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Commento di 2OfDiamonds

A green dragon being corrupted/destroyed/turned/ -- in the ICC raid.

She starts out at 50% and you have to heal her to full while your raid has to deal with all sorts of minions arthas sends to stop you.

Looks like a fun fight!

Commento di Gnoktish

ohh boy! We healers now have a bigger part of this raid. my priest is gonna have a lot of fun saving her!

Commento di 388951

So, the healers are the dps? Sounds awesome. I wonder if you can cast Beacon of Light on her.

Commento di 60430

Looking like it's not possible for any non-directly targeted spells to work on her. Prayer of Mending won't bounce to her, Chain Heal won't chain to her and Beacon won't heal her.

Commento di thecrius

obviously not, cause she's not in your raid/party.

Commento di Vorph

This is finally a brand new subject to boss fights. The "former hero, now corrupted villain" cliché was starting to fed people up badly, despite the fact that we have another encounter about that, it can be forgiven because of the character that's been corrupted.

Commento di 488165

Well, this seems to be an interesting fight, finally something different and fresh. I got tired of all that "DPS: stick your dagger in this, tank: tank, healer: well, heal". I hope we see more of this in future patches/ expansions....Variety is the spice of life.

Commento di 469068

Considering Beacon is castable on any healable (and buffable) target, I forsee healadins being VERY useful on this fight - Chain Heal, Wild Growth, and Circle of Healing will all have to target her to heal both her AND the raid, while healadins can heal whoever they want and still make a large contribution to the fight - in other words, only if the raid members are within 15 yards of Valithria will it make the AoE spells viable.

In short, healadins ftw.

EDIT: Kinda confused about why I was downrated - beacon isn't party only... so, y'know, I don't really get what I was wrong about.

Commento di petre

Note that I haven't done the fight so some of the mechanics might be different than some of the assumptions I'm about to make.

Circle of Healing will normally heal only the lowest raid/party members within range of the target, which does not include the target if it is not in raid/party or if it is not one of the 5 (or 6 with glyph) with lowest health in range. I can even hit a normal boss with it and it will heal the players near the boss. If PoM won't bounce then I doubt Circle of Healing will work or that Divine Hymn will be of any use.

I'm going to take a wild stab that Valithria can't reach out and use any nearby lightwells either.

Beacon of Light would not work as it's party-only, but Earth Shield ought to work.

Hand of protection won't help much since most of the damage from the adds appears to be magical, hand of sacrifice may help some if the adds hitting the boss can be minimized so that the transfered damage doesn't threaten the caster. You have to heal the damage anyway if you don't want your paladin to die, but there are lots of easy ways to splash healing to a raid member for free.

I would think of primary importance would be damage-reduction (Grace, Inspiriation, etc) and healing-increase buffs (tree-druid/improved pally aura and glyphed Guardian Spirit ftw). Fire, frost, and nature resists would be nice, but I'm not aware of any targetable versions like priests have for shadow resist. Divine spirit could be a small help if she had any natural health regen during combat, but that seems unlikely.

I would expect you'd want to avoid adding any stam buffs (Mark of the Wild, Blessing of Kings, Fortitude, etc) as they generally add a lot of max health to an NPC without raising actual health any. Blessing of sanctuary probably falls in this category unless the majority of the damage healed during the fight is from adds instead of the initial missing 50%.

Lay on Hands ought to work. Pally tank could use trinkets/cooldowns to hit 60k maybe, throw it on her with Guardian Spirit up and manage a 84k heal to start things? Could it crit too? So much fun stuff to try.

I apologize if the above is a little heavy with priest abilities, but that's my healer ;)

Commento di 318003

As the encounter is marked as over when Valithria Dreamwalker casts her AoE spell dealing 10,000,000 damage to all enemies within range I suppose it may be, depending on the layout of the citadel,possible to pull Sindragosa to Valithria and have a vast jump on her health pool. Just a thought, but it will probably be impossible due to a blocked passage until Valithria is fully healed or trash of some sort. Perhaps blizzard will overlook this because this seems like a unique encounter. We shall have to wait and see.

Commento di Omgomgesiuol

Sorry for the.. stupid question, but..
Would it be a good idea for Holy Paladins to switch out their weapons/shields at the start of the fight to high Stam ones (PvP/Tanking) for large LoH heals, or do you think the few seconds of heals with normal gear would be better than the heal?

