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Comment by Toldry

Since Agility and Armor penetration aren't the best stats for a Death Knight or Paladins, You'd probably want to get something else.

Edit: Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Comment by 169709

This looks like the first real polearm to be created with druids in mind. The stamina boost from gemming makes me think more druid than hunter. Anyways, I would think of this as more of a tanking weapon, but it would work well for either bear or cat.

Comment by 242421

yay! another hunter weapon to go with the other like FOUR being introduced in the next patch.... sweet.
now wheres the melee weapons for the melee classes?

Comment by 293398

Drops in Ulduar10, from boss named Thorim

Comment by DarkKnightX

Check WWS reports to see what the second and third overall damage-dealing attacks are for Blood DK's and Rets. If you said "white damage", you are correct. ArP affects it moreso now.

Comment by 238470

Exactly as DarkKnight says, especially for Retribution Paladins. In Ulduar10 last Saturday night, White dmg was around 40% of our overall dps for a 2 hour run. It'd benefit the DK more as they have a greater array of melee hits that don't completely ignore armor, but would still be good for Retribution.

Plus the added socket, throw a +16 str gem in there, or if you're a JC get your nice, fat +27 str gem in there and it's all good.

Comment by wingman

Both Rets and DK's would get a ton more mileage out of one of the strength weapons though.

Comment by 5385

Consider the available tanking weapons for a 10-man feral druid: There are effectively 8. In this comparison the first score is the 3.0 weight, where armor on a weapon was multiplied by talents, the second score is using the pre-SD weights considering the blue socket and bonus, and the third score is weighted with crit and ap weighted as mitigation stats (to consider Savage Defense) and flat bonus armor.

When considering Savage Defense, and the socket filled with a 24 stam gem, this is the best in slot feral tanking weapon for this tier of 10-man content. Obviously, there are upgrades from the 25-man zones. It should come as no surprise that Blizzard would try to fill this talent-change itemization gap in the new tier of content by providing a dual-use socket item. (For more evidence that Blizzard is pushing an agi-crit-stam-ap itemization for feral tanks, see the custom built https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=45212)

Caveat: Savage Defense varies greatly as a mitigation tool depending on how hard you're getting hit, how often you're getting hit, how many mobs are hitting you, how often you crit, what your buffed AP is like, etc. I'd like to think though, that Blizzard is making the 219 gear from end bosses in Ulduar better than entry-level raids, or daily-farming. We'll see.

Comment by 263674

Looking at this compared to Black Ice, it would quite likely seem that the choice of this two weapons for a hunter comes down to spec mostly and what stats you need more. That socket you can throw in a nice agility gem but it would seem that haste would be better for a survival hunter from Black Ice compared to ArP.

Comment by Xokati

You will be suprised but i like this weapon as Frost tank DK.
Why?
Agi gives more avoidance than str. Parry cost vs. Dodge cost. It gives alot more avoidance than any str weapon.
Losing str is not a big deal when we look at aggro - 138AP is like ~69str(didnt calculate BoK etc. ) and agi gives some + crit.
It has 116 stamina, its not soo much but it still some solid value.

In my opinion its best 219 ilvl tanking weapon for DK, i didnt compared it with hard mdoe ulduar10 weapons.

Comment by Supercool

If you can make full use of the hit rating, for an Arms warrior, this is on par with Betrayer of Humanity, even with the lower-ilvl.

Part of this is the itemization. It's slower, with a similar damage range, although less overall DPS, spends fewer stat points on stamina, and has better stats. You may need to gear around Hoperender's hit, but BoH's haste will always be wasted on Arms, where it's the bottom of the barrel for dps stats.

Comment by 58191

Great polearm for a MM Hunter, especially now that Armor Penetration is a much better stat for the spec. Good upgrade over https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40497 as the loss of Agi and Stam are negligible at best due to the socket. the loss of hit over the Black Ice shouldn't be too much of a problem either since +hit on gear is abundant in Ulduar.

Can use a straight +16 Agi gem or if you need to fulfill a meta requirement, then use the purple Agi/Stam gem and net yourself a small amount of health. Not the best socket bonus by any means, but again, if you need the meta requirement, then it's a small consolation 'prize'...maybe. :p

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Hoperender

	Phase 2

Item Level 225
Binds when picked up

Two-Hand	Polearm

619 - 930 Damage	Speed 3.50

(221.29 damage per second)
+112 Agility
+91 Stamina

Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +6 Stamina

Durability 120 / 120

Requires Level 80
Increases attack power by 2331 in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms only.
Equip: Improves hit rating by 66.
Equip: Increases attack power by 146.
Equip: Increases your armor penetration by 83.

Sell Price: 26 43 17

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