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Kommentar von 91604

This talent has is has been changed to a 3 point talent build (with 30% reductions) from its older 2 point talent build (with 20% reductions). The 30% despell reduction is quite valuable like most talents of this nature, for a Ret-Paladin it's aimed more towards non-Seals like Blessing spells for example since they have Sanctified Seals. The 30% stun reduction helps with PVP encounters aimed towards heavy stun use.

A good PVE, but mainly a PVP talent.

Kommentar von 291002

I agree with the comment above, good for PVE but its mainly for PVP.

It's also only 3 points and it's early in the tree. Having stun effects cut down is always nice.

Kommentar von Psyblade1st

Question: Does this talent prevent spellsteal?

Kommentar von Protadin

Would the stun resist apply on bosses such as Maexxna's web spray or even trash stuns like in abom wing?

Kommentar von Ixio

Question: Does this talent prevent spellsteal?

My guess would be that Spellsteal uses the same mechanics as Dispel, making this talent a 30% chance to resist Spellsteal.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Kommentar von 483566

With https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=41397#comments:id=886443 combined with this talent would give a significant advantage in PVP for paladins. Rouges' stuns barely last a few seconds since the talent and the gem would stack multiplicatively with each other

for instance a 5 CP kidney shot against a paladin with -30% stun duration talent and -10% stun duration meta gem.

thats 6 seconds of stun initially so
6 * 0.7 * 0.9 = 3.78 seconds

big BIG difference...

Kommentar von 80922

you guys r forgetting the 2nd part of this talent witch is actually the cause of some frustrations cuz the 30% reduce dispel causes dispel mechanic to fail dispelling divine plea but even worse if you a mass dispel doesn't remove bubble trough bad rng a match that would have been lost can turn into a match where chance r equal again.
It has been argued that this shuld be removed or changed or so this due to the high rng effect id say thats understandable all things considering.

Kommentar von Psychotic

I'm sorry, but most readers here at WowHead enjoy reading legible English, much like this post and post above your own are. I will, however, do my best at a translation.

You guys are forgetting the second part of this talent, which is actually the cause of some frustrations as the 30% reduced dispel chance causes the dispel mechanic to fail dispelling Divine Plea.

Even worse is if a Mass Dispel does not remove your bubble due to bad RNG, a match that would have been lost can turn into a match where the chance is equal again.

It has been argued that this should be removed or changed due to the high RNG, I'd say that's understandable, all things considering.

Now that I can read and understand your comment (for the most part), I can actually begin to reply. From what I understand you don't think Stoicism is good because, if a Priest uses Mass Dispel on you whilst you are bubbled, the bubble may be dispelled as opposed to the Divine Plea or another less important buff. Or you think it's "too good" because Mass Dispel may fail.

If your point was the former then it is null and void, due to the way Mass Dispel works. Mass Dispel will always target buffs that are normally classed as "undispellable". The "bubble" spells (Divine Shield, Divine Protection, Hand of Protection) cannot be dispelled by "normal" means (such as through a Shaman's Purge), the only way to get rid of these spells is by a Mass Dispel or a Shattering Throw. The former of the two will always target bubbles first before targeting other spells.

If your point was the former then really, your point is null and void only because Paladins aren't the only class with such a skill. Mages, last I checked had one, and warlocks and death knights have talents that reduce the chance of their DoTs/diseases being dispelled successfully (though I do wonder if Mass Dispel will still dispel diseases if the target is affected with the Unholy Blight change that came about in 3.3.3, but that's another story).

Kommentar von TinyPhreak

Stun effects reduction table:
(Stun reductions used: Orc Racial, Protection Paladin Talent, Arms Warrior Talent, Discipline Priest Talent, Unholy Death Knight Talent & Meta Gem)

Sap
10 seconds = Original duration
8.5 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
8.0 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
7.2 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
7.0 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
6.8 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
6.0 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
5.8 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Hammer of Justice & Kidney Shot (5 CP)
6.0 seconds = Original duration
5.1 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
4.8 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
4.3 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
4.2 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
4.1 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
3.6 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
3.5 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Maim (5 CP), Concussion Blow & Deep Freeze
5.0 seconds = Original duration
4.3 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
4.0 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
3.6 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
3.5 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
3.4 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
3.0 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.9 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Cheap Shot, Shockwave & Bash
4.0 seconds = Original duration
3.4 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
3.2 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
2.9 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.8 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
2.7 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
2.4 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.3 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Intercept, Shadowfury, Pounce, Demon Charge, Intercept (Pet), Intimidation (Pet) & Gnaw (Pet)
3.0 seconds = Original duration
2.6 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.4 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
2.2 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
2.1 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
2.0 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.8 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.7 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