Answer is probably obvious, But I'm not a Paladin healer so I've no idea what kinda heals they pull off in such short time. (All I know is they heal "a lot")

Commento di RipperGand

Blackwing Lair was merely a se... Oh wait...

Commento di 218218

Does anyone else think it was a total cop-out not to give her a unique model...? It's ICC, people, it should be top notch! D:

Commento di Mitha

Makes sense for raids to heal this boss rather than dps the boss. I'll bet the Druids' Valorous Dreamwalker Regalia came from her. ;D

Commento di Perrycox

So, if for Onyxia you need MORE DOTS, do you suppose for Dreamwalker you'll need MORE HOTS?

Commento di xvxsethrenxvx

>.> i dont get how people can be so short sighted... all the things like beacon from pallys and wlld growth from druids require party/raid and i dont think that the "boss" is considered in your party/raid. If u could beacon the dragon then most likely the beacon buff that goes on every1 else that makes the healing they take from the pally go onto the beaconed target 2 wont get applied 2 the raid because the dragon isnt in your raid, same goes with wild growth. And considering MoB from dks heals that much i would say they would do something 2 gimp it since if it has 20 or so stacks thats 80% and bang!, the encounter is over in a couple of seconds thus making the fight useless if you have a blood dk, some people need 2 learn 2 think. Also if u read circle of healing it says "heals your targets party for..." so if you use it on the dragon it will only heal her, making it useless and a waste of mana

Commento di 243048

It's really nice that these fights in icc are so varied.
An encounter that lets healers truly have their moment in the spotlight is pretty cool.

However I fear that holy paladin stacking will be a tactic for this encounter.

Commento di 159525

"Okay everyone, switch to your prot pallies. Time for Valithra. Blow your cooldowns.... And NOW! Everyone Lay on Hands!" *Valithra uses Dreamwalker's Rage* "Nicely done. 10 second boss fight."

Commento di 223108

Valithria will be able to help you a little during the fight. Every so often she will open 6 (on 25-player) portals to the Emerald Dream.

So we finally get to see at least a little bit of the Emerald Dream? I've been waiting a very long time to see what that place looks like - I hope even just the glimpse we get won't be disappointing :P

Maybe a sign of things to come ...

Commento di Aleck

Since this area is released on ground hog day (at least in the US, not sure if elswhere) they should make at least one of the wave mobs an oversized guinea pig.

Commento di 395672

It should be noted that given the Mana Void zones spawned, it may be advantageous for the aspiring Resto Druid sproutling to acquire the following:

Spark of Hope
Ephemeral Snowflake

Good old Allison Robert, who writes the Shifting Perspective (druid-focus) articles on Wow.com has tested this combination out, combined with 3/3 Revitalize, and an Idol of Awakening, and found her mana to actually go *up* when spamming Rejuvenate.

I have bolded the important part of her article below:

For the fun of it, I equipped Spark of Hope, the new Ephemeral Snowflake (which -- yes -- returns 11 mana on each HoT tick), and Idol of Awakening alongside 3/3 Revitalize, and watched myself gain mana spamming Rejuvenation. Switching in Idol of Flaring Growth for raids still saw me completely unable to drop below 80% on Festergut despite topping heals.

I would suggest that perhaps this line of thinking might be pursued for the encounter, perhaps glyphing Rapid Rejuvenation even if it is not your usual setup, just for this encounter. Glyph of Rejuvenation is unlikely to be of any help here, since if you're having that much trouble that you need to get her up above 50%? You're probably letting her take too much damage in the first place, and is useless from 50% to 100% HP. As far as the other two glyphs are concerned, it is probably best to stick with the tried and true Nourish and Swiftmend glyphs.

Wild Growth is also unlikely to be of much help here unless you target her with it, inferring by that the text for Wild Growth itself reads, "Heals up to 5 friendly party or raid members within 15 yards of the target for 1442 over 7 sec." Since she is unlikely to be considered a part of your party or raid, we can probably expect Wild Growth to not splash to her, unless Blizzard decides to make some code changes especially for this encounter.

