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Comentário de 101632

what happens if you charge then charge ten seconds later?

Can you charge again ONCE in 10 more seconds (20 sec after first charge) or do you have to wait full 20 seconds for BOTH charges?

If its the second, this talent is utterly worthless

if its the first, its a fair tradeoff to juggernaut

Comentário de 655468

I'm curious to know this as well, does the 20 second countdown not start until the second time charge is used?

Comentário de JulianRayne

It's easier to understand (less confusing anyway) if you think of it in terms of "charge-points" rather that cooldowns. You start with a pool of 40 "charge-points" which replenish at the rate of 1 per second. Each time you charge, you use up 20 charge-points.

It's a bit like the DK rune refreshment system introduced in Cataclysm.

The advantage of this talent is that you can game it to get 3 10 second charges to begin with, but after that you're restricted to one charge every 20 seconds. On the whole, your long term charge throughput cannot exceed one every 20 seconds, but they can be gamed to provide 2 charges in quick succession or 3 at 10 second intervals.

For best rage generation, you could use 3 charges at 12 second intervals and a fourth after 16 seconds.

However from a perspective of pure rage generation, Juggernaut will beat this out every time. Double Time will only be useful situationally.

Comentário de AveryZan

I guess what I wonder is if you only use charge once, than 30 seconds later you charge again. Would this count as the 2 charges per cool down or would you be able to charge again after that second charge? If there isn't a threshold this tallent could potentially cause harmful and unpredictable scenarios.

Comentário de 169456

The situational use of Double Time I feel is better suited to Tanks and PvP. For Tanking, coupled with Safeguard, can be quite effective for maximum mobility in emergency situations or certain phases that require the Tank to cover a lot of ground. For many boss fights, there will be times where you won't be charging at all and it is during those times that Juggernaut is a waste, while the utility of back-to-back charges could potentially save your group/raid or simply make some strategies easier. If you get knocked back, or stunned and for whatever reason the boss drops aggro, you have a second charge to rely on. For PvP, Double Time allows you to put pressure on casters and kiters, however you will be punished if you find yourself in frequent battles with no down time.

For DPS in PvE, the ability to charge twice doesn't offer as much utility as it would for Tanks. One charge is usually enough to get the job done. It isn't like you will be the one chain pulling in 5-mans, saving another party member from an accidental pull or even need to cover the kind of ground Tanks sometimes need to in Raids.

Juggernaut seems to be the superior choice in all other situations other than Tanking. You get more reliable rage benefits, you'll be able to keep up with the group during fast pulls due to the reduced Charge CD. In PvP, Juggernaut may be preferable since it will allow you to move from one skirmish to the next, faster. However if you need to catch up to a kiter after being CCed, stunned, knocked back...that immediate second charge from Double Time might save your life.

Warbringer seems to me a purely PvP choice, and if you combine with Shockwave, I'm assuming it would allow you to get a decent one-two stun combo.

Comentário de 230590

makes Charge have 2 stacking charges, even puts a number (such as 2) if you have both charges remaining AND tracks the cooldown with a different transparent timer if you still only charge once

some people could consider double charging leaving you stranded because it does actually double up on the cooldown (up to 40sec) as well, but its the closest thing to the old Charge > Intercept combo... as we still have heroic leap as a backup, meaning this is the most mobile option overall

Juggernaut is ideally better for rage generation though

Comentário de QuickBASIC

For lowbie Guerreiros this is a great way to get from Point A to Point B... Investida a critter, then Investida the enemy you're going to.

Comentário de 319936

i think the machanism of

DK runes,
Roll,
Shield Block, Dose Dupla,
Savage Defense,
Conflagrate, Hand of Gul'dan(Chaos Wave), Demonic Slash, Demonic Gateway,
Angelic Feather and
Clemency

(or is there any others?) are similar.
so can anyone explain what's the cd of these "2/3 charges" system spells? (the cd of Angelic Feather, Demonic Gateway, Dose Dupla and Clemency are clear)

Comentário de 1005573

Note that there's a very short cooldown between each use of Charge, which prevents you from accidentally wasting your second charge by using it during your first.

(As a footnote, this DID sometimes happen back with the old Warbringer talent - as a Prot Warrior I wasted my Charge and Intercept at the same time on more than one occasion.)

Comentário de 264322

I have been using Double Time for a while now. In my experience the cool downs for both charges run consecutively. As in, first charge used at 1 sec., second charge used at 11 sec. First charge off of cool down at 21 sec., second charge off of cool down at 41 sec.

And not concurrently, as the older post suggest. As in, first charge used at 1 sec., second charge used at 11 sec. First charge off of cool down at 21 sec., second charge off of cool down at 31 sec.

Is this true for everyone else?

I think of it as burst movement, you off course pay for it through the cool downs.

Comentário de Mozi

I think the best way to think of Double Time is with refernece to, as others have pointed out, DK runes or the Roll mechanics of Monks. So if you are familiar with either one, it is a pretty straightforward mechanic.

But if you are not, assume that it gives you 2 Charge Counters with the following properties:

Each counter can be in ONE of THREE states: Active, Depleted, Recharging
One a Charge Counter is depleted, it will start recharging, a process that takes 20 seconds
IMPORTANT EXCEPTION: The charge counters cannot, both, be recharging at the same time. For example, if both are depleted (or used up) only one is recharging. The second will start recharging when first becomes active

With the above in mind, let us consider a hypothetical scenario and see Double Time in action:

Let's assume combat starts a time, t = 0 sec :

t = 0 sec : You charge your opponent. Your first counter is now depleted and it starts recharging (on a 20sec CD). Your second counter is still active
t = 6 sec : You charge again, to close the gap from your opponent you escaped. Now your first Counter is still recharging, the remaining CD is 14 seconds. Your second Counter is deplted. It will NOT start recharging before the first one becomes active again (ie in 14 seconds time)
t = 20 sec : Your first counter is done recharging and now active. Your second counter now starts recharging.
t = 24 sec : You charge again, by using your active counter. Now your first counter is again depleted. The second one is still recharging, with 16 seconds remaining.
t = 40 sec : Your second counter active, allowing the first one to start its recharging cycle
t = 50 sec : You charge again, using your active Charge Counter (the second one). The first Charge Counter has 10 seconds remaining on its recharge timer.
t = 60 sec : Your first Charge Counter is now active. You charge. The current state of your Charge Counter is as follows: First Charge Counter = depleted (not recharging). Second Charge Counter = has just started its recharge cycle.

I hope you find the above somewhat useful in assessing the value of the talent. Personally, I the "short bursts" of mobility, but it does need some getting used to.

Comentário de 2picnic

honestly found a lot more use out of this than juggernaut. haven't found a situation, arena or otherwise, where I've wanted to charge every 12 seconds on the dot. This talent is suited to both short pvp encounters, and raiding where you might want to charge in quick succession every minute or two, like during the iron juggernaut encounter.

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