War Stomp, Inferno, Impact, Ravage (Pet) & Sonic Blast (Pet)
2.0 seconds = Original duration
1.7 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.6 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.5 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.4 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
1.4 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.2 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.2 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Charge
1.5 seconds = Original duration
1.3 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.2 seconds = Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
1.1 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
1.1 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will
1.0 seconds = Hardiness / Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse
0.9 seconds = Stoicism / Unbreakable Will + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond
0.9 seconds = Hardiness + Powerful Earthstorm Diamond + Iron Will / On a Pale Horse

Should be right. Correct me if wrong, or if I forgot something. Note that these are rounded numbers, so kindly don't nitpick about that.

PS. Didn't add Ferocity Hunter pets with the talent Lionhearted because there's already enough information on here as is, and didn't want to bloat it further. So, Hunters, just multiply the original duration of the stun you want to know about with .7 (last rank) and you'll see how much reduction it gives.

Hopefully this helps a bit.

Yours truly,
*signs*

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Verringert die Wirkungsdauer aller auf Euch wirkenden Betäubungseffekte um zusätzlich 30% und verringert die Chance, dass sowohl Eure hilfreichen Zauber als auch Effekte, die Schaden im Laufe der Zeit verursachen, gebannt werden, um 30%.

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Apply Aura: [Mod Mechanic Duration %] (Betäubt)
Wert: -30%
PVP-Multiplikator: 1
Betroffene Zauber:

	Aura der Hingabe	Aura der Hingabe	Aura der Hingabe
	Aura der Vergeltung	Aura der Hingabe	Aura der Hingabe
	Aura der Hingabe	Aura der Hingabe	Aura der Vergeltung
	Aura der Vergeltung	Aura der Vergeltung	Aura der Vergeltung
	Aura der Konzentration	Aura des Schattenwiderstands	Aura des Frostwiderstands
	Aura des Feuerwiderstands	Aura des Schattenwiderstands	Aura des Schattenwiderstands
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	Aura des Frostwiderstands	Aura des Frostwiderstands	Aura des Feuerwiderstands
	Aura des Feuerwiderstands	Aura der Hingabe	Aura der Vergeltung
	Aura des Schattenwiderstands	Aura des Frostwiderstands	Aura des Feuerwiderstands
	Aura des Kreuzfahrers	Aura der Hingabe	Aura der Hingabe
	Aura des Schattenwiderstands	Aura des Frostwiderstands	Aura des Feuerwiderstands
	Aura der Vergeltung

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Apply Aura: [Modifies Dispel Resist Chance] (28)
Wert: 30
PVP-Multiplikator: 1
Betroffene Zauber:

	Göttlicher Schutz	Gottesschild	Hand des Schutzes
	Hand der Erlösung	Hand der Freiheit	Hand des Schutzes
	Hand der Aufopferung	Hand des Schutzes	Segen der Macht
	Segen der Weisheit	Segen der Macht	Segen der Macht
	Segen der Macht	Segen der Macht	Segen der Macht
	Segen der Weisheit	Segen der Weisheit	Segen der Weisheit
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	Segen der Weisheit	Siegel der Rechtschaffenheit	Siegel der Gerechtigkeit
	Siegel des Lichts	Siegel der Weisheit	Segen der Könige
	Siegel der Rechtschaffenheit	Segen der Weisheit	Segen der Macht
	Zorn der Gerechtigkeit	Großer Segen der Macht	Großer Segen der Weisheit
	Großer Segen der Könige	Großer Segen des Refugiums	Großer Segen der Macht
	Großer Segen der Weisheit	Segen der Macht	Großer Segen der Macht
	Segen der Weisheit	Großer Segen der Weisheit	Siegel der Vergeltung
	Zornige Vergeltung	Segen der Macht	Segen der Macht
	Großer Segen der Macht	Großer Segen der Macht	Segen der Weisheit
	Segen der Weisheit	Großer Segen der Weisheit	Großer Segen der Weisheit
	Geheiligter Schild	Siegel der Verderbnis	Göttliche Bitte
	Siegel der Verderbnis	Blutverderbnis	Göttliche Gunst
	Siegel des Befehls	Segen des Refugiums	Heiliger Schild
	Heiliger Schild	Heiliger Schild	Heiliger Schild
	Göttliche Eingebung	Heiliger Schild	Heiliger Schild
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