Quick note, having pvped recently in the last month or so on my twink hunter a fair bit (first time since before tbc came out) i have not even had one proc (i have an addon that checks things like that for me) since it used to proc like crazy - either its been nerfed through the floor is bugged or it's my problem. Anyone else noticed this, though even without the proc most probably the best twink 19 hunter pvp bow.

評論來自 darkkeijp

you can also just run yourself trough with main. takes a while but k. just get in same group and disconnect while switching betwen chars (dont forget to stay close enough with twink to main else you might get patrolled), just before boss you get twink d/c close to boss, kill wih main, d/c fast, log on with alt and loot the boss fast. worked perfectly on cobrahns grasp

評論來自 honourblade

I can amagine that most people want there own twink but they didnt have enough money! I can show how to make a twink who isnt very very expensive, but he is powerfull!
I make an example for a rogue twink :

Main-Hand - Cruel Barb or Stinging viper cuz theyre BoP and they wont cost ya anything! Enchanted with Striking.

Off-Hand - Cruel Barb, also enchanted with Striking.

Ranged - Venomsrike or Thick bronze darts.

Head - Green tinted goggles, if you dont wanna lvl ur engineering you can just use flying tiger goggles cuz the first lvls with engi are going mostly very quik!

Neck - Scouts/Sentinells medaillon.

Chest - Blackened defias armor or Tunic of westfall with 50 health its not so expensive.

Back - Glowing lizardscale cloak or Firebane cloak, it will cost ya 10-15g if u have patience, enchanted with 3 agi.

Feet - Bristlebark boots or Footpads of the fang, they are almost even good as feet of the lynx. Enchanted with 5 stam.

Legs - Leggings of the fang with a medium armor kit on it.

Shoulder - Talbar Mantle, if ur alliance it will be much easyer to get serpents shoulders or Bandits shoulders or sumfin else.

Waist - If you will do some WC you will have the mats for Deviate Scale Belt and u need to find someone who can make it and he cant ask more than 2g fee.

Wrist - Forest leather bracers enchanted with 7 stamina.

Happy Twinking!

評論來自 HIGHERGROUND

What I'd like to know is if u put a +40 spell damage on this bow or the Lil Timmy's Peashooter for a hunter will this work with the arcane shot? For an extra kick? or we wasting gold on that?

評論來自 HIGHERGROUND

Hey man thanks for your reply. Then I wont waste my gold on getting this done. though I'll keep an eye on other twinkers on wowarmory.com

評論來自 84692

OMG just ran threw it wit my 70 warrior to find out binds when picked
up i wanted it for my 19 Tauren hunter twink it sucked lol

評論來自 HIGHERGROUND

How do u setup for a raid? do u need 5 pp to do this? I have two accounts one is my 70 and of course da other is my twink. I've did the above tactic from "Tsaza" [After last boss there is hole to jump down into a pool. Take your friend to wait there and then pull this boss nearby the hole, so when you kill it up there your friend will get the loot in group loot/ml.} After 20 plus runs it hasnt drop yet and I did the math and have 19 runs left before I lvl. Thats taking it right to the edge of not going over.

評論來自 Urbanmech

Great bow if you can get it. I've run this instance over 20 times. like 12 times for my hunter, and 8 times for my druid buddy... NEVER dropped the bow!

評論來自 HIGHERGROUND

It has taken me over 30 times to get this bow. In the end it has help get some top ranking kills in warsung! Shhh dont tell the nerf patching jerks at bliz. Currently I'm doing it again with another hunter build. The above plan of having your twink wait at the bottom of the well near the beginning is great. What a time saver!

thanks bob for the reply on spell damage for the arcane shot. save my gold for other things

評論來自 96306

im am going to journey for the awesome bow and Stinging Viper

評論來自 99888

i got lucky and got it on my 3rd run, of course they werent back to back but i started running WC for this bow since lvl 15 and i got it till lvl 17 (i did some quests in between as well XD). also it is an awesome bow.

評論來自 109662

I had my real life friend run me though like for 2 hours and then i ran him to get the bow he got it the 1st time....I still havent got it

評論來自 110699

how come it says it requires level 24 but you can get it at lvl 19?????????

評論來自 95785

Here is the fast way to farm the boots and the Venomstrike bow. Have a high level character clear a quick path at the entrance and to the right water area where the crocolisks are. Then bring your character in and position him/her against the cliff that is right below lord serpentis (this was easy for me to figure out, as I was using a hunter). None of the pat slimes come through here. Then run the high level character (avoid all other battles and/or looting to save time) right up to lord serp, and kill him. Make sure that looting is set to group loot. Your character will be able roll for the items and receive the items, and will only receive the xp for Lord Serp. When finished, jump off cliff (at lowest point - where you jumped) Repeat process until you get the items that you need. I did this last night, by using my brother's character, and the bow dropped twice and the boots dropped once. It takes less than 10 minutes each time (it took me about 5 min. with my brothers lvl 70 mage) (of course, you can only run the instance 5 times in one hour). So, go eat dinner or something then go back do it again. This saves about 30 min. of clearing everything up to the boss, and having the high level character come back down to escort you through any pats. I hope that this helps some people out.

評論來自 leuitinet

I''m tired of hearing ' this is a twink item'. It's not. I have it on my hunter
and i'm not a twink. It is the best bow at this lvl, but not really a twink item
I've seen twinks with it, and it don't help hem at all. cause of it's Dmg
out-put it is good for hunters, but i see other classes benefit from it.

