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Post by
kolson21
Anyone else having issues with Wowhead and IE 8? I'm needing to run Internet Explorer in "Compatibility View" else dropdown boxes jump all over the screen. Is this a known issue?
Post by
kolson21
IE is the most popular web browser on the planet and I like it, especially IE 8. And you didn't answer my question.
Post by
309394
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
twsX
why would you use internet explorer at all?
People like what they already know. That doesn't have to be a bad thing.
Different to IE6, with IE8 the browser doesn't pose much of a security threat, given that you know how to use your PC properly.
If you are not dependent on any features provided by other browsers which IE doesn't have, and you have no desire to have those features, why switch?
firefox ftw
No, not really. It used to be far superior to IE back in the day, which was, combined with millions of dollars spent in marketing, the reason is managed to acquire such a huge market share. From a technical perspective, Firefox is actually a rather bad browser., especially compared to nowaday's competition. Also, it did at no point offer anything that was new and not already implemented in other browsers in a similar, usually superior way. The huge exception is the add-on feature, which remains a real strong arm to the product.
I probably wouldn't go back to IE myself, but i'd probably even use Safari for Windows before ever jumping to bloated crap like Firefox.
Back to topic.
Anyone else having issues with Wowhead and IE 8? I'm needing to run Internet Explorer in "Compatibility View" else dropdown boxes jump all over the screen. Is this a known issue?
I have to suspect a problem on your side. Just tested it, and wowhead runs fine for me in IE8, with or without compatibility mode.
Did you mess with the security settings, i.e. the settings related to site scripting? Wowhead makes heavy use of JavaScript, and IE tends to be rather picky about that.
Try adding wowhead.com to your list of trusted sites, or try lowering your security level, just to see if it changes anything.
If neither helps, i'm out of ideas, sorry.
Sort-of-related-offtopic:
Now, i'm no missionary to make people convert away from IE, but have you ever tried alternative browsers? If not, i can recommend you do. If you don't like them, you don't have to use them.
Google Chrome
is rather "new user friendly", seeing as it emphazises simplicity, like IE does.
If you like a big package that basically can do everything (without features you DON'T want to use ever getting in your way), i can recommend
Opera
, the browser for the power user. :)
Post by
victor2008
http://www.wowhead.com/?aboutus
Wowhead is optimized for Firefox, although we thoroughly test the pages for Internet Explorer 7, Opera and Safari as well. We also try to make the site as compatible as possible with all browsers, but some people using older browsers (like IE6) may experience problems.
Post by
Malgayne
To get this conversation back on track, there is a compatibility issue we're trying to figure out with IE8. Since "Compatibility Mode" fixes it, we've been trying to fix up a few back-end things first.
Post by
DeadMoroz
Ouch, it seems, wowhead is totally broken in IE8 :(
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4248/wh1c.png
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7209/wh2.png
Fix it, please. :(
Post by
306345
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Post by
Wanderingfox
No, not really. It used to be far superior to IE back in the day, which was, combined with millions of dollars spent in marketing, the reason is managed to acquire such a huge market share. From a technical perspective, Firefox is actually a rather bad browser., especially compared to nowaday's competition. Also, it did at no point offer anything that was new and not already implemented in other browsers in a similar, usually superior way. The huge exception is the add-on feature, which remains a real strong arm to the product.
I probably wouldn't go back to IE myself, but i'd probably even use Safari for Windows before ever jumping to bloated crap like Firefox.
That just isn't true.
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/07/01/firefox-35-benchmarked-not-as-fast-as-chrome
Firefox 3.5 outperforms ie 8 in EVERY way. It may not be quite as fast as chrome, but it's render times are substantially better than IE.
As for your second point, firefox was the first main-stream browser to support tabbed browsing. It was also one of the first to support a secure addon platform (opposed to the only opportunity at the time of initial release: activeX)
If you're going to bad-mouth something, at least have your facts right.
edit: This is on topic because IE 8's Acid3 test is only a 20... Proving that it can't render anything properly :P
Post by
476372
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Post by
DeadMoroz
Does this mean that we should ban IE8 forever and ever,
Wanderingfox
? Or this is just
yours
opinion?
Post by
Skosiris
Fixed!
(This was posted using IE8).
Post by
DeadMoroz
Yay!
Thanks.
Post by
Wanderingfox
Does this mean that we should ban IE8 forever and ever,
Wanderingfox
? Or this is just
yours
opinion?
