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Everything depends on costs on your server when it comes to profitability vs. skill up cost.

On my server, dust and greater essence sell for 200g per stack; dream shards are 12g and abyss are 130g. Completed enchant scrolls are selling for around 1/2 the cost of mats. For instance a +20 agil to gloves scroll sells for 200g; the mats purchased separately cost over 400g.

Icebreaker is around 200g (fire is selling for 35-40g per).

Depending on your current skill level it then can make more financial sense to do Icebreaker if it's orange and spend 200g for a guaranteed skill up, versus doing a yellow chant for around 200g mats cost with no guarantee skill up and a sell value of only 100g.

Комментарий от 206542

Great for parties.

Комментарий от Irvine

this is changed on 3.0.8 anyone knows how better it becomes?

Комментарий от 2GStyle

Tested on PTR. 5mins on 80 dummy, 17 procs which was about 8.5% of my auto attacks or 3.4ppm. Avg hit was 204, range was 188-215. Had a single crit for 284.

Test was done by 80 paladin with no talents, a 1.5 attack speed 1hander with no haste and 5.6% crit.

Комментарий от Eaglesight

The patch 3.0.8 which is currently active on the PTR (as of 20th January 09') the patchnotes says:

Increased the Fire damage inflicted by the Icebreaker weapon enchantment.

Комментарий от 232121

With these new numbers from 3.08, has this enchant become better than the old fiery? I'm not a math guy but my basic calculation tell me yes. The old fiery procs at 6ppm while the improved icebreaker procs at 3.4ppm. The old fiery does 40 damage per proc (ignoring crits) while the icebreaker does 204 (avg.).

fiery: 6ppm x 40 = 240 damage pm / 60s = +4 dps

icebreaker : 3.4ppm x 204 = 693.6 dpm / 60s = +11.56 dps

Again, I'm totalling ignoring crits and the fact that the slower proc rate means it might never go off in a fight. If my very crude math is correct (if not, I apologize) then Blizz has upped the dps on this from 4.3 (thanks to Sundoo) to 11.56, an increase of about 270%.

Two questios come mind:
1. Is it worth it considering mats cost and compared to the other Northrend weapon chants?
2. If Blizz had to up it by 270%, what were they thinking before? Surely the designer must have realized the old version sucked?

Комментарий от 298622

Thanks a lot for the info, really helpful for someone who just invested 10shards for the enchant and was curious on how hot it will be now.

No takers so far, people are justifiably prejudiced against it.

With costs at about 200g most people will get the cheaper agillity or potency (or 2h- savagery) enchants for a little boost while levelling and saving their money for the 1200-2000g end game enchants.

Комментарий от 101003

Im having some flashbacks to pre wrath. On my ret pally, while leveling from 55, I had the taran icebreaker 2 handed mace and chanted fiery. I had crits proccing all the time, it helped with SoC but as i remember that stopped, but fiery still procced the vengeance buff on a crit, so fiery was great when leveling to help keep vengeance active.

Can anyone comment on enchant crits proccing various class buffs?

Man, Taran Icebreaker with fiery was an awesome weapon for a ret pally, got in in a steal off ah too. No stats but awesome burst damage. Guess thats where the icebreaker chant came from. Man, its late and I am wandering.

To reiterate, what class buffs/talents etc could crits from this proc or affect nowadays?

Thanks in advance

Комментарий от 223389

209-234 damage and crit for 317-340 on Level 80 target dummy.

Is there a spell power bonus?

Комментарий от 93626

As a warrior, I feel that there are too many high armor classes in PVP, so I tried it for a few hours in bg. 3 % of my total damage comes from icebreaker.

Комментарий от Serathis

According to Shadowpanther, this is the best enchant that doesnt need crystals. On par with mongoose. Get this for your rogue until you get something worth of putting berserking on.

Комментарий от 296204

Will icebreaker proc more off of 2 daggers? or will the effect still be on the same cd?

Комментарий от 231758

I've not been able to test this enchant yet personally but, a theme i keep seeing in these comments, besides "this enchant sux", is people posting questions or data relating to some pretty darn fast attack speeds 1.00? 1.5? If it is truly a ppm formula underlying the enchant then the weapon wont matter much (although you could get a nice boost from DW), but it is possible that this enchant has not seen its potential because people are matching it to the wrong weapons. Blizz has often employed "chance on hit" formulas that have bonus % for slow weapons and Lost % for fast weapons. WITHOUT using the "chance on hit" phrase in the discription of the affect.

I recently stumbled upon this situation with another enchant that everybody seems to think "sucks" (Unholy Weapon) but gathered data that proves it is not a ppm enchant and can become extremely reliable and effective with the proper weapon speed (in my case 2H slow 3.5 attack speed).

Those results are over under the unholy comments but i bring it up just as an example, i think this "Icebreaker" enchant needs more diverse testing. Just because two tests here show 3.3 and 3.4ppm with nearly same speed weapons, does not mean that ppm is the base formula driving the procs. I'd be interested to see slow 2H weapons data as well. If nobody posts, i may do the test myself in the next few weeks.