評論來自 131944

It is a fantastic bow for battle grounds and all kinds of other things

評論來自 Velothi

The proc seems to do an average of 5% added DPS for a casual geared lvl 25 hunter. Very nice, lasts some time

評論來自 Neaera

Heres what my rogue friend and i did.
My main is a mage so on my mage, we went into the instance and AOEd everything.
when everything that leads to the boss is dead, i simply logged onto my hunter, run to the boss, and looted him after the rogue killed him. That easy

評論來自 149055

Easy to get. All you gotta do is sit down where the crocs are just under the platform where the boss is. Let your friend run up and kill him, let them loot, roll and you got your bow. Very fast. Very easy.

評論來自 Tolkar

Wow... I'm lvl 38 and now im thinking about getting it... I can run WC like 10 times and hour lol (well at least to Lord Venombucket :D)

Any suggestions on a better bow?

評論來自 128721

the absolute best lvl 19 twink wep followed by low drop rate so good luck trying to get it without lvling

評論來自 167804

I consider this so much better than Lil Timmy´s Peashooter. Considering its easier to attain looking at the low amount of health of the players in the 10-19 bracket (non twinks) the poison makes good bonus damage. Against twinks its still good. I doubt blizz will make another bow better than this one for twinks.

評論來自 182600

Ran WC at level 16 with a 61 and another 16 got bow on first run and only gained 1 level. This has to be the best bow for a 19 Twink and the fang armor is some of the best for a horde hunter.

評論來自 Kowai

Correct me if I'm wrong,
This bow procs off hunter's offensive ranged skills including serpent sting and arcane shot (not 100% sure about multishot).

According to DPS meter, my 19 hunter did the following:
730 Auto Shot
245 Arcane Shot
299 Serpent Sting
57 Multi Shot
This adds up to 1331 chances to proc. It proc'd a total of 121 times. 121/1331 = 9.09% chance.
38.5 average damage * 9.09% = 3.5 average damage per hit.
3.5 per hit / 2.4 seconds per hit = 1.5 dps if all you do is auto shot.

45% of my attacks were not auto shots, which means I was getting about 2.3 extra dps out of the proc. Of course that's a large amount of non-autoshots, especially if you're leveling, so 2.0 dps might be a better estimate if you're deciding when to replace this bow which wont happen for at least 8 levels (unless you're incredibly lucky with Hi-tech Supergun).

評論來自 ShadowM

Can anyone confirm/deny that the 2 piece from the Fang set will increase the proc damage of this bow?

評論來自 jaycool

i have taken wc 20 times and it dont drop ! and nearly half to 20 with my 19 twink :( it is just the bow and dont drop

評論來自 hinchy

Could I have a Heartseeker Scope attached to my lvl 19 hunter twink's Venomstrike if a lvl 70 applied it for me?

評論來自 252110

Would this be better than the New hierlooms if u add the proc?

評論來自 313404

great bow for twinks:)

actually best bow for hunter twinks :P

評論來自 308504

Can anyone tell me the proc rate on this? :D? And it just dropped for my hunter twink! YaY! ^_^

評論來自 canyoneagle

I wonder if this bow would still be a better choice for a Dwarf hunter (versus the best gun for a 19 twink - https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/item=13136, given the racial +1% crit with guns.

at that level, the 1% added crit might offset the added DPS from the proc, but I'm not well versed enough in the mechanics of calculating which would be better. Anyone care to try this one on for size?

評論來自 321137

It took me 29 runs to get this, that's not an estimate it's exactly how many runs it took me to get.. :( finally got it today though so if you're having major bad luck like i did keep trying because it's worth it in the end.

評論來自 Wisdomsword

If your a twink and u want to get this bow, this may work lol never tried,

Get your main to clear the area with Free For All loot on , then invite a friend into the party then log and ask them to invite ur twink, then get your twink walk to the boss and loot the corpse. :)

May works or not

評論來自 149864

You can just wait untill your friend/booster is with that boss, you walk in he kills and loot the boss (at group loot) you need and got the bow.

評論來自 326920

I just wanna say 1 thing abuot this bow... TWINK!

評論來自 213674

you can just go and stand in the water at the start of dungeon, and your booster just have to kite boss too the edge of cliff. when u can target boss order your booster to kill him, then you can roll for items from loot :D

評論來自 267417

Just curious, but I was fighting a hunter today with this and it seemed that the proc crit me for 140. Is that possible or was it something else?

評論來自 346804

Since you can now put a Heartseeker Scope or a Sun Scope on lower level items, can you put it on this? I have a Heartseeker Scope on Lil Timmy's Peashooter, but that is BoE. Can you have a level 70+ put this on your ranged weapon in trade (in the "will not be traded" box)? Can someone please try to confirm this soon? Thanks

評論來自 barbarianfreak

another way of getting this bow without lvling, start at lvl12 or 13 for WC runs.... then u may lvl once in there, but having a lvl 80 lowers ur xp from mob kills too.

評論來自 unckle

Patch 3.2 will solve the experience gain problems - as they introduce a kill switch on experience gains. You will be able to stop experience gaining and enjoy the dungeon with 4 other twinks ;). The bow will drop eventually , and you will also get the " viper " set ( 3 pieces of that are BiS for hunters )

評論來自 442392

The best way to get the bow is to have your character go to the bottom of the giant pit (where you drop down into the water after killing the big tree blob/the bow guy) then have your 80 go through the instance, and kill him at the top of the waterfall.. and you'll get to roll on it, winner winner chicken dinner.

評論來自 205761

Chamred Ancient Bone Bow stats at 19
15-33 damage
(9 dps)
2.8 speed
1 hit rating
1 crit rating
5 attack power

So, IMO Venomstrike is still the best 19 twink hunter weapon.

http://www.armory-light.com/tools/heirloom-calculator/42946/

評論來自 463082

this bow is an ABSOLUTE must for 19 hunters.
its high-end damage is the most for boe's of the level plus the proc.

