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[Cata] Kitties and Bears, oh my! A guide to being a Feral Druid
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pelf
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=180399&p=2499401
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224056
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LookOut
Bear Priority List
Pulverize doesn't have a cd, so you can't "Pulverize when off CD". You keep Lacerating until the Pulverize buff is about to fall off. At least that's what everyone says, I still Pulverize as soon as I have a stack of 3 Lacerates up. I'm working on weaving in Thrash.
You Tab-target Mangle is well. The whole reason for tab-targetting Lacerate is to have more chance of triggering Berserk.
Cat Priority List
You might want to add to Tiger's Fury that you should only use it when your energy is low. Else you risk wasting precious energy
I'm not sure about the next one: you say "keep savage roar up". But I'm not too sure if you should aim for that. At least I only do it every so often, I use ferocious bite in-between. But then again it's my offspec, so I could be doing it wrong
I also noticed something on my way to the priority list. Apparently you think Feral Charge is an interrupt. This is false, Skull Bash is our only interrupt (on stun immune mobs that is, else we have Bash or Maim)
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224056
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Post by
LookOut
It's in the talents
Talents
Third Tier
- Another
interrupt
for Bears, and a good way to charge in for Cats (also enables Ravages with its linked talent, Stampede). Worth the 1 point.
Post by
Thror
Oookay, lemme sift throught this.
- Possible dump points for raiding Bears, highly recommended though
This is a mandatory talent. Universally, it is one of the best damage reducing tanking talents we have. It is only slightly less useful on very specific fights. That does not warrant this sort of wording. It is not a "dump" when you absolutely want it.
Expertise - The soft cap is 26 expertise. Bears want this (26 is the cap), but it's not necessary, given our threat lead over DPS. For Cats, it's still not a huge priority.
No, Bears do not really want that. You can say that it is the second best threat stat after Agility, but please get rid of any implications that Bears should pursue the Expertise cap. It is entirely a matter of personal preference, and has not been proven effective by theorycrafting.
Bears generally want to reforge haste first, then either hit, crit or mastery. Your decision on what to get rid of if based on what's present on the item in larger amounts and your need for hit rating. Primarily, you reforge to dodge, as it's our only avoidance stat.
Very loose wording that does not give any definitive information. Bears want to reforge every single item to have Dodge rating on it. To determine which stat to reforge, refer to the stat priority diagram (which you did post). Always reforge the stat with the least priority into Dodge rating.
Add
Assassin's Step
to the Boot enchants, as an agility alternative.
For single-target tanking, you want to do the following:
Keep Mangle on CD, keeping an eye out for free Mangles from Berserk.
Lacerate to 3 ticks
Pulverize when Lacerate is at 3 ticks/Pulverize is about to fall off (up to personal preference).
Maul frequently, as rage allows.
Between Pulverize and Maul, mention Thrash. When you have Lacerate running on the boss, your Mangle is on CD, and you have enough spare time on your Pulverize, Thrash is worth using over Lacerate. Also keeping the Demoralizing Roar debuff up has a higher priority than Mangle.
So much for nitpicking. One more thing. Your guide lacks any sort of in-depth information about stamina vs. agility stacking. You wanna write something up yourself or want me to do it?
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pelf
To be fair, you said "Bears want this" which, to me, means "bears want this".
:)
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Cambo
Pulverize doesn't have a cd, so you can't "Pulverize when off CD". You keep Lacerating until the Pulverize buff is about to fall off. At least that's what everyone says, I still
Pulverize as soon as I have a stack of 3 Lacerates up
. I'm working on weaving in Thrash.
Really?
Shouldn't we keep 3 x Lacerates rolling until perhaps 1/4 duration left? I used to get 3 x lacerates up then immediately Pulverise but upon reviewing my tanking I figured I was missing out on free instant Mangles.
I found that the bonus mangles help keep aggro alot better than using pulverise often.
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LookOut
Pulverize doesn't have a cd, so you can't "Pulverize when off CD". You keep Lacerating until the Pulverize buff is about to fall off. At least that's what everyone says, I still
Pulverize as soon as I have a stack of 3 Lacerates up
. I'm working on weaving in Thrash.
Really?
Shouldn't we keep 3 x Lacerates rolling until perhaps 1/4 duration left? I used to get 3 x lacerates up then immediately Pulverise but upon reviewing my tanking I figured I was missing out on free instant Mangles.
I found that the bonus mangles help keep aggro alot better than using pulverise often.