Swiftmend will probably be used as soon as it is off cooldown. Nourish will likely be spammed during free GCDs. Lifebloom will likely be used in a tank-heal fashion, quickly throwing three stacks on the dragon and letting it bloom each time. I don't *think* Healing Touch will be of much use here, aside from either 1) Using it to jumpstart the healing with Nature's Swiftness and trinket usage, or 2) using it to saveheal a raid member.

Even if one does manage to avoid all the mana void zones, given that one of the mechanics of the fight will be the dragon opening portals to the Emerald Dream for players to get the Emerald Vigor buff, it can probably be assumed that this fight will be significantly more healing-intensive than your usual raidboss. That there is no achievement to complete this encounter without this buff might be an indication of just how much of a drain healing this is going to be.

(But seriously, is anyone else as excited as I am that for once, Trees won't see those ridiculous overheal numbers for once? =D)

Link to original article.

Commento di dreadneck

Heavy Frostweave Bandage FTW.

Commento di Dragoonman

The Blazing Skeletons can activate Lay Waste fire aura and use Fireball.

I get it! Laying waste! Ha!

Commento di aneossino

Time to get rid of the usual stuff.

3 Tanks, 6 Healers, 16 DPS is the old fashion.

It's time for the brand new 1 Tank, 1 DPS, 23 Healers setup.

Commento di 157913

Here's how the dream works. The portals start off as small green orbs, which will grow to full size portals after 10-20 sec. Inside the dream, there's nothing to fight or dps. There are various clouds floating around the room, but they aren't targetable. What you have to do is to fly through them - in the dream, you have the power of flight, which is controlled the same as anywhere else. Each cloud you fly through gives you and anyone else nearby one stack of the buff. It's possible to carry stacks over through dream phases, though it will take practice with getting clouds close enough to the beginning and end of each phase. I haven't encountered any limit to the stacks yet; expect to have 30 or more by the end of the fight if everything goes perfectly.

On 25-man, 3-4 should be going down to the dream. Any more and there will be too much trouble maintaining stacks of the buff. Any less and you won't have enough healing to meet the soft enrage timer. When they're outside the dream, they should heal Valithria exclusively. 2-3 other healers will be sufficient for raid heals. You may also wish to have one healer dedicated to healing Valithria who doesn't go down into the dream.

Commento di 67131

DPS VDW Macro

/cleartarget
/target Blazing Skeleton
/stopmacro
/target Suppresser
/stopmacro
/target Risen Archmage
/stopmacro
/target Blistering Zombie
/stopmacro
/target Gluttonous
/stopmacro

Commento di 205809

One of the more original bosses in recent memory. Hopefully if this boss is popular enough they can apply the same mechanics to Ysera when we inevitably fight her in the Emerald Nightmare.

Commento di 495186

In 25 man she seems to have a soft enrage timer around 7 mins where she loses about 1000k hp every 3 seconds or so.

Commento di Aeolyn

Just did this in 25man. I'll add what I noticed since this thread seems fairly bare thus far. I'm a Hunter so this is all DPS perspective stuff.

We used 8 healers on our winning run. We assigned 3 healers and 3 caster DPS to go into the portals.

DPS was split evenly on the two sides of the room where the mobs spawn, with one dedicated tank on each side. We tried to stay closeish to the dragon in the center of the room at all times so healing was easy to spread around as needed.

There was some discussion about what causes the Burning Skeletons to begin casting Lay Waste. Instead of messing with trying to avoid triggering it we decided to just call out whenever a skeleton showed up and redirect the DPS to zerg the skeletons down. Beyond this DPS generally stayed on their respective sides.

The worms that spawn after an Abom dies take a couple seconds to show up. They're standard low-health high damage mobs that need to die ASAP. The worms are vulnerable to snare effects and -will- set off Hunter traps. I had a great deal of success Frost Trapping the aboms so that the worms would get caught in it just as soon as they spawned; and then placing an Explosive Trap down just as soon as the Aboms died so that the spawning worms would immediately set it off. This combined with Death & Decay or any other fire-and-forget style AoE damage will annihilate the worms.

The Frostbolt using skeletons can be kicked. They're really not scary at all if you interrupt them.

Suppresors will greatly slow down your fight progression with the debuff they put on the dragon. They won't aggro you so ranged should begin firing on them just as soon as they appear.