評論來自 Aetric

You can now even turn your xp off lol
(As of patch 3.2.2)

評論來自 299362

The proc has the same animation as Earth Shock.

評論來自 642902

I've been soloing Lord Serpentis on my lvl 20 druid for the past 2 hours and i have gotten 4 of these bows, 5 pairs of serpent gloves, and 2 pairs of savage trodders but no footpads of the fang which is the one item i am farming to get.

評論來自 Kuja

This bow procs from melee attacks too. Or then it's just warrior's thunderclap that is considered a ranged attack.

評論來自 411596

Dropchange has been increased by aprox. 8% in 4.0

評論來自 790852

Can any1 tell me the proc rate on this bow?

評論來自 941749

This is the best bow for level 19 twink ( hunter)

評論來自 Solarflair

The proc, Venom Shot, can actually crit - usually for around ~100.

My spell breakdown (Level 26 MM Hunter):
Auto Shot: 318
Arcane Shot: 147
Steady Shot: 34
Multi-Shot: 4

Total possible spells cast for a proc: 503
In 503 spell casts that could procure the special ability, we saw 100 Venom Shots.
In the 100 Venom Shot we saw, it crit 3 times.

So, assuming all of this is true.
Venom Shot will proc about 20% of the time.
It will have a 3% chance to crit when you get Venom Shot to proc.

I can't say for certain if your proc chance to crit is based off of your character's critical strike chance, but assuming that it crits 3% of the time and my current standing critical strike chance is 14%, I'd wager no, unless I caught the incredibly bad side of RNG during testing.

評論來自 1147149

This bow is almost the best PvP bow for levels 18 and higher. The NagaHeartpiercer is it's only rival. And the BOA gun in the Honor Point shops in the Capitals. Easy to get and you do some INSANE dps in BG's.

評論來自 Thottbot

I came across this WSGing, when Horde Hunters appeared to use nature attacks on me, to very unpleasant ends. I thotted the proc, and found the bow 2 visits to the Wailing Caverns nearly pushed me over the 20 threshold, but its well worth it, The Proc crits, and seems to when the actual base damage crits, I've popped some absolute Show stoppers with this thing. It wrecks Powerword shield, it does horrible damage to warriors, and is general horrible death. Lovely. Oh and it procs on multi, for certain.

評論來自 Thottbot

Venomstrike is supposed to be faster, and it really depends on you fighting style in PvP. Try them first hand and figure it out. Or keep them both and alternate in different circumstances (Like those evil sword rogues that love to scare you with an ambush).

評論來自 Thottbot

This bow appears to have been buffed up in the last patch, a screenshot of the new details follows:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/alessthanperfectfiction/venomstrike.jpg

As far as I can see this makes it better than Lil Timmy's Peashooter, and your respective Warsong Gulch reward bow. Making it the new best twink weapon...

評論來自 Thottbot

leggings of the fang are no longer worth getting for the proper twink :)

評論來自 Thottbot

If you want to get tech. with 19 hunter twinks, here is my perfered layout.

Note that this is a primary STA build over AGI (You lose 2-3 Damage but its worth the HP boost)
Item Slot (Enchant)

Head: Lucky Fishing Hat (+100 HP)/Green Tinted Goggles (+100 HP)
Neck: Sentinel's/Scouts Medallion
Shoulder: Talbar Mantle / Aldor/Scryer Rep enchant on Grey shoulders
Back: Sentry Cloak (+3 AGI)
Chest: Blackened Defias Armor (+100 HP)
Bracers: Forest Leather Braces (+9 STA)/ Wrangler's Wristbands of the Monkey (+9 STA)
Hands: Scouting Gloves of the Monkey (+15 AGI)
Legs: Dark Leather Pants (+30 STA and +10 AGI)
Boots: Nat Pagle's Extreme Anglin' Boots (+12 STA/ +9 STA and Minor Speed) / Feet of the Lynx (+7 STA)
Finger 1: Seal of Wrynn
Finger 2: Protector's/Legionaire's Band
Trinket 1: Insignia of the Alliance/Horde
Trinket 2: Arena Grand Master

Melee Weapon: Twisted Chanter's Staff (+25 AGI)
Ranged Weapon: Venomstrike (+3 DMG Scope)

You could vary this build to your liking but I found that even though AGI has more Damage/Crit, living is more important.

I listed Feet of the Lynx and Green Tinted Goggles because getting the fishing gear can be very tricky. On my Hunter I managed to snag the boots but am still working at getting the hat.

The rep enchant on the shoulders could be consider exploiting so use with caution if at all (I personally haven't done it, and it may have been fixed by now)

If you want I could list alternate AGI build, but if you plan to make a twink hunter, go STA build... STA Rogues seem to fair better as well

Any questions about 19 twink hunters email me at matthew-andrews@hotmail.com or ingame Kilia or Heian on Malorne Alliance

Note: I am aware that Horde are unable to get the Seal of Wrynn but am not sure what the Horde alternative to that is.

My hunter has around 1800 HP and 900-1000 Mana and still hits 74-101 with over 20% crit, which owns in 19 PvP, If you want more accurate stats I can post them.

AGI Build would be more like..

(Only displaying changes in gear/enchants)

Lucky Fishing Hat (+8 AGI)
Glowing Lizard Cloak (+3 AGI)
Tunic of Westfall (+4 All Stats)
Forest Leather Bracers (+9 STA)
Scouting Gloves of Agility (+15 AGI)
Dark Leather Pants (+30 STA and +10 AGI)
Feet of the Lynx (+7 AGI) or Nat Pagle's Extreme Anglin' Boots (+9 AGI and Minor speed/+12 AGI)

That's what I would go for for an agility build, but like I said I prefer STA

評論來自 Thottbot

I'm collecting some results from dmgmeter, here is what I have so far from some matches.

