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Comentario de 7231

As of patch 2.whatever, you no longer have to be behind the target to do this.

Comentario de StoneLegion

Pounce is an ok skill I wish there was more damage or longer cooldown but could be used as well when your not prowling. But great to start off a fight or even to stop the target dead in there feet. I must say one the least skills I used on my druid as I like jump right in and crit the heck of the player. (28%) chance to crit on mine.

Comentario de 6780

Great skill for PvE trash. The stun time gives you room for 2 special attacks (after talents). With lucky crits and OoC procs you can land a 5 point finisher shortly after the stun wears off.

Also useful in PvP against the melee types and hunters. Allows you to stack up the bleeding effects before shifting to bear for surviability. Against clothies you may want to open with a TF ravage.

Comentario de 50864

if the target isnt immune to stun and bleeding effects i offer you to follow the following sequence in cat form.
1) pounce
2) mangle
3) feral faerie fire
4) rake
5) rip or maim
this will give you decent dot that ignores armor class of the target
of course we assume you are full feral specced :)

Comentario de Soundfx4

This was confusing to me at first because I had never seen this effect happen when I pounced (or rather I never saw the little icon before). I don't know if this is something that was messed up on my computer or if its something that they just changed with 2.2, but before the pounce icon was the only indicator for both the bleed and stun effect. In other words, you couldn't tell exactly when the stun would end because the pounce icon only showed the 18 sec countdown for the bleed effect. Now I see a 4 sec countdown icon for the stun, and a separate 18 sec countdown for the bleed effect. I first noticed this when a horde pounced on me and I had that bleed effect on me. I didn't realize what it was because I'm guessing I resisted the stun (my mount didn't stop) and so I was curious about the icon next to my name as I was cheesing it. And just about a few mins ago I realized I was doing it too and looked it up here thinking that it may be a chance type thing. After another min I realized the pounce icon that used to last 18 secs now flew by at only 4, and that's when I figured out what was going on. I dunno if this information will be useful to anyone, but it might, so I decided to post it :) hope it helps someone in some way, even if only a little bit.

Comentario de 92752

If you have a stun watch, or u look at the debuff carefully, you will realize that the stun is really more than 3 seconds, more like 4, or 4 1/5, no joke, watch and see next time you use this spell, just like taurens racial ability warstomp, stuns for 2 seconds, but it is more like 3, , the debuff will disappear on them, and they will not have the little swirls above their head, but they will still be bent over for about 1 second and will still really be stunned, may not seem like alot, but i have managed to get in 2 shreds within the stun debuff, and if they both crit, thats 5 combo points before they can do anything

don't use ravage, unless ur against clothies, just use pounce to really increase your damage.

Comentario de 63033

Is the Bleed damage from this affected by your Mangle Debuff?

Comentario de 73809

If you are Feral specced and have Ferocity (5/5), Brutal Impact (2/2), and Shredding Attacks (2/2), this would be the best ability rotation:

Pounce
Faerie Fire (Feral)
Trinket
Mangle
Shred

An ideal spec (at 70) for this would be: https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/talent=0zZxGGsfroezioVxhz

Comentario de 42833

It is not stated, but the damage from this IS increased by attack power.

Comentario de ADneo

pretty big jump in dmg from last rank

2100 + 30% from mangle 2700 and bonus from AP (not sure how much) but will be around 3200-3500.

Comentario de qrangerq

bonus from AP: 0.18 * Attack Power

http://www.wowwiki.com/Pounce

Comentario de 397318

Does Pounce break Prowl? I'd love to follow up with a Ravage if I could. :D

Comentario de 556673

Lol... Rank 4 does 600 dmg, and Rank 5 does 2100 dmg. xD

Comentario de 329137

As of 4.0.1, Pounce is trainable at level 32.