I pretty much lacerate immediately after I Pulverize, so if I'm missing on free (instant? wtf dude) Mangles, it won't be much.
Besides, I have 1/2 Endless Carnage, so by the time I have 3 Lacerates up (taking into account misses and parries), Pulverize is about to fade pretty much.
Plus it's less of a hassle to do.
I don't need to keep track of how many seconds I have left on Pulverize. All the debuffs that need to be up are shown underneath the boss' hp bar. I'd say that's LESS of a hassle. Except for when berserk procs, but there's a new poweraura-esque thingy implemented for that after 4.0.6 anyways.
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Cambo
I still prefer to get 3 x lacerates up then keep it up during most of its duration. That means I have a bleed on the boss (which would continue to generate aggro) and I'm free to move around and be aware of what is happening around me.
If it was a burst/CD/enrage phase, then I would 3 x lacerate -> pulverise as you are.
The free mangles I speak of are procced by keeping 3 x lacerates up (I'm pretty sure). The proc grants a handful of Mangles with no CD (hence instant).
In a heavy movement fight I think it is best to keep 3 x Lacerates up because if you are moving you most probably will generate less aggro and a bursty DPS (HALLO THAR MAGE) may steal aggro.
On a tank n spank, you can probably afford to pulverise until your heart is content.
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LookOut
That means I have a bleed on the boss (which would continue to generate aggro) and I'm free to move around and be aware of what is happening around me.
Are you implying that I am aware of less stuff that's happening around me just because I Pulverize as soon as I can? Makes no sense.
The free mangles I speak of are procced by keeping 3 x lacerates up (I'm pretty sure). The proc grants a handful of Mangles with no CD (hence instant).
A single stack of Lacerate also procs the berserk effect on Mangle. And the proc is 1 Mangle, not a handful. You seem to be thinking of the active component of
Berserk
.
In a heavy movement fight I think it is best to keep 3 x Lacerates up because if you are moving you most probably will generate less aggro and a bursty DPS (HALLO THAR MAGE) may steal aggro.
On a tank n spank, you can probably afford to pulverise until your heart is content.
I WAS talking about a tank and spank kind of fight. If it's a movement heavy fight I might leave Lacerate up as well (for the reason you stated). I actually lost aggro once earlier this week to an arms warrior who started dpsing nefarian as soon as he landed, and a bunch of my abilities chain-missed >.<
Off-topic, I quite like your sig ^_^
Post by
pelf
Yikes @ people who like that kind of music.
Post by
LookOut
Yikes @ people who like that kind of music.
No taste ...
Before I got into grunt vocals, I liked Opeth's music except for the vocals. And then I got used to that, and appreciated it. And now I can't imagine those songs without those vocals.
For those interested,
this
is a calm song of theirs with clean vocals,
this
is an example of a heavier song with grunt vocals.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, let's not derail a sticky ^_^
Post by
pelf
kek
Yeah like I was saying, don't forget to weigh the benefit of refreshing Savage Roar against letting it fall off so you can comfortably refresh Rip. Yep.
Post by
Cambo
Yikes @ people who like that kind of music.
Quite a swift judgement there.
Metal has a negative connotation, and death metal just makes people bawk and look at you sideways. But it's not all 'death' and disembowelment and murder.
Opeth is saturated with poetry and beauty; no other band like them. Taking time to explore them really helped me discover that there is hidden beauty in places that you do not expect.
Sounds corny, but Opeth (among a handful of other bands) have really been instrumental in helping change my outlook on life. I've really mellowed and calmed, and have come to really accept diversity.
Thanks for your discussion LookOut. Very valid points that I've taken on-board. I'm still feeling my way through feral tanking, I've only been tanking for about a month. Quite annoying to have hunter pets (like bears and turtles) pull thread immediately after I Growl, and having abilities miss makes me think I'm going to aim for hit-cap.
Post by
Lillegum
Add
Assassin's Step
to the Boot enchants, as an agility alternative.
I would disagree. That's a pvp-enchant, so you're probably refering to
Major Agility
, which is a very good alternative to the stamina ones.
Post by
Thror
Add
Assassin's Step
to the Boot enchants, as an agility alternative.
I would disagree. That's a pvp-enchant, so you're probably refering to
Major Agility
, which is a very good alternative to the stamina ones.
My god, you are right. I was using and recommending PvP enchants for the past three years. Why noone ever told me that movement speed is completely useless in raid content?
Oh, wait.
I may have grammar errors in my posts quite often, but i never point to an incorrect database item.
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