Shot Name	Number
----------	------
Auto Shot	735
Arcane Shot	312
Multi Shot	264
Serpent Sting	409
-----	-----
Total	1720
-----	-----
Venom Shot	205

Proc including instants: 205/1720 = 11.9%

Now the question is - does the bow proc only from autoshot or do instants also count? There seems to be some discussion on this on various forums but it is our opinion (myself and a few other friend hunter twinks) that any arrow shot from the bow can cause the proc. Thus we feel the proc rate is about 12%.

And I do see the proc is sometimes able to crit.

評論來自 Thottbot

As I read through all comments, I saw nobody were doing some math on this bow vs other twink weapons. I'll skip through chit-chat and get to the point:

Venomstrike, 26-50 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.8 dps, 31-45 ND proc.

Outrunner's Bow, 25-48 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.2 dps.

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, 26-48, 2.60 speed, 14.2 dps.

It looks like Venomstrike is the best weapon if we compare them this way. Outrunner's bow and Venomstrike got same speed, so I'll already quit calculating on Outrunner's Bow, since Venomstrike got higher damage and its proc.

Now... Let us add a +3 scope to each weapon.
https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/item=4407/精準瞄準鏡
It says requires level 20. This is item level. Not character level. Venomstrike and Lil Timmy's Peashooter has an item level above level 20.

Venomstrike, average damage 26+(3)+50(+3)/2=41, dps 41/2.4=17,08333...

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, average damage 26(+3)+48(+3)/2=40, dps 40/2.6=15,385

Let me guess. You probably think Venomstike is way better the Lil Timmy's Peashooter. Take a look on the next math:

Let us add sharp arrows to Venomstrikes dps. It says "Adds 3.5 damage per second". Venomstrike got 2.4 speed, therefore sharp arrows will add 3.5 multiplied 2.4 dps, which is 8.4 extra dps.
Venomstrike, dps 17.08333...+8.4=25.48333.

Let us add crafted heavy shots to Lil Timmy's dps. It says "Adds 4.5 damage per second". Lil Timmy's Peashooter got 2.6 speed, therefore crafted heavy shots will add 4.5 multiplied 2.6 dps, which is 11.7 extra dps.
Lil Timmy's Peashooter, dps 15.385+11.7=27.086.

As you see:
Venomstrike got 25.483 dps+proc.
Lil Timmy's Peashooter got 27.086 dps.

But compare this too:
Venomstrike deals 29-53+8.4 damage.
Lowest damage is 37.4+proc. Highest is 61.4+proc.
Lil Timmy's peashooter deals 29-51+11.7 damage.
Lowest damage is 40.7. Highest is 62.7.

I would say Venomstrike win over Lil Timmy's Peashooter. My argue will be:
Venomstrike's dps vs Lil Timmy's Peashooter's dps is like:
25.483 dps+proc vs 27.086 dps
<=> proc vs 1,603.

I haven't done any calculation on Venomstrike's proc, but I guess it has more than 1.603 dps. On top of that, nature damage penetrates armor. You'll almost find no player with a decent nature resistance in 10-19 level bracket.

There will be too much trouble to add ammo pouch/quivers to my calculation, since then I would have to add proc chance, proc damage, proc dps, crits with talents, crits without talents, burst damage and probably some other stuff...

I hope you enjoy my calculations =).

Best regards.
- Ealdor.

評論來自 Thottbot

As I read through all comments, I saw nobody were doing some math on this bow vs other ranged twink weapons. I'll skip chit-chat and get to the point:

Venomstrike, 26-50 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.8 dps, 31-45 ND proc.

Outrunner's Bow, 25-48 damage, 2.40 speed, 15.2 dps.

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, 26-48, 2.60 speed, 14.2 dps.

It looks like Venomstrike is the best ranged weapon if we compare them this way. Outrunner's Bow and Venomstrike got same speed, so I'll already quit calculating on Outrunner's Bow, since Venomstrike got higher damage and its proc.

Now... Let us add a +3 scope, Accurate Scope, to each weapon.
It says requires level 20. This is item level. Not character level. Venomstrike and Lil Timmy's Peashooter has an item level above level 20.
Just keep in your mind that you need a level 20+ character to attach it to your range weapon in the non-trade slot.

Venomstrike, average damage 26+(3)+50(+3)/2=41, dps 41/2.4=17,083.

Lil Timmy's Peashooter, average damage 26(+3)+48(+3)/2=40, dps 40/2.6=15,385.

Let me guess. You probably think Venomstike is way better the Lil Timmy's Peashooter. Take a look on the next math:

Let us add Sharp Arrow to Venomstrikes dps. It says "Adds 3.5 damage per second". Venomstrike, dps 17.08333...+3.5=20.583dps.

Let us add Crafted Heavy Shot to Lil Timmy's Peashooter dps. It says "Adds 4.5 damage per second". Lil Timmy's Peashooter, dps 15.385+4.5=19.886.

As you see:
Venomstrike got 20.583 dps+proc.
Lil Timmy's Peashooter got 19.886 dps.

But compare this too:
Venomstrike deals 29-53+8.4 damage.
Lowest damage is 37.4+proc. Highest is 61.4+proc.
Lil Timmy's peashooter deals 29-51+11.7 damage.
Lowest damage is 40.7. Highest is 62.7.

The added damage is the ammo. 3.5 dps multiplied with 2.4 speed for Venomstrike and 4.5 dps multiplied 2.6 speed for Lil Timmy's Peashooter.

