (5 CP), Concussion Blow & Deep Freeze
5.0 seconds = Original duration
4.3 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
4.0 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
3.6 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
3.5 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
3.4 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
3.0 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.9 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Cheap Shot, Shockwave & Bash
4.0 seconds = Original duration
3.4 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
3.2 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
2.9 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.8 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
2.7 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
2.4 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.3 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Intercept, Shadowfury, Pounce, Demon Charge, Intercept (Pet), Intimidation (Pet) & Gnaw (Pet)
3.0 seconds = Original duration
2.6 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.4 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
2.2 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.1 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
2.0 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.8 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.7 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

War Stomp, Inferno, Impact, Ravage (Pet) & Sonic Blast (Pet)
2.0 seconds = Original duration
1.7 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.6 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.5 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.4 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
1.4 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.2 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.2 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Charge
1.5 seconds = Original duration
1.3 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.2 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.1 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.1 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
1.0 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
0.9 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
0.9 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Should be right. Correct me if wrong, or if I forgot something. Note that these are rounded numbers, so kindly don't nitpick about that.

PS. Didn't add Ferocity Hunter pets with the talent Lionhearted because there's already enough information on here as is, and didn't want to bloat it further. So, Hunters, just multiply the original duration of the stun you want to know about with .7 (last rank) and you'll see how much reduction it gives.

Hopefully this helps a bit.

Yours truly,
*signs*

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효과 #1

Apply Aura: Mod Mechanic Duration % (기절함)
값: -30%
PvP 배율: 1
영향 받는 주문들:

	기원의 오라	기원의 오라	기원의 오라
	응보의 오라	기원의 오라	기원의 오라
	기원의 오라	기원의 오라	응보의 오라
	응보의 오라	응보의 오라	응보의 오라
	집중의 오라	암흑 저항의 오라	냉기 저항의 오라
	화염 저항의 오라	암흑 저항의 오라	암흑 저항의 오라
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	냉기 저항의 오라	냉기 저항의 오라	화염 저항의 오라
	화염 저항의 오라	기원의 오라	응보의 오라
	암흑 저항의 오라	냉기 저항의 오라	화염 저항의 오라
	성전사의 오라	기원의 오라	기원의 오라
	암흑 저항의 오라	냉기 저항의 오라	화염 저항의 오라
	응보의 오라

효과 #2

Apply Aura: Modifies Dispel Resist Chance (28)
값: 30
PvP 배율: 1
영향 받는 주문들:

	신의 가호	천상의 보호막	보호의 손길
	구원의 손길	자유의 손길	보호의 손길
	희생의 손길	보호의 손길	힘의 축복
	지혜의 축복	힘의 축복	힘의 축복
	힘의 축복	힘의 축복	힘의 축복
	지혜의 축복	지혜의 축복	지혜의 축복
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	지혜의 축복	정의의 문장	응징의 문장
	빛의 문장	지혜의 문장	왕의 축복
	정의의 문장	지혜의 축복	힘의 축복
	정의의 격노	상급 힘의 축복	상급 지혜의 축복
	상급 왕의 축복	상급 성역의 축복	상급 힘의 축복
	상급 지혜의 축복	힘의 축복	상급 힘의 축복
	지혜의 축복	상급 지혜의 축복	복수의 문장
	응징의 격노	힘의 축복	힘의 축복
	상급 힘의 축복	상급 힘의 축복	지혜의 축복
	지혜의 축복	상급 지혜의 축복	상급 지혜의 축복
	성스러운 보호막	타락의 문장	신성한 기도
	타락의 문장	피의 타락	신의 은총
	지휘의 문장	성역의 축복	신성한 방패
	신성한 방패	신성한 방패	신성한 방패
	신의 계시	신성한 방패	신성한 방패
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