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Commento di MeanMachine

I see one potentially great use of this talent -- resist fights. Think about it - in PvE fights when you have to stack resistance to avoid enemy spells constantly, this talent alone could make up for the loss of damage cause by switching gear.

This would also have its uses in PvP, albeit limited. Oh, how I'd love to resist a Soul Fire!

Commento di d3nyd

Jesus Christ. 1.5 second Pyroblast. God help us all.

Commento di 171879

First pyroblast , 5 sec cast
Second fiery payback, when you're below %35 health, pyroblat's cast time is reduced by 3.5 sec
5 - 3.5 sec = 1.5 sec pyroblasts, when you're below %35. Seems very good.

But can we trigger this on our own? Seems so.

Let's assume we got a total of 9636 hp. 6230 hp comes from the gear (which gear has a total of 641 stamina on it)
9636 - 6230 = 3406 hp, which is the base hp for a lvl 70 undead mage ( at least my mages)

3406 hp is %35.4 of our total 9636 hp.

So this means, before enganging an enemy, if you take out all your gear, you'll drop to your base hp of 3406 and when you re-equip your normal pvp gear with 641 stamina, your total hp pool will be again 9636, where your current hp is still 3406.

After taking out all gear and re-equpping;
Current hp: 3406
Total hp pool: 9636
Where your current hp is %35.4 of your pool. We'are very near to trigger the fieary payback. We can just adjust our gear to get below %35 limit (by not using one of greatest STA giving gear) or using easly obtainable items like;

* https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=6440
* https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=1974
* https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=4462
* https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=2621
* https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=2944
* https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=4746

These items can be obtained from lvl40-50 dungeons and are easy to obtain. When they use all of them you'll get -38 STA penalty, which means, -380 hp.

Let's recalculate our math;

* On our gear we had 9636 hp
* We take out all our gear and equip the penaly items which our hp will drop to 3406 - 380 = 3026
* We re-equip to our normal gear and get a total hp pool of 9636
* Our current hp will be around %31. 4

Yes so we have triggered fiery payback at our own and can start firing 1.5 sec pyroblasts to our victim!

update:

This can be also used in 5man dungeons or raids just before starting the combat or during the combat where,boss is just a tank & spank boss where raid nearly never gets damage. We had boss fights this way before, we can have in the WoTLK also.

About mana issue: Taking out your gear will also affect your mana pool and your mana will drop. This is an issue, consuming a gem right after the act may get you some mana especially for the PvPsituation, but for PvE mana will be a big issue.

This is a theorcrafy, where it has advantages and disadvantages. I'm just trying to figure out people that mages (we) can just trigger this if we want.

My main blog post about it: http://www.huseyinuslu.net/gaming/wow-gaming/wotlk-theorycraft-pyroblast-fiery-payback-and-you/

Commento di DerSquirrel

How will you know when this is active? Do you get a buff?

Commento di arkov

With the current WotLK talent tree it isn't possible to grab both Presence of Mind and Living Bomb. This talent allows you to go deep fire for Living Bomb and still have a use for Pyroblast in PvP. I very much hope that this talent remains intact.

Commento di LoKHor

See it in action before the nerf: http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=bxNcl22G8cA&feature=related

LoKHor

Commento di 188099

Someone bring out the nerfbat!

Commento di hypehuman

Hmmm... it seems like this talent would REDUCE the total number of pyroblasts you could get off per minute (assuming you're spamming it). However, this is more than made up for by the fact that you can cast other spells while it's cooling down. Overall, a neat talent.

Commento di eromrab

So, is this worth the talent points? I've been playing a firemage since the talent tree updates and I gotta say that this seems like it COULD be pretty nice... I dunno if I can imagine casting a pyroblast when I'm about to die though...

Commento di 243284

Imo yes, I'm speced for this and it's a lifesaver. Criting for 3.8k can really turn the tide in battle.

If you're about to die, blink so they don't know where you are, then by using your mouse, quickly turn to their direction and start casting, they hate that.

As soon as I blink, I click both mouse buttons, it only takes .2 seconds and I already have my finger on the "1" key which casts pyro.

That's my opinion. gl

Commento di specterk

For the sake of completion only, it's worth mentioning that this talent can potentially increase your total *effective* health by 7% (0.35 x 0.20); so if you're at 10k health, taking this talent means (possibly only in certain circumstances, details below) you'd actually have to take a total of 10.7k raw health damage to be killed.

Explanation: I haven't successfully tested whether or not the condition for this effect is actually activated by dropping below 35% health, or by taking damage at least equal to 35% of your max health, or by both; meaning if you take one sudden chunk of damage that would drop you from (above 35%) directly to 0%, I can't verify whether or not you would benefit from the extra damage reduction in that scenario. It is my suspicion that they would normalize all mechanics which give damage reduction based on health to work the same way as Cheat Death, in which case it would make sense that you *would* receive the damage reduction, even if the damage received would kill you outright without it (or even if it does in fact kill you!).

Anyone tested this conclusively?

That scenario aside, I personally found the actual effect on pyroblast to be only marginally useful, and have only ever had the chance to use it after making some no-brain error or another in arena or world pvp - which generally results in death anyway. If you're unfortunate enough to get hammered in close quarters to the point that your health drops this significantly, you're probably in real danger of dying--whether because you don't play on your toes or simply because you got jumped--and a 1.5s nuke should be the last thing on your mind with blast wave/dragon's breath/fire blast/instant flamestrike (via firestarter) available.

In addition, this talent is useless in PvE for even an average mage, barring a possible scenario where you could *safely* sustain <35% health for extended periods of time, or possibly using it to cut down very slightly on grind time (saving you a few seconds off your pyro openers - though frankly, when I'm grinding mobs that I can kill fast enough to worry about pinching seconds, opening with a pyro tends to be wasteful overkill, and I suspect the loss to efficiency would eventually exceed the time gained by the slight dps burst).

I'd be fascinated to hear about any inventive, situational uses for this skill that people have cooked up, though.

Commento di 243284

You're right, this is not for those who would want to PvE.
You make your healers nervous staying that low in health just so you can have a 1.5sec cast on Pyrobast.

This is strickly for PvP use.

Commento di 68844

Its the last stand attack. Go all out or go down.

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Fiery Payback

Fiery Payback

When below 35% health all damage taken is reduced by 20% and your Pyroblast spell's cast time is reduced by 3.5 secs while the cooldown is increased by 5 secs.

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Effetto #1

Apply Aura: Mod % Damage Taken (Arcano, Fisico, Fuoco, Gelo, Natura, Ombra, Sacro)
Valore: -20%
[PVP Multiplier: ]1
Incantesimi Interessati:

	Molten Armor		Molten Armor		Molten Armor
	Molten Armor

Effetto #2

Apply Aura: Modifies Cast Time (10)
Valore: -3.5 secondi
[PVP Multiplier: ]1
Incantesimi Interessati:

Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast
Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast
Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast
Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast

Effetto #3

Apply Aura: Modifies Cooldown (11)
Valore: 5 secondi
[PVP Multiplier: ]1
Incantesimi Interessati:

Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast
Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast
Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast
Pyroblast	Pyroblast	Pyroblast

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