I would say Venomstrike win over Lil Timmy's Peashooter. My argue will be:
Venomstrike's dps vs Lil Timmy's Peashooter's dps is like:
20.583 dps+proc vs 19.886 dps
<=> proc vs -0.697.

I haven't done any calculation on Venomstrike's proc, but I guess it has more than 1.603 dps. On top of that, nature damage penetrates armor. You'll almost find no player with a decent nature resistance in 10-19 level bracket.

Ammo pouches/Quivers increase attack speed by 10% (you can actually got 11% pouch/quiver as Alliance) which will add more range attacks.
The quest is "The Night Watch". It's a level 30 quest in Duskwood.

I hope you enjoyed my calculations =).

Best regards.
- Ealdor.

And thanks to zhopa for correcting me.

評論來自 Thottbot

To add to my previous post on how to get Venomstrike by using the pool/master looter, for those of you who want to get Leggings of the fang this method will also work. clear up to the river, take a left this time, go straight ahead til u see the clif edge above you and have ur high lvl run right thru the low lvl mobs and take out cobrahn. I've done this for several twinks as Leggings of the Fang was the best possible legs at the time, also for the belt Cobrahn's Grasp which is best warrior and arguably best pally belt. This is the best way of getting these items if u are already lvl 19 or do not want to go too far into lvl 18 to save room for quest items...the only xp u should get are from the bosses. If you are like ready to lvl if u get one kill....there is a way to get absolutely no xp but it is mad hard and takes forever...the way is you have the high lvl clear the entire way...then you run up start attacking then die then high lvl kills boss...because u were dead u dont get xp but when u revive at the instance u can still loot.....my advice...dont let it get to that point. Start doing WC at lvl 12-14

Note: if you have a choise of who you are getting to run you through the best would be a high lvl hunter...reason for this is that they can run through using aspect of the cheatah and if they accidentally walk into a mob they can feign death and just keep going without just getting attacked and not killing cuz u get xp.

GL to all who are trying for this bow it truly is incredible.

評論來自 Thottbot

pretty gay, people are willing to pay like over 150g for assassins blade, and i pretty sure sentinels blade is 15-15.3 dps, assassins has like +4 strength and +2 agi and 15.3 dps (i think) and yet it sells for way too much! its so hard to make a twink when every single twink item is soo expensive!

評論來自 Thottbot

i got this bow at lvl 14 :P when i got boosted and it dropped good since im going to be a twink :P :D Drops of lord serpentis in WC just though you should know.

評論來自 Thottbot

Here is a table comparing statistics for the best bows and guns available for level 19 characters.

	Venomstrike	Lil Timmy's Peashooter	Outrider's Bow / Outrunner's Bow
Damage Range	30-54	26-48	25-48
w/ Scope	33-57	29-51	28-51
DPS	17.4	14.2	15.2
w/ Scope	18.7	15.4	16.5
Weapon Speed	2.4	2.6	2.4

You will note that Venomstrike's damage in my table does not match the damage given by Thottbot or the in-game tooltip. That's because I have factored in the venom shot damage. In my testing, it procced 83 times out of 833 shots; therefore I am assuming its chance to proc is 10%. The average damage per proc is (31 + 45) / 2 = 38, so the additional damage per shot is 10% * 38 = 3.8, which, for the sake of simplicity, I have rounded to 4.

It is obvious that for most people, Venomstrike is the best available option, but what about Dwarves with their +5 to gun skill? Is Lil Timmy's Peashooter better for them?

Taking the formulae from WoWWiki and Zoroaster's weapon skill post, each point of weapon skill increases your chance to crit by 0.04% and decreases your chance to miss and your opponent's chance to dodge, block, and parry by the same amount. Therefore, +5 skill to guns increases crit chance by 0.2% and decreases miss, dodge, block, and parry chance by 0.2%. Without delving too deeply into the subject of attack tables, these benefits essentially increase gun damage by 1%. Using that result, the damage range for Lil Timmy's Peashooter goes from 29-51 to 29-52. That's not exactly earth-shaking, and it doesn't come anywhere near to Venomstrike.

On top of its straight damage advantage, Venomstrike's venom shot has a chance to proc on every shot, not just autoshot. This makes it by far the best in PvP, where autoshot is an afterthought for the most part. The bottom line is this: use Venomstrike.

評論來自 Thottbot

+5 Gunskill is nothing

評論來自 Thottbot

Can it proc on serpent sting?

評論來自 Thottbot

I have a question, can you put 28 crit rate scope on this thing or lil timmys?

評論來自 Thottbot

wtf...
i ran WC 11 times with my RL friend who is now a 19 twink hunter and is never dropped.
the one time i solo WC for fun it actually drops... wow

評論來自 Thottbot

If you have reached level 19, the best way to get this bow is to have the 19 zone in and die in the pond area underneath Lord Serpentine. Have a 70 run through the instance and kill him, and you'll be able to roll on loot! About 5-6 minutes per run to do this. Good luck.

評論來自 Thottbot

It is both horde and alliance, drops in WC in barrens

P.S. My rogue twink is on Cenerian Circle
AKA Shadowstalkk

評論來自 Thottbot

It took me 16 runs on my twink to get this bow!

評論來自 Thottbot

gutted.....like a fish

評論來自 Thottbot

this is a great bow my hunter was l33t with it i had more than enough wsg points 2 bye the outriders bow and someone said "lfg wc" so i was like ok and it droped so i saved all my points so i thought it was cool great bow for a low lvl hunter. FELHUNT tauren hunter dreanor

評論來自 Thottbot

OMG! I ran WC with my buddy like 5 time for this Possed bow.
It didnt drop. We get a guild mate to help us (He's a warlock).
Me my wife and the warlock AoP to the boss summoned my friend and killed the boss. Over all we ran the dam place 10 times.AND HE DROPED HIS FRICKING PADDING OF THE FANG SHOES ALL FLIPING 10 TIMES! We tried for another run but we got blocked by a message saying "You've done to many instace's recently" .....