As a Surv Hunter I found everything dying too quickly to bother with Black Arrow and had infinitely more success using fire traps in its place.

Because you're fighting a ton of lesser mobs instead of a boss I considered using a Cunning pet for Feeding Frenzy (more damage to low health mobs) but we won the fight before I got around to giving this a try.

Commento di Typhron

I wonder what the lore for this one is.

"So there's this dragon-"
"Let me guess, we have to kill it."
"No, actually..."

Commento di matornot

I haven't confirmed this yet, but the swim speed increase from a warlock's Glyph of Unending Breath may increase movement speed while in the dream realm. I noticed an increase in our healers' performance after buffing them with it, but it may have been from experience.

Commento di SaintStryfe

My group will be giving it's first attempt soon on it.

Q: My heal set is a mix, mostly T9 but some ICC and older Ulduar gear. I'm primarily a DPSer but in this fight is it worth it for an ENH shaman to go secondary spec heals and throw Chain heals at her? will it help the raid, or will the loss of DPS (I typically am second or third on meters) not make up the extra healing?

I guess more generically: Does more healers make this fight easier and should DPS who can go heals to make it faster?

Commento di 540404

You can bandage her!

Hey every bit counts!

Commento di Mitercondu

make your pallies spec spellpower and get them into the emerald portals, imo.
epic unsustainable healing defeated by infinite mana from this encounter.

Commento di 156237

Death Knight's!
Spec on your Rune Tap, and dont forget to Improve it!

Commento di Robotusch

We did the fight last night on 10-man, and after changing our tactics around a bit, here's what we did for the kill.

Our setup was a bit melee heavy (ranged DPS rule on this fight), with 1 tank (paladin), 3 healers (resto shaman, disc priest, resto druid) and 6 dps (2 DKs, 1 fury warr, 1 rogue, 1 arcane mage, 1 lock).

One very important thing to note about the adds, is that they can all be stunned, rooted, interrupted (except the Blazing Skeletons' Lay Waste ability). As a paladin tank Holy Wrath is your friend. Use it once the adds start piling up.

I was tanking and tried to stay roughly in the middle, moving towards each new mob as they spawned and then returning to the middle.

Risen Archmages
Interrupt! Not so much for the frost aoe damage, but it's even more important to avoid the slow effect if you're melee heavy. Can be 'tanked' a melee plate DPS, as long as people are awake and interrupting. If you're a mana user and tanking this, be very quick to move out of the Mana Void zone, it will nuke your mana pool before you know what hit it.

Blazing Skeletons
MUST DIE FAST. Do NOT interrupt the Fireball Cast. It doesn't hurt for much and if you interrupt it, the mob will switch directly to casting Lay Waste.

Suppressors
Have NO aggro table, so assign a DPS to each side to kill them. They're on a one-minute timer, with their numbers increasing every time. In our case, we put a Death Knight on either side.

Blistering Zombies
We had our Arcane mage and warlock focus on this. It can be rooted, so any mage worth his salt should be able to kite it around. Melee can help out if they want to, just make sure they move away before it explodes (it has a cast time, so they should be able to avoid it).

Gluttonous Abominations
Should be tanked by the designated tank. Face it away from the rest of the raid, but be ready to dispell the Gut Spray in case it hits any bystanders. It will spawn a bunch of worms once it dies, that must be tanked (they hit for ~3000 damage AND stacks a DoT on whoever it hits). Rogues should save their Tricks of the Trade+Fan of Knives combo for the worms.

Portals
Every time the portals were up (3 portals on 10man) , we had two of our healers go through on a rotation and pick up stacks. That leaves an extra portal open, but in our case we chose not to have DPS go through, given that the DPS lost during their time away wouldn't be covered by the potential DPS boost. However, it's useful in case one of your DPS wants the achievement.

Commento di 350177

Good News for all of your Holy Paladins! Beacon works and is incredibly affective! Sitting on about 3k SP in my Raid Kit... and a nice healthy stack of the green stuff, allowed me to easily push out some juicy 50k non-crits without blowing CD... this throughout the raid and beacon'd to the boss? Only a few words spring to mind... om nom nom nom

Commento di 145484

Can we bandage Dreamwalker?