I've been using Feral Charge (or just stealthing up behind the target) and then Ravage. I'm confused about what the benefit of Pounce would be, and when to use it, since it breaks stealth and therefore rules out Ravage. Ravage beats Pounce by about 500% Weapon Damage, and the damage is all front-end-- you don't have to wait for the bleed effect. Even with Mangle's bleed-enhancing effect, I don't see how Pounce is worth it as an opener.

I'm assuming I'm missing something, though. Can anyone help me out?

Comentario de 816675

Stealth
Feral Charge
Pounce
Ravage

Therefore you can use pounce and still get a ravage on your stunned target as the feral charge gives a proc with ravage.

But like Alec83 has said, you need your charge a lot of something like a mage or a hunter so you really need to look at your target and see what is the best opening attack.

Comentario de Thottbot

if Pounce costs 50 energy...and Shred 60 i dont think u can do 2 shreds in 2 secs... probably 1
if u manage to gain another 10 energy for that time

afterall the entire benefit is less than Ravage

Comentario de Thottbot

Look it do more dmg than ravage.
Before you do this do tiger's fury, then do it and use fearie fire, and just shred 1 maybee 2 times ( If you have improved shred.. ). Then it DOES more dmg.. But if the target sit down for drinking or eating you shall ofc. use ravage.. Then it does like 600 dmg..

Comentario de Thottbot

Ravage does nice damage. Pounce is different. I use it exclusively. It is expensive to do this, talent wise, but:

2 points brutal impact == 3 second pounce
2 points in improved shred

With improved shred you can get in one shred and some white damage. If you miss the first time with shred you have just enough time to do it again. So, it effectively never misses.

What is the advantage here? One, you get control from the start. You do as much damage as ravage, just over more attacks. Two, you start your dots fast. By the time they come out of it you should have a 3+ dots on them to do rip or FB. (I prefer rip so I have -- pounce + rake +rip on them right from the start. Even on casters this is useful because they will run but still be taking damage the whole time. The dots also are psychologically throwing them off. Pounce also is partly psychological, it throws people off.)

A good attack scheme, one of many:
TF ... wait for energy back up...
Pounce
Shred
Rake+rip

They come out of it:
Bear
Bash -- if fails, fight in bear
if bash doesnt fail, get behind and shred em

Comentario de Thottbot

ok for now i find it usefull with gnomish ray for my mid level (i am 39)
gnomish ray does insane dmg which is more than 39 level druid can do

for sure at 60 i wont use this combo :)

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PS: started using Ravage again - once i got Tidal Charm :) now i do:

1. Ravage+hit
2. Tidal Charm + Gnomish Ray :)

my last victim was rogue,52 - no stun resist+3K crit...not a joke (i am 40 atm)

Comentario de Thottbot

Pounce is good.3 second stun.with feral spec its 4 secs.and you might be able to do 2 shreds with improved shred!So go Hmm you are thinking sooo wrong!

Comentario de Thottbot

Pounce is superior to Ravage except in special situations like someone who is drinking or Mages, who can Blink out of the stun.

The Shred damage is very good. Pounce+Mangle+Shred is better than Ravage+Mangle+Mangle.
Without Mangle, no discussion, Pounce>Shred.

Comentario de Thottbot

ok these are my calculations, im feral druid lvl 66

i have mangle AND omen of enclarity, so look:

Pounce:
Dont use tigers fury couz sometimes u wont have enough energy to set up this combo

4 sec stun + 600 dmg over time (780 if mangle is on the target)
i hit the target with mangle crit 1200 dmg, shred crit 1500 dmg and if clearcasting occurs another shred 1500 dmg and thats = 4980 dmg

Ravage:
ALWAYS use tigers fury with ravage

Around 2200 crit + 1200 mangle crit + 1200 mangle crit if clearcasting occurs = 4600 dmg

<so these are THE BEST situations with criticals>

These calculations are based on energy ticks, so i mean u dont need to w8 ur energy to refill.
so pounce actually does more dmg but what if u play against mage, he will blink, so i use Pounce on: Priests (so u can easily remove his shield), Locks (so he cant fear u), Warriors (I NEVER got a ravage crit on them...and probably it wouldnt be higher than 1600 ;), Shamans (couz he wears mail and so he cant heal etc.), Palas (same as warrior)

I use ravage on: mage and druids if cat form other wise pounce.