Edit: "Enchant weapon - Lifestealing" also has a graduated chance on hit scale per weapon speed rather than a ppm formula underlying. Yet it does not specify "chance on hit" in the description. This suggests again that 'Icebraeker' may have characteristics that could make it very valuable. We need more diverse testing.

Комментарий от 360239

Apparently, 1everlasting1 was right, I have just tested this enchant with a 3.00 sec weapon with only white damage and in 5 mins it procced a total of 34 times. This gives the enchant a 6.8 ppm. And to answer a previous question, this enchant CAN in fact proc from SoC. I had it proc twice in one swing twice during my test with SoC up.

Комментарий от 344125

There seems to be some confusion in here about how PPM enchants work...
The closest thing WoW has to PPM effects are enchants/trinkets with an internal cooldown. Most weapon enchants commonly referred to as "PPM" scale with weapon speed, rather than being, as you might think, limited to a certain number of procs in a certain period of time.
What a PPM of say, 3, indicates is that with AUTO ATTACKS ALONE, this enchant will proc an average amount of 3 times in every minute, meaning that for a fast weapon, the proc chance ON ANY ONE GIVEN SWING will be significantly lower than that of a slow weapon.
However, once you take instant attacks into account (or Seal of Blood/Seal of Command), a slow weapon will exhibit MANY more procs than a faster one, as each instant attack with a slower weapon has a greater chance of procing the effect than the faster weapon, but the numbers of instant attacks are similar if not identical.

EDIT: To sum up, PPM enchants on weapons merely implement a scaling percentage chance on hit based on weapon speed, they do not ever limit the number of procs in a given period of time.

Комментарий от 230590

people are really underestimating how much they buffed this, i have been using this in my OH (berserker MH) on my rogue since it was dirt cheap, and my OH isnt that great anyways... but honestly, its been better than greater potency, accuracy and exceptional agility at least, probably on par with mongoose at my gear level (armory phasespider on llane)

its about 7ppm for abut 220 damage, 310 crit, which is at least 1540 damage and 25.7dps, the total damage is pretty close to the bandit's insignia or darkmoon card:death's proc

but this can be affected by spell crit (roughly 8% more) and the 13% spell damage raid modifier

with all that this shows up doing almost 40dps (per hand), which is amazing considering how cheap it is to get, definitely the enchant to get before berserking (it is even better than most 2h enchants as well like for fury warrior's OH)

Комментарий от Albrecht

Tested this out just doing just regular white melee attacks on the lvl 80 dummy with my completley unbuffed prot paladin using 1.6 second Titanguard with 400 weapon skill and no haste.

10 minutes 44 procs for 10000 damage. (4.4 ppm, 16.7 dps)

Комментарий от 478203

I just tested this out on my MH, as an Enhancement Shaman. I took off my OH so as not to mess up the results.

I auto attacked with a 2.6 Weapon (with 104 haste rating reducing it to 2.5 and then Windfury totem reducing it futhur to 2.08) for 10 minutes. I did a total of 324 attacks. 41.0% of those were glancing, 24.4were Critical strikes, 24.4% were hits, and 10.2% were parrys (not expertise capped). They accounted for 293795 Damage over 10 minutes.

Icebreaker proc'd 65 times of those 21.5% were critical hits, 75.4% of those were Hits and 3.1% were Misses. They accounted for a total of 13357 Damage over 10 minutes.

324/65= 4.98 % chance to proc with a 2.6 (2.08 after haste buffs) Weapon.

65/10 = 6.5 PPM.

13357/60 = 218.96 -> 218.96/10 = 21.89 DPS

My stats are (without my offhand):
- 322 hit.
- 166 Expertise rating (29 with talents - I am not an orc, I'm a Tuaren, so no racials to factor in).
- 30.19% chance to Crit with Melee attacks.
- 18.96% chance to crit with Spells.

It appears that its hit and crit rates are based on your spell hit and crit - because of this, I would think that this enchant would be best suited to enhancement shaman due to their gear having intellect on it. I would link to my armory, but my main spec is resto and I am normally in that gear.

Комментарий от 493791

Warrior 15 mins on a dummy.... fiery 3.2% of damage ..same weapon with icebreaker 3.8% of damage ... seems enough to make it worthwhile ... if theres a better way to test let me know and I'll test it

Комментарий от 938600

I tested this on a dummy with auto attacks only. Over 420 swings, 368 of the attacks landing (hit, crit, glancing), the proc triggered 71 times. The base and buffed speed of the weapon was 2.90. For every minute, the weapon swings 20.69 times (60/2.9).
If all attempted attacks can trigger the weapon, the weapon has a trigger rate of 16.9% (71/420) at 2.9. This would yield a PPM of 3.49.
If only attacks that deal damage can trigger the enchant proc, then it has a rate of 19.3% (71/368) at 2.9. This would yield a PPM of 4.0.

Detail about the test: 60 troll assassination rogue, no items except High Warlord's Cleaver with icebreaker and no poison, no buffs, no talents affecting auto attacks. I attacked a level 60 dummy.
Extra stuff: Icebreaker averaged 201 damage each proc. The damage seemed unchanged with the bonus AP of equipped gear. Doing a normal rotation attack on the dummy in combat spec with the enchant on MH only, icebreaker comprised about 4% of my damage.

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