And the lock tells us of his twink druid that wanted the shoes but he kept getting this bow.

P.S its been a 5 days and we now have ran this over 30 times ,no sign of the bow. :( However he's now droping the serpent glove's and some mail boots.

評論來自 Thottbot

I started at level 10 today on my soon to be twink, I dual logged and put my level 10 on follow behind the 70 I was using to run the instance. Im not sure how many times I did this but it leveled me all the way to level 15 with all the experience that I gained. I picked all the twink items I needed. Then for awhile I just started clearing to Lord Serpentis for the bow.
It never dropped through 5 levels of experience and I was pretty angry by that time. Basically for those of you that plan to get this item, be aware that the drop rate is the lowest and it is very possible that you could level yourself to 19 before you can even obtain it.

Sparrk
70 Druid
Blade's Edge
Alliance

評論來自 Thottbot

Just a suggestion as to how to get it before lving is let ur toon die and then rez him after u clear the place as opposed to my favorite method of Warlock summoning. Either should work and I wish You all the best because if ur goin for the bow most likely ur goin after the Blackened Defias Chestpiece as well.And thats a whole other headach. GL

評論來自 Thottbot

Wow, pretty funny that people are going through all these runs to get this thing. First time I ran WC with my under level 20 warrior Venomstrike dropped. Here, I've been reading all this stuff on twink weapons (I'm trying to sell Lil Timmy's peashooter) and I see that I randomly got this bow for my warrior.

評論來自 Thottbot

I got ran through WC at lvl 16 and got this bow, the pants, and the chest piece in one run. if you dont know by now the bow drops off of the boss right before the big last boss at the end of the insance.

評論來自 Thottbot

If you don't want to gain experience just stay outside of the instance. You need to pop back in every four or five minutes becaue you will be booted from the group if you don't. My wife cleared Wailing Caverns and Deadmines for me many times this way. Also, if you have your mini map maxed out and your party members don't show up as dots but instead are arrows then you won't get experience for their kills either. Be warned though, the slims respawn which can lead to some unwanted experience.
The trick listed in an earlier post of hanging out at the base of the shaft works great, bring a fishing pole, it will give you something to do.

評論來自 Thottbot

Ya, I'm 19 with a rogue twink (just barely 19) and use throat piercers for ranged just for the agility. But, since I have nothing left to twink (got 2 arena trinkets, fishing hat and boots) I decided, WTF, might as well get venomstrike for those times I'm rooted. So, I clear the instance up to the boss with my mage (70, S2/S3 gear) Then enter the instance with my rogue. The rogue only gets XP for the boss kill which is negligible. First 2 runs, no drop. Being that Blizz introduces new gear now and again that is good for 19 twinks, I'm not letting this get me more than 3 bars into 19 'just in case' Honestly, if I'm rooted so long that I need to be doing a lot of ranged DPS, I'm gonna die anyway. Better than dinging 20 after the next expansion comes out and a whole bunch of new enchants/inscriptions come out.

Can't wait!

評論來自 Allakhazam

I was running WC, and Cobrahn dropped this.

評論來自 Allakhazam

This bow is actually quite disappointing when compared with
Light Bow
Binds when equipped
BowBow
13 - 26 DamageSpeed 1.70
(11.5 damage per second)
Requires Level 16

Venomstrike
Binds when picked up
BowBow
26 - 50 DamageSpeed 2.40
(15.8 damage per second)
Requires Level 19
Equip: Chance to strike your ranged target with a Venom Shot for 31 to 45 Nature damage.

considering you put on a +2 scope on venomstrike you will still only get a wepon around 21.6 dps while compared to light bow with a +12 scope which will hav around 22.4 dps meaning that overall light bow > venomstrike. indeed your multishot will suffer but within that regards you will be able shoot more often reducing the problem of 'missing'

評論來自 Allakhazam

Nice lil bow, dropped yesterday on my first run (and total clear) with my Orc Hunter on Eonar. He was L19 at the time, so the next couple WSGs were pretty fun.

Still usin' it at 21, lol. No Rokh 'Delar, but get ganks twinks nicely enough...

評論來自 Allakhazam

I've managed to gather 130g on my level 15 main by mining, making a twink hunter with it :)

評論來自 Allakhazam

Can't decide if this was a gimp or not from 11.5dps +1-6 nature dmg to 9.6 chance on hit 31-45 nature dmg. As long as the proc pops a lot seems like a buff.

評論來自 Allakhazam

If you have a high level alt, a low level friend (Appropriate to WC level), and no one to run you...

Have your High level run through the instance with the friend, clear up to this boss, make sure your friend is party leader, and bring your main out of the instance, killing any re-spawned pats along the way. Leave the party, log, re-log onto your hunter, have your friend invite you, and enter the instance, run to the boss, and kill him.