Well, just a thought..... Since I have nothing else to do as a hunter when all the adds are down. I maxed First Aid. :D

Just read that we can indeed bandage Dreamwalker. I suppose bandaging it applies the Recently Bandaged debuff as usual, right? Otherwise it would look funny seeing 10+ non-healers bandaging a dragon!

Commento di 347360

In Soviet Icecrown, boss' health goes up and healers do the damage!

Commento di 96990

Do not rotate healers because it makes the fight a LOT longer and probably a wipe.
Last night we tried something we didn't last week on 25. First our healing combo was 2 holy palas, resto shamy, disc priest ,holy priest and a resto druid. First week we had a tactic of 2 paladins and one mage entering, turned out to be not enough since we wiped all the time at 32mil no mater what we do. Yesterday one paladin and resto shaman going in and one pala stayed out with the Beacon on the boss all the time while spamming the raid. We healed it full hp with no bigger problems. What was the difference? Well first time we got 2 "major" healers who took bigger part of amount healed on themselves but we had left with 4 healing the raid and sometimes boss.Second time we had 3 healers doing huge healing, 3 healing the boss and 4 healing the raid all the time, this way we got one extra healer with that beacon and shamy did nothing less then paly would do. Maybe this isn't good tactic or something but we did encounter without any problems. WATCH for frostbolts it can s#$ew you up very badly if you are the one entering the portal because it is mostly matter of second or two to refresh the stacks.

Commento di cloudp

Healers, consider https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=41376 for this one. 3% + crit heal when Emerald Vigor starts to stack makes a QUITE noticeable diference.

Commento di Sumadin

While in dreamworld it count as being both mounted and swimming. So buffs that increases speed while in those states increases your speed here. Pallies you heard right turn crusader aura ON.

Commento di Nycteris

Holy paladins might want to consider equipping Glyph of Seal of Light for this fight.

Commento di 338087

...Meteor fists from Kologarn in VOA...

Nitpicking, but I think you mean Koralon. Kologarn is in Ulduar.

Commento di Mike

If people think of stacking priests for Guardian Spirit chaining, think wrong.

There is a hidden 1 minute "debuff" on Dreamwalker after putting Guardian Spirit on her. Which ultimately means you can only have GS on her once a minute.

Commento di 392274

I was able to place my Beacon on Dreamwalker and heal the raid with my heals successfully being transferred to Dreamwalker. Usually if you can place a Beacon on your target then your heals will be transfered to them.

Commento di 548951

What on earth is with all of these people claiming Beacon of Light is party only? It's not, and I don't think it ever has been. Beacon works on her just fine.

Commento di 150529

ranged priority:

blazzing skeletons- they do big aoe damage that damages both the dragon AND the players, usually you have a 10 seconds merit time to kill them
suppresors-MUST.DIE.NOW. Low hp but when they reach boss,each one cuts 10% of healing done to her,which is HUGE.
rot worm- they have very low hp and,in first glance, they don't seem like a big threat,they spawn from the dead abominations. BUT they,each one,do HUGE damage and leave a stackable dot,making them the n1 reason for dead dps AND tanks.
blistering zombie- they explode when they die,thus should be killed fast enough and be careful not to asplode on your melee
abomination- you should kill them ONLY when you know your tanks can handle the worms, aaveragely high hp, low damage done by themselves, when they die they spawn the worms which is the real threat
rissen archmages- if you have other adds,leave a rogue on them for interupts, even when they actually hit,they aoe isn't so huge, they leave though circles on the ground that explode pretty fast and basically can be wipers.

note: melee dps have the same prio except they should avoid blistering zombie instead of killing them

Commento di deadbeatffs

I nearly hit my keyboard when 2 times in a row instead of HP increase our raid witnessed the dragon's health going down to 35%...omg. It turned out to be DK's fault and his Hysteria on Vali...lol.

The boss will be a good challengle to your raid dps and maintarget healer hps and aoe healers endurability not to go OOM, as the packs of mobs do their job and put a quite descent pressure on the raid.

probably the best healers setup for this encounter are restor shaman, holy pala and holy priest. we had this setup and shaman and paladin went into the portal to pick up stacks of the buff.
i can't say my raid was low geared but it took us 3 innervates on holy priest to help her healing us while shaman and pala were busy in the emerald dream.

