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Comment by 38374

Pre level 60 this skill can be a total life saver.

Post 60 however, this skill needs to be reviewed.

With the amount of HP that Bears have at level 70 the amount of healing received from Frenzied Regeneration becomes almost trivial.

Not to mention druids lack the ability to take potions in forms, which this was supposed to make up for to some extent.

Comment by wingman

In the expansion they're removing the multiple ranks of this ability (that give different amounts of health per rage point) and replacing it with 1 rank. This one rank will heal you for 0.3% of your health per rage point, using 10 rage per second, for 10 seconds.

Not sure what health levels we'll have in the expansion yet. But raid buffed I have 25k hp. For me, popping this ability will give me 750 health per second, for 10 seconds = 7500 health. Basically one hit from a boss.

Currently, the top rank gives 25 health per rage, ie 250 health per second, or 2500 health.

Case closed :)

Comment by Propane

Converts up to 10 rage per second into health for 10 sec. Each point of rage is converted into 0.3% of max health.

So if you have 20,000 hp, this will be 60hp per rage, so 600 health a second for 10 seconds. Heals 6000 health over 10 seconds. Vast improvement, though this will require combat testing.

Comment by ADneo

i have 18k hps, when in bear dps gear, + FR glyph (20% more ehaling) it heals for 7700 hps, i saw it crit for 1000+
+tanking gear, 26k hp (only self buffed), it heals 9146, very not bad
Survival Instincts 1st Last Stand
Frenzied Regeneration 2nd last stand

Comment by Aranrya

My main question, thus far, is "Does Frenzied Regeneration still ignore +healing?" I don't see why they would change the mechanic, but from what I've heard, if you have the glyph, the +20% healing received actually works with the Frenzied Regen skill. Meaning after popping Survival Instincts, you're healing for about 9K over 10 seconds. It's just unreal. Is anyone else able to confirm both these for me: 1) Does FR still ignore +healing? 2) Does the Glyph of FR actually affect FR, increasing the amount of HP FR regenerates?

Comment by 136306

is this the thing with the animation like rejuv? cause i always saw bears do rejuv while not in casting form.. or is there a macro?

Comment by Corbis

I sometimes saw Druids in level 10-19 BGs cast rejuv in bear form, this was before Druids could use pots in forms, I moved the mouse over the buffs and it said rejuv, and rejuv animation, so dunno.. it was before you could use pots so it wasn't a rejuv pot, and this requires 36.

Comment by 105897

Is it intentional that alchemist stone's effect (+40% to healing) does not modify this skill?

Comment by AveryZan

I really love that they combined the old survival instincts and frenzied regeneration into one ability.

Comment by 83450

Sadly, the 30% health gain that used to be Survival Instincts now ONLY gives 30% to your max health, not to your current health.

No more using this as an emergency "OH SH--!" ability when solo (assuming you have the glyph) for the temporary extra health.

Comment by 629499

*does math* ... that's allot of 30's ._.

Comment by echospazz

Don't mean to be negative, but this ability is possibly the most overpowered ability in the game in terms of class self healing, not including Blood DKs in PvP. Any druid spec can pop into bear form, use a damage reduction cooldown (Barkskin, Survival Instincts), cast enrage and then use this ability and also be immortal.

Although, this ability can be countered quite easily, all you need to do, is to stop hitting them, get away from them, and if you are a class that can dispel enrage effects like Rogue (Shiv) or Hunter (Tranquilizing Shot), get rid of that enrage and then stun them, it renders them useless and practically wastes a powerful cooldown, also kiting and hard CCs are helpful too as well has any healing reduction effects.

No other class can really do what the druid class can do in term of this heal, other than warriors with Enraged Regeneration, but that has more requirements then druids and it can't be "prevented" as a druids can be.

It is getting changed in Mists to require 60 rage to activate and it converts your AP x 25 / 10 = how much health you get, and giving it a 1.5 sec cooldown. Hopefully this will reduce druid self healing to a more balanced level, because right now its practically a lay on hands for druids and takes 3+ dps to kill one feral druid with this buff on, and even then it takes a while.

Comment by LordVan

Cooldown is missing.

according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Frenzied_Regeneration it is 3min

Comment by rodalpho

The devs told us exactly how Frenzied Regeneration scales with gear at the link below.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5889309137?page=186#3701

I'm pasting it here in case they retire the beta forums after release.