He's pretty straight-foreward, I over-DPSed on my Hunter (Under-estimated my new gear), and my Boar couldn't keep the Aggro, but we lived (Well, I soulstoned, and the warlock died as the boss died after panicing and sacing his Void), and it dropped on the first try. Thank you Random Number Generator, Thank you. :P

Carrin - Level 19 Hunter - Drak'Thul

評論來自 Allakhazam

DOnt run WC like 100 times on alliance just go get this http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?source=live;witem=27640

評論來自 Allakhazam

this bow is avil. to both alliance and horde and yes it drops off of serpentise probably 1 out of every 10 runs or at least for me at has. Hope this helps whoever needs to know this

評論來自 Allakhazam

wow i got mines for my hunter on my first WCs run (once on my hunter and twice 11 times 4 my friend but he never got it)lol everybody passed on venomstrike coz like i was useing a grey gun and this rogue was cheaky and went 4 need... my bro kicked him and i have the bow yay yay (my bro was hosting the WC run)

評論來自 Allakhazam

I got this second time through, its nice =)

評論來自 Allakhazam

sorry about the last one(my cat hit enter)eneyway I'v just seen this bow about 5min ago and I want it so I want to know wer to find it and if it's avable to both Horde & Alince ythank you

評論來自 Allakhazam

Can alliance get this weapon?

評論來自 Allakhazam

Have done around 20th runs now, and no bow /sigh :/

評論來自 Allakhazam

The only things I've read here are about Oh I got it on my so and so run so many times. I've been wondering if anyone has any input on how well the damage fares to say Lil Timmy's Peashooter. Provided Lil Timmy's has a higher DPS, but how often does the Proc on this weapon go off?

評論來自 Allakhazam

Do u have to have the quest for the the lords and ladies to spwan? Im aliance and would love the venomstrike bow.

評論來自 Allakhazam

my god i Killed this guy like...... Bajililons of times ... all i keep getting is the Footpad boots .. and the Savage boots ... -_- im begining to think .. he doesnt drop it ?
Those who have this bow .. how many times did you kill him before he dropped it ? TIA

評論來自 Allakhazam

i finally got it after the 21st run and i was really happy.. i also got the leggins of the fang on the 22nd run so whoever didnt get it on 20th run go to one more and i bet you will get it :-D

評論來自 Allakhazam

ive been farming WC for a while on my rogue hunter and druid. hunter and rogue are twinks and just now while my rogue was running through this dropped NOTFOR MY HUNTER! i was like /twitch /depressed then i got lil timmys peashooter and everything was fine..........until the stinging viper dropped.........for my hunter :O

評論來自 Allakhazam

droped on my first kill
rolled 97 for it after saying "NNNN" in party chat and the bastard rolled

評論來自 Allakhazam

18th time running this and i still didnt get it too drop i have been killing serpentis all the time and all he been droping is that dang boots... i got at least 10 sets of the feet of the fang or whatever... it really REALLY getting annoying.. if this is right... idk

評論來自 Allakhazam

this is awful for a rogue. how many times do you shoot your venomstrike?

go grab Throat Piercers instead

評論來自 Allakhazam

killed lord serpentis 2 times now. dropped the bow both times
*lucky ? =)

評論來自 Allakhazam

OVERALL
Lil Timmy's Peashooter IS better, for twinks.

With Venomstrike, at this level, you can only put a +3 scope on it.
However, since Lil Timmy's is BoE, then you can have a level 70 out a +12 scope on it. Also, Guns have better ammo at level 19.

Im not sure about the forumla, or what the end stats are, but I know for sure that lil timmies comes out with more dps.

評論來自 Allakhazam

ok, i got this bow from killing the last druid, lord fang whatever, in the Wailing Caverns, in the Barrens. He's the guy next to the Huge Tree.

評論來自 Allakhazam

They are missing the +3-6 Nature damage, bringing the DPS to 11.5.

評論來自 Allakhazam

Got this on my first visit in WC with a group of guildies. Had to wait 2 Levels to use it though, as I was level 17 then.

評論來自 Allakhazam

I've now done WC about 15 times with several characters - never once seen this drop.

評論來自 Allakhazam

I got this 1st time in WC, - it's still being used. Great!

評論來自 Allakhazam

I've been farming this instance for days now trying to get this bow for a wsg 19 alt and I've killed this guy at least 20 times and it hasn't dropped yet! Did blizzard change this drop in the patch or something?

評論來自 Allakhazam

my mate decied he was bored and ran me through WC at lvl 17. this dropped and so did a blue staff <living root> and a blue ring <deep fathom>

not a bad 30 minutes of my little hunters life..lol

評論來自 Allakhazam

This is honestly THE best bow you can get from 19-25 or so. Its got amazing dps at 19, and the proc goes off fairly often, and crits just as much. Im still using it at 35 on my hunter, so get it if you can.

評論來自 Allakhazam

I was lucky enough to get this the other week. However i dont think the Venom shot damage has gone off once. Out of at least 2 thousand shots. How often should it be going off? Should I talk to blizz?

評論來自 Allakhazam

Double post.. didn't realize there was a delay

Edited, Mar 4th 2007 2:32pm by Queight

評論來自 Allakhazam

On my hunter main running through Wc around 20 times and neither leggings of the fnag or this ever dropped now on my shamy my priest my rogue all around 2-3 time both of those pieces have dropped every single time. Strnage how luck works out lol.

評論來自 Allakhazam

He just dropped it for me last night. It was the 6th time I've killed him. So he does still drop it, and my hunter is very pleased.

評論來自 Allakhazam

this bow is avil. to both alliance and horde and yes it drops off of serpentise probably 1 out of every 10 runs or at least for me at has. Hope this helps whoever needs to know this

評論來自 Allakhazam

I lost this bow to a warrior that needed it :( because he uses bow to pull with

I can't believe that such noobs still exsist in December 2006 he even claimed to be in a BWL raiding guild....

評論來自 Allakhazam

I got this wonderful piece of Bow for my Warrior, lucky enough, i was accompanied with a lvl.60 Rogue which didnt care of the drops. First time i was in WC too, so i was kinda lucky.

Edited, Fri Jul 15 13:27:36 2005

評論來自 Allakhazam

yeah droped for me finaly on about my 13th run, tryed to get it for my twink 19 hunter. well its a great bow looks cool too.