IMO that is an axcellent and interesting encounter that can teach you to play in a team :)

Commento di 307921

Holy paladin tips & tricks (with some other general items too):

Macro your Beacon to Valithria because your focus clears when entering portals.
/target Valithria
/cast Beacon of Light
Keep your Judgements of the Pure buff active.
Cast Beacon & Judgements when on the move to/from portals and as you're falling out.
Use a timer for Beacon and Judgement or get used to overcasting.
Heal yourself or raid members that are standing close to Valithria to proc Glyph of Holy Light heals onto the dragon as well.
Per Sumadin, Crusader aura helps inside the portals. Confirmed for myself on 3/9/2010. TURBO!
Mentioned @ StratFu: "Gear as if you have infinite mana." Look at gear, talent, and glyph strategies for a Flash of Light build but spam Holy Light. At a minimum try swapping a couple pieces of gear and using the SoL Glyph.
Cooldown stacking is your friend. Create a macro to pop wings, 2pc t10 bonus, trinkets, potion, etc. Work out with your raid to use Heroism and Guardian Spirit at the same time.
Time your cooldowns. Use the above cooldowns (with no potion) at 0 or 1 portals so they are available later in the fight during Heroism.
Teamwork: Have Guardian Spirit up every other time you exit a portal. Time your own cooldowns, Heroism, Power Infusion, etc to happen at the same time.
Bloodlust/Heroism hack: If you have 2 shaman (1 in portal, 1 outside) you can cast it once while the healers are inside the portal (helps catch up on adds) and then a second time for the healers exiting the portals.
I've healed this fight 20 attempts using the paired Onyxia trinkets (1, 2) and the proc has been healing Valithria ~~every time~~ much more than half the time.

Commento di nossy

This encounter we used in 10m:

Resto Druid (myself) = RaidRx + Dreamwalker
Holy Pally = Designated Dream healer
Holy Priest = Designated RaidRx

We "downed" or "raised" it on 2nd attempt.

Pretty simple encounter. I kept LB stacks, Rejuvenate, and Regrowth ticking on Dreamwalker whenever I can, while keeping Rejuvenate on all Raid members, and Swiftmend or NS+Healing touch anyone who is in need of emergency heal. It is especially important at 75%-80% hp to BL/Heroism, and this is the best time to throw a very very fast Tranquility and all ur big heals on Dreamwalker. If you target Dreamwalker, your Wildgrowth will heal her too.

DPS got the hardest job in this fight as they must kill certain target very fast so you got to have good DPS. Tanks must pick up Abominations and they are to be dealth last by dps.

Commento di kivshani

From our experience with the fight, Holy Priests are really good here: we keep one outside, he heals the raid (usually enough), and uses Guardian Spirit when the other two healers come out of the portals.

We also use Bloodlust when we have around 20 stacks, though it doesn't really help Resto Druids.

Commento di Nightbird

Anyone know a good general raid composition for 10man? More specifically, what specs the healers should be.

Commento di semlar

Had the encounter bug after topping off the boss, apparently the Rot Worms from the abominations don't despawn and prevent the door to the room from entering. The raid wiped right after getting her to 100% and nobody could get back into the room.

Commento di 111622

Make your priests go Holy.

Guardian Spirit increases healing taken by 40% for 10 seconds.

The Glyph makes it a 1 minute cooldown.

This isn't just healing taken from the Priest, it's all healing, you pair this up with her stacking debuffs, heroism, and everything you got (blood dk's, gift of narru, vampiric embrace, etc) then this will be a pretty quick fight.

Commento di 558139

A trick we found out to work insanely well in our 25 man was to do this:

1. Have a hunter get a tenacity pet, any will do.
2. Make sure it's spec'ed into Blood of the Rhino.
3. Beacon Dreamwalker
4. Park the pet (put it on stay) under her.
5. Heal the pet.
6. ?
7. PROFIT!

Now, it may seem weird for a hunter to use a tenacity pet in a raid, but there's a reason for this. Blood of the Rhino increases healing done to the pet by 40%. With Dreamwalker beaconed, she'll get 40% more heals just by healing the pet alone.