I didnt mentioned hunter and rogues...U should use ravage if he is standing on freezing trap (if u use pounce when he is standing on the trap u would probably hit him once and u will be frozen for 10 secs, trust me...that's enough :D), otherwise i would use pounce.

NEVER fight against rouge in cat form u WILL be overpowered, always use bear form

o and btw ALWAYS use ravage when some1 is siting except Warriors and Palas

Comentario de Thottbot

Im a 64 feral druid

I use the same combination of

pounce+ shred+ shred= up to 2000dmg for me but the higher lvl u r the more dmg u do

so pretty everything the guy above said is perfectly right if your a feral druid and u want max dmg

Comentario de Thottbot

Pounce is by far better than ravage for a few reasons. Assuming you are a full feral druid, pounce adds a DoT which completely negates armor, and that DoT can be buffed with the use of mangle.

With 2 points in Brutal Impact, your pounce's stun will last for 4 seconds. In this time, you are able to pounce, mangle, and then shred (assuming you have the talent points to reduce the cost of shred). If OOC procs, then you can get another shred in ALL before the target comes out of the stun. And during this barage of dmg, you have not taken one ounce of damage. Against mobs, you can have the enemy down to 40% health before he even starts attacking you. By this time you can have about 4-5 combo points generated and then wait for the energy and FB the mob. If it crits, hes dead, and during that whole fight you may have taken 1 hit, which would have been completely healed by your Imp LotP.

Using this combo all the time (granted I also have the Mark of Conquest trinket which can proc like 3 times in a fight), I have been able to kill 15 mobs before I would ever have to pop out and heal. Two rank 13 HTs and I would be ready to go again for the next 10 minutes.

And in PVP, why wouldn't anyone use a stun? I even use Pounce against mages since they can't frost nova me. If a majority of my hits crit, I can kill the mage before he comes out of stun.

The only time I ever use ravage is on boss fights or something where the enemy is immune to stun.

Comentario de Thottbot

Combo points!

Ravage gives you one combo point. Pounce gives you one combo point PLUS a 3-second stun that you can use to throw in a Shred, maybe two, for a grand total of 3 combo points (or more if you crit and Primal Fury procs) earned before your enemy even recovers from the stun.

In the best possible scenario, Pounce for one point and crit two shreds in a row for four more points. Quickest fight ever.

Comentario de Thottbot

I believe this is slightly better than cheap shot. it has the DoT, costs 10 less energy, the brutal impact talent which increases your stun duration of both pounce and bash by 1 sec, and with the shredding attacks-talent that makes the shred cost a total of 18 less energy than usual (42 energy), you can deal pretty much dmg at a short amount of time and therefore receive a benefit early in the fight.

Comentario de Thottbot

For druids, is using pounce better than ravage?

Comentario de Thottbot

I am a feral druid, and I use this amost all of the time. The extra damage from mangle makes it really awesome.

Here's what I do.

Pounce, Shred, Mangle, and if one of those crits, Rip

With the extra bleed damage from both DoTs, mobs, and people, tend to die pretty fast. :)

Comentario de Thottbot

so just felt like makeing a list of the differences of rouge's cheap shot and the cat druids pounce:

Cheap Shot:
- requires stealth
- Stun lasts 4 sec
- Gives 2 combo points
- Costs 60 energy
- learned at 26
- has talent (2rank) that reduces cost by 20 (40 energy)
- has talent (3rank) that gives a 75% chance to add additional combo point when it hits so u might get 3 whole points