評論來自 Allakhazam

haha got this and pants of the fang and sum blue cape my first rogue for twink. love it

評論來自 Allakhazam

Ran it once got it once

評論來自 Allakhazam

so is it in the night elfa rea?

評論來自 Allakhazam

First of all, you can't put any scope that is higher than +3 on any ranged weapon for level 19 twinks. And Venomstrike is by far the best ranged weapon for level 19, not to mention that Lil Timmy's Peashooter has less dps, has no abilities, and the ammo for guns is better but even if you compared the Peashooter with Venomstrike using the best ammo given at that level Venomstrike would still come out on top. Even at level 29 and with the STV bow/gun you can only have up to a +7 scope on it, and this is because the gun/bow was from a quest and its item level is 35+. And those other artards that posted that the Hand of Argus and Light Bow are better than Venomstrike are clearly wrong. The different scopes are based on the item level/required level of the item you're trying to put it on. Even if you could put a +30 hit rating, +12 damage,or a +28 crit rating scope on any ranged weapon at level 19 then why would you think you couldn't put one on Venomstrike? And that other guy that said that Hand of Argus was better must be crazy even if he was talking about for rogues, Throat Piercers are better than that. And here are the links to everything in case you don't believe me...

刺喉者 - Throat Piercers
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...witem=27640 - Hand of Argus
提米的玩具槍 - Lil Timmy's Peashooter
https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/item=17686/狩獵高手的獵弓 - STV Bow (Master Hunter's Bow)
https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/item=17687/狩獵高手的步槍 - STV Gun (Master Hunter's Rifle)
精準瞄準鏡 - Accurate Scope (+3)
狙擊瞄準鏡 - Sniper Scope (+7)
比茲尼克247x128精準瞄準鏡 - Biznicks 247x128 Accurascope (+30 hit rating)
克銀瞄準鏡 - Khorium Scope (+12)
穩固恆金瞄準鏡 - Stabilized Eternium Scope (+28 crit rating)

Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 9:26pm by Davanzati

評論來自 Allakhazam

Got it on my first Serpentis kill, so I can verify that he does indeed drop it.

評論來自 Allakhazam

pic?

評論來自 Allakhazam

this bow is avil. to both alliance and horde and yes it drops off of serpentise probably 1 out of every 10 runs or at least for me at has. Hope this helps whoever needs to know this

評論來自 Allakhazam

Is this a good Night Elf 19 twink bow or is there a better one?

評論來自 Allakhazam

this is a good combo i have it on one of my lvl 19 twink hunters

尋心者瞄準鏡 ranged critical strike rating :)

評論來自 Allakhazam

Arg, everytime I go here, he never drops it! >.<

評論來自 Allakhazam

this dropped a long time ago when I needed it, I said I needed it, and this rogue goes, "I do too", and rolls, and wins, I was PISSED

評論來自 Allakhazam

If you have the armor set Embrace of the Fang, which has a +7 bonus for nature spells and effects, will the nature damage on this bow benefit from it? If you have had both the armor and the bow and know the answer for sure from actual experience, please post a reply so everyone will know.

評論來自 Allakhazam

ran it a good 12 times NO DROPS

評論來自 Allakhazam

ok to all of you who are like "OMG I GOT IT, IT PWNS" your a noob. this is for all the people who wanna know how it compares to lil timmy's. this bow is far better for a twink hunter, it shoots faster. and hits harder, the poison doesnt proc much for me but it seems to crit alot...but the speed was the biggest thing for me, there is a secret to get this bow, for all you twinks out there who dont have alot of exp to waste...
sorry that i dont have a map
if you clear into the instance to the open room at the end of the tunnel where the aligators are, and stand against the wall where the boss is above...and have the lvl 60+ run to the top with out agro...kite the boss to right above you and kill him you should be able to get loot if it is on group loot.....if i didnt explain this right, message me on fulofcaffine or twinkmeup on firetree server

評論來自 Allakhazam

i took my cousin through and he got we got it 1st run

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Eustice
Server: Skullcrusher

評論來自 Allakhazam

As somebody else posted:

Lil Timmy's Peashooter
Binds when equipped
Range Gun
26 - 48 Damage Speed 2.60
(14.2 damage per second)
Requires Level 16

Venomstrike
Binds when picked up
Bow Bow
26 - 50 Damage Speed 2.40
(15.8 damage per second)
Requires Level 19
Equip: Chance to strike your ranged target with a Venom Shot for 31 to 45 Nature damage.

What they didn't post was the ammo difference:

Sharp Arrow
Ammo Arrow
3 - 4 Damage
(3.5 damage per second)
Requires Level 10

Crafted Heavy Shot
Ammo Bullet
4 - 5 Damage
(4.5 damage per second)
Requires Level 15

Taking into account the ammo, Venomstrike is only .6 DPS higher. It is slightly faster and that will work to your advantage.

評論來自 Allakhazam

for everyone that thinks this is a bad weapon, i say you're insane. this weapon is amazing! i usually criit 250. this bow crits around 170 without its special ability, with it, it crits around 300! Hexxuh- lv 23 warrior server shu-halo

評論來自 ripgnar

I tested it with + 26 nature damage stat equipped. I only had 26 procs of which my minimum was 31 damage and max was 45 damage, so it seems the + nature damage stat did not affect it otherwise I should not have been able to get the minimum 31 damage. The proc can crit.

評論來自 uxn0wn

I am beyond frustrated with blizzard about this bow. The 17% drop rate is a complete lie. Ive seen eye of rag and bindings drop more than this bow. After 43 kills, bow never dropped for me. After that, I finally realized this game is a complete total waste of time and everything. Garbage game.

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