Frenzied Regeneration and Shield Barrier’s formulae have changed to:
Frenzied Regeneration at 60 rage: max(2*(AP-Agi*2), Sta*2.5)
Shield Barrier at 60 rage: max(2*(AP-Str*2), Sta*2.5)
-- Yes, these do mean that it uses your AP without base AP from Str/Agi (but does still slightly include AP from Agi/Str when you’ve got the 10% AP raid buff or other +%AP buffs).

Comment by 1019356

Frenzied Regen with the 5.04 patch is now one of two Active Defense spells druids have (the other is the new Savage Defense) . It is a 1.5 second cooldown instant heal and costs up to 60 Rage to use. As Roldolpho says, it's the max of:

* 2.5x Stamina
* 2x (AP-2xAgility)

It heals less if you have less Rage, and resets your Rage to 0 if you had less than 60.

Most of the time, the Stamina value wins out, since 2xAgi is the majority of your AP value, and your armor typically has more Stamina than Agi. So you will see a fixed heal on the tooltip for FR unless your Vengance buffs your AP up significantly enough to raise that number.

With the new way Vengeance works, it is primarily bosses and big spike hits from said bosses that will temporarily boost that value; light hitting world trash mobs won't raise it fast enough. While leveling/questing, you may get better results with the glyphed version of this spell (increases incoming healing spells by 40%) if you run into trouble with this not healing enough to do the job, since even without a pocket healer, the glyphed version buffs your own healing spells.

Also:
The pre-5.04 version of the spell was a HoT plus a 30% heal/health boost. The heal/health boost has been split out into Might of Ursoc, and sadly, the 4PT13 set bonus that affected the whole raid only kept the Might of Ursoc part. No more mass regeneration to save the day...

Comment by Anatta

This is one of three ways a Guardian druid has to spend their rage. The others being Savage Defense and Maul.
Non-guardian druids also use rage for bear form's Swipe, but it's free for guardians.

As other comments have said, the formula for the heal's strength is:
max(2 x (AttackPower - Agility x 2), Stamina x 2.5)

If used with less than 60 rage the heal is linearly scaled down.

As a bear's attack power almost entirely comes from agility, the (AttackPower - Agility x 2) term will initially be very small. This means that without Vengeance the heal's strength is simply 250% of your stamina value. Effectively your stamina level determines the minimum size of the heal.

As vengeance stacks up the heal's power can increase. Due to how vengeance works in MoP, how high it stacks is dependant on the power of the enemies you are facing. For instance I have found that the heal usually floats between 60k and 100k in heroic 5-man instances, I would expect it to scale significantly higher when tanking raid bosses. Once you have a decent stack of vengeance the player's stats cease to play a role in how much Frenzied Regeneration will heal (technically strength and pure attack power will, but they are quite rare to find on a druid's gear).

Whether spamming frenzied regeneration or keeping up Savage Defense will heal/prevent the most damage is an interesting theorycraft question. But in the real world so long as you're taking damage that can be dodged it's probably best to spend rage primarily on Savage Defense. If only because the tank suddenly healing themselves to full is usually followed by the tank receiving a bunch of wasted heals from their assigned healer(s). In more "unusual" situations such as challenge mode runs where the healer is often DPSing or simply replaced by a DPS character, I would favour Frenzied Regeneration. Of course if you're tanking stuff that cannot be dodged then Frenzied Regen is the only option.

Comment by Bogdanov89

This spell is very strong at maximum level, when your strong gear gives you a lot of attack power and high rage generation from crits and auto attacks... not to mention Vengeance.

However, during leveling it is absolute trash.
When you get it at level 68 it heals you for about 5-10% of your maximum health - which is equal to maybe 2 or 3 hits from an elite trash mob, and even less hits from a boss.

While leveling use only Savage Defense, since it's dodge is amazingly useful regardless of your attack power.
Savage Defense will help you evade much more damage during it's effect than the Frenzied Regeneration spell can ever heal in non-max level dungeons.

What you can consider during leveling is using the Glyph of Frenzied Regeneration that will help your healers a bit, but still it is not as good as Savage Defense.

Comment by Thottbot

WSG is PvP! if good in WSG then its good in PvP!