If anyone is wondering what a good spec would be, it would be this one. Since the pet is getting healed to begin with, using Roar of Sacrifice on Dreamwalker, namely when a blazing skeleton is out, would help mitigate some of the damage she takes.

Apparently not working?

Commento di reid52

Silly blood elf.. Thunderheart is for druids!

Commento di 564055

has anyone checked to see if a death knight's rune tap works on her with the glyph?

Commento di 239202

Our group did this last night
we do this in a very easy way
1 tank is enough for this fight....
2 melee kill suppressor as soon as possible
other stay in center and kill adds....
we have 4 healer....
resto druid on raid all the time
me (holy pala) on raid with beacon on Valithria
other 2 healer (1 restodruid and 1 holy priest) go inside portals every time they spawn... after 4 portal they have 18-20 stack each....
at this point we did Heroism, and Valithria is full healed, 1.30 minute before berseker...
Piece of cake

Commento di 573207

Regarding buffs on the lizard:
Wouldn't stam buffs on her actualy just make our job alot harder? I havnt noticed if kings and preist buffs have actualy increased her overall health, but I am assuming they do. Since she is never in any danger of dying I would suggest single target buffs on pets and warriors in the buff stage before fight, if she takes more health. Anyone know if this is accurate?

Also, a concern about Beacon:
I know we can beacon her and continue to heal raid. However, does that stack directly benefit raid members or only her? In other words, if she is the beacon, she is not the healers target and if that stacking buff only increases healing done to her then she might not be getting the benefit of the cloud stack. I think other pally healers will understand what I'm talking about on this one.
Any thoughts?
Respectfully
Wasappaneen

Commento di 308914

Things to note. The 25m heroic portals are finnicky finnicky pains in the arse. These redheaded spawn of the green portals will do anything in their redheaded power to keep you from going into them. Jump your toon and click the portal? You aren't getting in. Oh, and don't even think about clicking them twice. It's one or done son. Seriously tho, these portals are buggy as can be still. I lost stacks 2 times in three attempts on a portal simply not doing anything after I clicked to mount it. Made me a sad panda.

Also, this is a wonderful fight for resto shams who wants to artificially inflate their healing numbers. You know who you are. You're the guy spamming riptide+HWs on the abom on Professor Putricide between the oozes. Well, glyph of healing wave is your ticket to big ego inflated numbers on this fight. After 20 stacks and a riptide+HWx3 (or 4) rotation you'll be healing yourself for 10k plus on top of your 50k+ HWs on the lady dragon.

Commento di Fowm

I am a holy paladin that has done the fight on 10m/25m/10m heroic and found that you can use beacon of light and glyph of holy light to achieve some insane numbers on this encounter.

Beacon of Light normalizes the heals that are cast between the Beacon target and the Heal target for % based healing buffs (i.e. paladins 5% healing increase, rogue's quick recovery, warlocks demon armor, etc). However if you park something, or yourself next to the dragon and you heal your beacon will heal the normalized amount of the direct heal plus the increased glyph of holy light heal will splash the dragon. The glyph of holy light heal can be like 10-20k heals after you have a sufficient amount of stacks.

Using this I was able to achieve ~40k HPS on 25 man (7 million of the dragon's total health). Using my AW/DI at the very start of the fight and then once again around 3-4 mins into the encounter when we used bloodlust after healers had about 20-25 stacks.

Commento di 2008

I can't speak for heroic 25, but on heroic 10, Dreamwalker still has the same health that she does on normal ~12m. The difference is that her health declines at a constant rate. The portals that spawn are red and not green ("corrupt"?). I believe there are only 10 Nightmare Clouds that will give you Twisting Nightmares and not the Emerald Vigor. Only difference is that you'll be stacking a small DoT on yourself. It's pretty easy to mitigate. Just be careful when dropping out of the dream realm. If you're too high up and you have the DoT, you're at risk to kill yourself on the fall.

We tried our normal strategy that we used for 10 normal of just 2 healers going into the portal. Four minutes into the fight, we barely got her above 60% because of the "decay". We had to move to 3 healers going into all three portals every time with a 4th healer on the raid full time. We got her to 85%+ before we got overwhelmed (only using 1 tank and the rest DPS).

