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Comment by Jonjou

Can be used to upgrade Pimalist's 385 pieces to 395 with:

Researcher Baneflare in Morqut Village, The Forbidden Reach.
Corxian and Erza in Valdrakken, Thaldraszus (thank you Majestick and mastapetz).

Comment by Mercale

Super weird these aren't account bound. They also have no sell value.

Looking forward to a lot of "Type Delete to destroy this item" in the future.

Comment by Talal

Should be account bound. Disappointing.

Comment by Jazakfon

Important to note that when upgrading the Primal Storms gear with this item, it will change from the blue tinted appearance to the green tinted appearance, so it has a use other than providing 395 gear for transmog collectors.

Comment by Taetim

They'll probably be account bound later but WoW always does this to make people grind and keep them invested until more content comes out. It's a distraction if anything. Just don't waste your time on these for now.

Comment by Blunderbus

These are next to pointless for most people since they aren't account wide. My main doesn't need em but my alts could use em, meanwhile they're stacking up and taking up bag space. Come on Blizz. The tokens are BOA, why not these?

Comment by Eziair

Why can't Blizz make these Acc Wide BUT unusable until lvl 70 so to you can store them up for alts hitting 70.

Comment by Neldorn

For transmog collectors:

385ilvl Blue Primal Storm Gear + upgrade = 395ilvl Green Primal Storm gear

385ilvl normal (yellow) Vault of Incarnates gear + upgrade = 395ilvl heroic (blue) Vault of Incarnates gear

385ilvl Blue Primal Storm Gear catalyzed = normal (yellow) Vault of Incarnates gear

395ilvl Green Primal Storm Gear catalyzed = heroic (blue) Vault of Incarnates gear

Comment by dizzymanifesto

If they aren't going to make these account-bound, it would be nice if we could use these to buy targeted upgrade items for alts.

Comment by Sharkest

Blizzard not making this account bound is another reflection of them reluctant to actually help alts catch up..

Comment by shawcram

it's always like that, disappointing.

made it bad on purpose

Comment by Aisenfaire

For anyone wondering, you can still use this to upgrade the primalist-sourced item even after you've converted it to tier in the catalyst.

Comment by Melandroso

Would be great if they could be used on primalist gear before it got turned into gear pieces. So that your main could upgrade the items for the poor alts.

Comment by CallistaZM

I get why Blizz doesn't want these to be account bound, but I played on two toons at once, both freshly leveled, one carrying the other, both killed all the same rares for hours. One toon got THREE TIMES as many of these as the other and was done upgrading long before the other. Super frustrating.

Comment by Qoko

As has been previously said, there's a rationale for not making these account wide (play the character to get to 395 instead of 385), but there is a huge mismatch now between getting Primalist tokens and getting these: they just don't drop enough. Farming the Forbidden meta achievement on my main, I accumulated 24 that I can't use: not even that much, all things considered. Blizzard should decide one of two things: up the droprate, or BoA. Now it's just a grindfest.

Having said that, you can increase your chances slightly by summoning the profession rares yourself (thus paying for the item): Summoner's Luck should lead to slightly increased droprate for these from them.

Comment by Bellakins

Everyone complaining about how these aren't BOA meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how to farm them

Comment by knitwhit

I'm convinced these were secretly hotfixed not to exist anymore. Either that or my rogue is the most unluckiest char in Wow. I spent 11 hrs grinding and didn't get a single one of these.

Comment by RatchetRSP

I'm convinced they have something fishy going on with the drop rate. I'm farming these out so I can collect all the normal and heroic gear as well as all storm gear so I have been doing this alot. What I have noticed is that you will go through rain and drought. It seems once you get 3-4 in an hour or so you wont get another for what seems like forever. I feel there is some sort of internal cooldown or something. The utter absurdity of the way these things drop makes it very convincingly seem so. All the while I have 43 sitting on my main that I can't use. Is it really that big of a deal if they are BOA? FFS Blizzard.

Comment by Trinixx

Anyone know the trigger to get these to drop?