Pounce:
- requires stealth
- Stun lasts 3 sec (an extra sec with 2rank talent in feral - 4 sec)
- Gives 1 combo points
- Cost 50 energy
- learned at 36, 46, 56, 66
- 36 deals 270 dmg over 18 sec, 66 deals 600 over 18 sec
- bleed effect

basicly pounce is a combination of the rouges garrote and cheap shot so you get both at the same time. Garrote at 38 however does 354 instead of the 270 of pounce. however a hybrid combo is always fun and great

Comentario de Thottbot

im a feral druid. lvl 62 at the moment so just got maim (finally an in combat stun for kitty).
when open a fight i always pounce (4 sec stun) then spam mangle (gaining extra combo points for crits). as soon as the target comes out of stun from pounce i use maim and back up and wait for energy to tick back up. then i mangle a few times and ferocious bite em to death.
this is the best pvp tactic i have found for this lvl. i killed a lvl 69 pally the other day (couldnt bubble cos was stunned)
PVE i usually can finish the mob off with a FB after my initial pounce and mangle spam to 5 combo points fairly early.
now you may think im just lazy with my mangle spams and say why not use shred... well for me (i stack agi and +crit gear hardcore, im built like a dps rogue) shred doesnt crit alot and it costs me 60 energy coz i dont wanna waste 2 points in that talent (reason being energy ticks are 20 energy every 2 seconds and it reduces cost by 18 energy... therefor not enough) with mangle criting for me ALOT more often and i can get more off faster coz of less energy it is more effective.

now for the ppl that are gunna QQ and say with heaps of agi and +crit gear how can i tank? well i do it quite well, with added dps and i high crit rate i can hold aggro without problems. but as a tank i do also stack stam and armour as much as i can, im not a dummy :P

Comentario de Thottbot

I luv this attack, i always use it except on those mobs that are immune to bleed this attack also goes great with shredding attacks 2/2 in feral tree, anyways i start out the battle with prowl then, pounce, shred, shred(they get out of stun) faerie fire feral while waiting for energy to rake, rake then rip gets 4 effects on the opponent, then i start using claw and rake once it runs out untill the opponent is at low hp and then i FB them with usually around 3-5 combo pts(5 if i crit with my claw which i sometimes do since i have a 19% crit chance), if they don't die from that i go caster and spam moon fire. Works great cept against rougues, warriors and pallys which can withstand that and damage me back. For those classes I use pounce, shred, back into caster then bear form and start fighting from there,

Comentario de Thottbot

this ability proves the strength of feral druids to all!

Comentario de Thottbot

well its nice that pounce gets 18% attack power bonus increase

Comentario de Thottbot

Just got this move on my druid today. Was a bit skeptical about using it a lot, as I could never fathom how 270dmg/5sec could be as good as a 600 dmg ravage crit. However, it's better than I thought.

The damage is increased by your attack power, so it will end up doing more damage than a non crit ravage. Not only that, but the 2 shreds it allows you to get off way out damage a simple ravage. This move is definitely going to be my new opener.

Comentario de Thottbot

who cares if ravage make more dmg? this makes a 4 sec stun, if ur specced in brutal impact. -.-

Comentario de Thottbot

START MACRO:

/cast reset=5/ Pounce, Rake, Rip, Moonfire, (and Insect Swarm if you got it)

END MACRO:

(as you jump away from target on your moonfire / insect swarm)

/cast Travel Form (run away and try to put cast obstacles between you and your target to avoid getting hit)

(wait for combat mode to wear off)

START MACRO:

/stopattack
/cast Prowl

END MACRO:

They will hate you, especially if you have improved stun +1 second for Pounce.

It's fun just to see popcorn damage pop out of them. At levels 50-59, I can usually drain most people to 60% or 50% hp on that combo, and I'm Resto Spec'd. When I restealth, they freak out because they know it's going to happene again, and they can't do anything about it. That 3-4 seconds allows you to get away almost everytime.

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Mecanica: Aturdido
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Valor: 1
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No puede ser esquivado, parado o bloqueado
[Initiates Combat (Enabled Auto-Attack)]
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