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Kommentar von Carighan

A talent which sounds better than it is. On average you can assume that in any longer fight this is a ~2%-3% increase in your DPS.

Considering that Murder offers virtually the same increase for 3 less talent points... not a good deal here.

Kommentar von 114332

This one is a no-brainer. 30% extra damage on your crits is what gets you those crazy ambush and mutilate numbers.

Kommentar von 178373

When an opponent reduces your chance to crit them by 10% and the crit damage by 20%, your critical strike damage goes from x2 to x1.8 your normal damage. This talent takes it to x2.1 in this scenario. So, how is that a bad thing? Just because resilience gimps crit damage and chance, it doesn't mean we should further gimp it ourselves, does it?

Kommentar von 135643

Does this till effect moves such as sinister strike and backstab?

Kommentar von Vulajin

The wording "combo moves" as used by this ability and Turn the Tables has been tested and confirmed to mean "those moves which generate combo points and which are neither openers nor finishers." In other words, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, Hemorrhage, Mutilate, Riposte, Shiv, Sinister Strike.

Ambush, Eviscerate, and Envenom are not affected.

Kommentar von 260714

and ambush died once again..

Kommentar von 316367

Anyone knows if this talent works with Shadow Dance & Ambush ? Because after Shadow Dance, Ambush no longer requires Stealth for 10 secs. So for 10 sec duration crit dmg bonus of Ambush should be %30 more...err.. right ?

Kommentar von 250654

Apparently this doesn't effect ambush any more, even in shadow dance

Kommentar von 195872

If I'm a pvp mutilate spec which of my attacks will this affect? Since eviserate doesn't add combo points, and ambush is out of the picture.

Does this mean that only mutilate and shiv are affected by this talent?

Kommentar von 90108

People often misunderstand this talent's effect. 5/5 Lethality increases your critical strike damage BONUS by 30%, not your critical strike damage overall. To illustrate the difference, let's assume that you do x damage with a non-crit SS.

Crit damage:

Wrong: x * 2 * 1.3 = 2.6x damage

Right: x + ((2x - x) * 1.3) = 2.3x damage

This is a more important distinction when looking at how Lethality and Prey on the Weak work together (or the 3% crit damage gem for that matter).

Wrong: x * 2 * 1.3 * 1.2 = 3.12x damage

Wrong: x * (2 + 0.3 + 0.2) = 2.5x damage

Right: x + (((2x * 1.2) - x) *1.3) = 2.82x damage

The key feature is that Lethality increases critical strike damage BONUS, which is Crit damage - normal damage. Prey on the Weak (and the Relentless Earthsiege Diamond) increase critical strike damage itself, thereby increasing the amount of critical strike damage bonus there is for Lethality to act upon.

Kommentar von 222832

a combo move is a spell that adds combo points or uses combo points like eviscerate?

Also with https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=61331
does it mean in other words i receive 60% more crit dmg?

Kommentar von Rosvall

A Combo Move is an attack that grants you combo points.
A Finishing Move is an attack that uses up your combo points.

The wording on this talent is being changed to

Lethality now affects all combo point-generating abilities.

To make it easier to understand for people whom are new to the class.

On your other question;
For Eviscerate it does nothing.
For both Backstab and Sinister Strike (With only these 2 talents, no other) it's
1*1.15 = 115% damage on a Hit compared to 100% without any of the talents.
(1*(2+0.3))*1.15 = 264,5% damage on a Critical Hit compared to 200% damage without any talents.

Kommentar von ArashikageClan

Considering that https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=60163 affects Fan of Knives energy cost (making it cost 47 energy), anyone have any idea if Lethality affects Fan of Knives? My bet is that it doesn't, which of course is just a double standard.

As for affecting ambush in the PTR, it shouldn't. I believe they made any move that adds combo points from stealth count as "openers," not combo-point generating abilities.

edit: Elitist Jerks say that Fan of Knives is not affected by Lethality, so the set bonus and the talent description of combo-point generating abilities is inconsistent.

Kommentar von Redwood

Noobish question:

Ruthlessness gives 60% chance of finishing moves generating a combo point, so when they do won't the finishing moves fall under the effects of this talent? Otherwise I would consider the text of this talent misleading...

Kommentar von 433005

Anyone know if this can be used with ambush if under the Shadow Dance, because it doesnt use stealth then, but it is usually a stealth based skill?

Kommentar von 453636

Please notice that this talent affects the CRIT dmg of your combo point generating moves (ones that don't require stealth at that). Shiv does indeed generate combo points, but it is currently _impossible_ for Shiv to crit. At all. It is therefore unaffected by this talent.
I say this because idk how it worked before, or if it was worded differently before, but I see posts prior to mine saying it helps their shiv.... it's starting to scare me, rofl.

Kommentar von Thottbot

OMGZ NERF NERF NERF NERF! (total sarcasm)
I recommend it to PVP build dagger rogues
You get high damage backstabs

Kommentar von Thottbot

at first glans i thought it was +20%crit chanse on your ambush etc.
but then i notice the dmg. part...?
Does it increace your dmg done/Does it increase the crit on the +dmg of the spell as an example:Backstab IX has 150%dmg +225dmg...
does the lethality increase the crit of those 225 dmg by 20%...and if so is it worth 5 talent points...plz try to explaine this to me ....becouse i realy dont get this lethality bonus,and i have it on my rouge:P

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Erhöht den kritischen Schadensbonus aller Eurer Angriffe, die Combopunkte erzeugen und keine Verstohlenheit benötigen, um 30%.

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