Comment by Thottbot

Lol yeah man...think when u type :D

Comment by Thottbot

bear + speed boots, then speed trinket :)

Comment by Thottbot

Omen of Clarity states then when you are in clearcaster state, the next move will require mo mana/energy/rage. Does this mean that you can use frenzied regeneration to the max, without using any rage, or will this not work?

Comment by Thottbot

I get what he says after about 10 minutes, he said something about laughing at a noob then blizz said instead of enrage, which we do have he's just retarded, give them frenzied regeneration. Or something like that.

Comment by Thottbot

So this gives you............ up to 1000 health over 10 seconds if your rage bar is maxed?

Comment by Thottbot

seems kinda low for a heal - espesially if u need a full bar for just 1000. that and draining a full bar of rage will leave a bear a bit helpless when it comes to using skills....~_~

maybe its just me but i think they need to lower the cool down by alot -maybe 1 min or increase the heals because this is used in bear form - the form with even more health.

Comment by Thottbot

I had some rage but I eated it..

and as far as I know this is NOT affected by +healing and I agree as well that it is far too weak for what it is, especially when having 16k HP @70 is not abnormal, using 100rage to heal only 2500 of it is very gimp.

Comment by Thottbot

this spell is designed for pve in multi mob soloing. go kitty form, tear something up, it runs away and aggros 2 others, they run away and aggro 5 others, you go bear form, take lots of damage, build up a full rage bar, use this and heal yourself for more than they hit you for, then swipe spam...in pvp/raids this is almost useless as thats ur entire rage bar gone for half of what the boss hits or about 3 secs of damage from a mage, rogue etc...

Comment by Thottbot

the reason for why this eats al your rage-if your tanking, theres no need for attacks-u just taunt and take damage while priests heal u

raitoryuzaki-70 all epic druid

Comment by Thottbot

cant you go enrage to get more rage, then you use frenzied regen? thats pretty good if you can.

Comment by Thottbot

ur stupid. you know that u get rage from attacking and get attacked?u still can use rage for attacks.

Comment by Thottbot

Use it if you finish a fight and you've got some rage left.
100 or 200 HP is pretty good when you get this spell, and your healers won't complain.

Comment by Allakhazam

all you need do is stay in bear form and have a priest heal while your group chain pulls. tanking makes your rage bar fill up alot quicker, and if all your doing is dd'ing, cat form is the way to go. But if you happen to be in a group in instances, where you will need to tank adds, using this skill while never reverting out of bear form does allow this skill to pay off nicely, and your healer will thank you, for being able to off tank and heal yourself simultaneously.

Comment by Allakhazam

great for pking or dueling. start off w/ the enrage ability or whatever i forgot, and then just don't use any of ur rage, cept maybe bash, and then when ur at 1/4 health u can get to about full? 1rage=10hp so 1000hp for a full ragebar. at 33 in bear form i got about 1800 hp, so its over half ur health back in 10 sec. don't even need to break ur form.. so good to use if ur low mana.

Comment by Allakhazam

i think that the cat form is the way to go if you are in either BFD or Stockades but every other instance you need to be in bear form or you will die or get others killed

Comment by Allakhazam

I was wondering if +healing gear and spec can increase the healing power you get from frenzied regeneration?

Edited, Feb 3rd 2007 5:04am by Myzm

Comment by Allakhazam

I don't know about you guys, but I never have more than enough Rage.

Comment by Allakhazam

warriors need an ability like this.

Comment by epictheepicest

I'm not sure if this ability is supposed to crit or not. The maximum it's supposed to tick for is 200hp per/10 rage, but I swear I've seen it tick for 300 sometimes.

Comment by elazar13

Excellent threat generation ability.

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Frenzied Regeneration

Frenzied Regeneration

Instant	1.5 sec cooldown

[Glyph of Frenzied Regeneration: Increases healing received by 40% for 6 sec / Instantly converts up to 60 Rage into up to [Max((Attack Power - 2 * Agility) * 220 / 100, Stamina * 250 / 100) * 1] health.]

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Physical

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Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

1.5 seconds

GCD

0 seconds

Forms

Bear Form

Effect #1

Heal
Value: 60
PVP Multiplier: 1

Effect #2

Dummy
Value: 220
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Effect #3

Dummy
Value: 250
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Effect #4

Dummy
Value: 3
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Effect #5

Dummy
Value: 60
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

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Do Not Sheath
Generates no threat
Cannot crit
Aura Points On Client

Frenzied Regeneration

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