While it appears the drop rate on these token/sigil/books has been nerfed recently, I've killed about 20 rares on two leveled alts and received zero books.

It seems they didn't start to drop until I completed Plunder Siege?

Comment by Qoko

As a more general note: for pure startup gearing, zerging Zaralek or getting a set crafted is more efficient than farming the Forbidden Reach now. Having said that, the Primalist gear is not entirely pointless: the 2-set at 395 will likely compete for a while for most classes (highly suggest to use it on lowest-tier armor pieces, so wrist/belt/feet, depending on whether you need an embellishment craft for any). Given you can get one from Emberthal Awaits and get some Overflow to buy the gear, doing the starting part of the Forbidden Reach can't do no harm.

Comment by Spilledstars

Over here in 10.1

Came to see these types of Storm Coin aren't used for any of the newer stuff. Looks like not, so between that and the fact these aren't Account Bound, looks like it's safe to use

if I need something dragged up to 395 to make the flightstones cost cheaper, this can work.

Comment by Kilrathi3

sell these once you start doing the lower cavern zone, or any 10.1 content, as they are useless except for max 395 gear only from the north island Forbidden Reach.

Comment by phreakwithanf

Drop rate from fishing has to be absolutely horrible. I've skilled up fishing from 0 to 100, got the achievement for 250 fish and well on the way to 500, 6 copper coins, 12 vault keys, numerous fish for the auction house, several hundred gold worth of vendor trash, and not a single Untapped Forbidden Knowledge.

Comment by Danielosan

Was the drop rate of these nerfed?
I'm trying to farm Vault of the Incarnates transmogs on alts and I can't loot a single one after clearing all rares on the island,

Comment by mplh89

If you've geared up to Champion/Hero gear, is there any reason to hold these?

Comment by Elfizm

I think that by now, these tomes could be made purchasable given that it's not top tier and there are tokens for higher ilvl gear now. Would also soak up one of the early currencies that aren't much good for anything else once pets, mounts, etc have been bought.

The only reason now for upgrading the pieces from The Forbidden Reach is for tmog.

As it is, the drop rate is abysmal and the rares are not easily solo'd by many, groups are not abundant, so all things considered it seems unnecessarily difficult to obtain these tomes.

Comment by Deathforsale

Apparently if you sell these, you cannot buy them back from the vendor, nor do they show up in Blizzard's Item Restoration menu.

Comment by LegaronC

Why is the drop rate so atrocious? I've been here farming rares all day long, which is about 7 hours and all I've seen is ONE! We are in a patch where I can gear a character to 415 by just doing the dreamers quest every 30 min. These things should be dropping so much I have a bag full of em. I'm only doing the stupid things cause I wanted to have the green raging tempest full transmog.

Comment by Whulle

I'm sitting on almost 60 of these with all the normal mode vault appearances unlocked for every class, and all that gear banked on each alt. I find it absolutely ridiculous that the only use for these is to upgrade that gear to heroic appearance, and yet we can't mail them to alts.

If your going to put such a dismal drop chance on these AT LEAST MAKE THEM AN ACCOUNT BOUND CURRENCY !

Comment by Tharama

With people farming Elemental Storms and Forbidden Reach scrolls for the new Dragonflight meta achievement A World Awoken it's a good time to join groups for either activity to farm Untapped Forbidden Knowledge

I personally got 9 within an hour farming with a scrolls group in the Froststone Vault of the Forbidden Reach but I've also had an extremely lucky streak with 3 of them dropping during an Elemental Storm while trying to get 200 kills.

Comment by raindancz

There is definitely a bug with this dropping right now. On my main, this has been dropping regularly from all relevant sources (storms, FR rares etc). On my alt, I have been farming for this for 2 hours and not a single untapped knowledge has dropped so far. Nothing from storms, nothing from FR rares. The odds of this happening is way too low to be just pure RNG. There must be some kind of bug causing this to not drop for my alt. Hopefully someone can figure out what is happening.

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"A potent tome found within the Forbidden Reach. Used to enhance Primal Storm gear to its greatest potential."

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Sell Price: 25

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