Throwing 3 healers into the portal with 10 clouds can be rough. Healers can share the debuff if the cloud explodes and two of them are next to it. (Pretty sure that's what happened to us.)

We didn't get the "kill" (we only tried that strategy twice before moving back to normal due to time), but I believe that's how we'll have to do it on our next attempts.

Does anyone know the rate of decay for her health?

BTW, the Blistering Zombies seem to move twice the speed (maybe not that fast, but it's significantly faster) Your kiter needs to be on the ball before it gibs a healer :)

Commento di 322301

We did this on heroic 10 man yesterday and I must say it was quite a challenging hard mode, compared to the ones we did before (we're currently on 9/12 heroic).

Initially our raid setup was as following:

Healers
Discipline priest (myself)
2x Resto shaman
Holy paladin

Tanks
Blood DK
Druid

DPS
Mage
Hunter
Warlock
Shadow priest

The plan was to have one of the resto shamans and the holy paladin to enter the portals. The other shaman and myself would stay outside for raid healing. Since I'm a disc priest, I'm not much use inside, so we figured it'd be better if I raid healed. Plus we didn't really know how brutal the raid damage would be, hence the 2 raid healers.

Problem with this setup was that we were lacking DPS to take down the adds, so we'd inevitably get overrun by adds and I would run out of mana. We also had the healers inside the portals drop their stacks a couple of times, although that's more of a player issue than a problem with the strategy.

Once we got a feeling of the fight, we switched to three healers in the portals, with me raid healing. This proved to be better, as Valithria was healed faster, but on our best attempt we got her to 80%, with me completely out of mana, having used all mana restoring options and only 30 seconds left till enrage. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I think it was a combination of lack of DPS and someone dropping the stacks. Also, the interrupts on the frostbolt volleys were a bit iffy, and didn't always work, which would result in more mana drained from the healers.

After some discussion we decided to swap a couple of roles. We had our DK tank go DPS and had the lesser geared resto shaman log his rogue, so we'd have more DPS to burn down the adds. The remaining resto shaman and holy paladin would still go inside the portals.

We immediately felt the difference regarding the adds. Skeletons were burned down before they could lay waste and the archmages were ripped apart before they got off a volley. This had an immediate impact on my mana, since the raid healing was a lot less brutal.

I must say it was quite a challenge for our druid tank to single-handedly pick up all the adds and keep them from tearing apart our healers. It did take a couple of tries to perfect this.

On our last attempt everything seemed to come together. The dragon healers didn't loose their stacks and we got her to 85% with the adds still under control. We popped heroism and had our healers stay outside for the remainder of the fight. At 97% I got obliterated by an abomination that wasn't picked up properly (maybe a taunt miss), but it didn't matter anymore. With the huge heals going around, we quickly got her to 100% and she finished off the adds!

All things considered a well designed, proper hard mode and quite a challenge to solo raid heal, but we made it :D

Commento di 478719

fun fact, you can win this encounter with everyone dead! =)

Commento di Rahaja

Ok, sry I don't know how to link anything yet but will dreamwalker be healed if a DK with Rune tap glyphed
(heals party members for 10% of their Hp) work on this fight?

Commento di 501593

Grows with Bloodlust/Heroism! ;D

Commento di 526557

I have scanned the comments lighlty and were supprised to find out that no one have mentioned this.

Holy Preist with Glyph of Guardian spirit = <3 in this fight.

I (holy preist) usually stay outside, raidhealing, while Holy pally and resto drood collects the balls (yeah, I know). I pop guardian spirit the second the fight starts, when the CD is off I wait for em' to get out if they're in the dreamworld and pop it again. Towards the end our holy pally was critting Holy Light for 200k+ while guardian spirit was up O.o

Commento di 96881

Worth mentioning that on hard mode, the Blistering Zombies have a major speed boost. We fired up hard mode and I swear Usain Bolt came running out of the gate and clubbed a few people before our hunters could begin kiting him.

Commento di akirajumps

It should be noted since I didn't see it anywhere here, bandaging will not work in heroic. She has a self DOT that stops you from one shotting her with a high-level bandage. So just skip if you're running heroic with no healing.

Commento di jujuness

Hunter solo with spirit beast 25H:

/target Valithria Dreamwalker
/cast spirit mend

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