I don't believe I was ever implying that... I was implying that the person I responded to was making completely unfounded claims :P Also, it isn't opinion, it's a fact that FF 3.5
does
outperform IE8 in every benchmark I've ever seen.
People are, of course, free to use what ever browser they wish, and the problem should be (and has been) fixed.
Post by
Zxian
edit: This is on topic because IE 8's Acid3 test is only a 20... Proving that it can't render anything properly :P
Honestly... half the stuff that Acid2 and Acid3 test for is error handling. You're blaming the browser for not properly dealing with stuff that the web-dev shouldn't have been doing in the first place? It's like blaming Microsoft for nVidia's driver failings when Vista was released. Misplaced blame is rampant these days, especially with the internet being as open as it is.
IE is the most popular browser out there (it may be slowly losing some market share, but it's still the majority). Writing proper web-code for cross browser compatibility is not too difficult if you stick to the basics. And making web-code that works on FF3 and IE8 is also not that hard. It's Safari, Konqueror, and Opera that often screw things up rendering wise.
I use Firefox for one main reason - Zotero (an addon that simplifies managing research resources infinitely easier. If it wasn't for that one addon, I'd probably be running IE, and expect web-devs to deal with the fact that it's the majority (for whatever reason that may be).
Also, for whatever reason, Firefox and Flash ads still bog down my netbook, while IE and the same ads and websites don't. Why it happens, I honestly couldn't tell you, but it does.
Post by
Wanderingfox
Umm... error handling is ALWAYS on the part of the application receiving the error. The sending application should not be generating it, yes, but the receiving application is responsible for dealing with it. Your analogy is not valid as you're implying that a web browser is like a driver when it isn't. A better analogy would be trying to open a txt document in word and word just crashing. ALL errors, regardless of cause, should be handled gracefully.
The Acid tests also test against the HTML standard, which IE fails horribly. Specifically, it tests:
* DOM Level 2 Traversal (subtests 1–6)
* DOM Level 2 Range (subtests 7–11)
* Content-Type: image/png; text/plain (subtests 14–15)
* <object> handling and HTTP status codes (subtest 16)
* DOM Level 2 Core (subtests 17, 21)
* DOM Level 2 Events (subtests 17, 30–32)
* CSS Selectors (subtests 33–40)
* DOM Level 2 Style (subtest 45)
* DOM Level 2 HTML (subtest 60)
* DOM Level 2 Views
* ECMAScript GC (subtests 26–27)
* Unicode 5.0 UTF-16 (subtest 68)
* Unicode 5.0 UTF-8 (subtest 70)
* HTML 4.0 Transitional (subtest 71)
* HTML 4.01 Strict
* SVG 1.1 (subtests 74, 78)
* SVG 1.1 Fonts (subtests 77, 79)
* SMIL 2.1 (subtests 75–76)
* ECMAScript Conformance (subtests 81-96)
* Data URI scheme (subtest 97)
* XHTML 1.0 Strict (subtest 98)
* HTTP 1.1 Protocol
IE fails
EIGHTY
of these tests on my system, while firefox only fails
seven
.
IE is the majority holder for a single simple reason. It ships with windows, and has shipped with windows for more than a decade. People are lazy, and since IE is already there, generally will never bother switching unless they see a problem with it.
Microsoft has, and has for quite some time, taken extreme liberties when it comes to the html standard and IE. Specifically, they throw it completely out the window and implement whatever the hell they feel like implementing. Every other major browser supports the HTML standard... except IE (unless you run it in 'compatibility mode' which is short for 'oh hey, our highly specialized rendering engine can't show your page').
I've NEVER seen an issue in Opera or Safari that did not exist in IE (with the exception of IE specialized code). I've been developing websites, as a hobby, for several years (everything from simple HTML to CSS stylized HTML to dynamically generated content via ASP and PHP), and have never come across ANY of my users telling me that they had a rendering error in Opera or Safari that wasn't caused by an error in code, yet you have to jump through hoops in order to get a page to render properly in IE.
As for making platform specific code, the SAME process is used whether it's for IE or Opera... You just need to check the meta-data browser string and adjust accordingly (not that anyone ever has to outside of accommodating IE).
Your argument can be summed up as "IE is the leading user-share, so it can do what it wants regardless of any universally accepted standards that may be in practice." That doesn't make any sense. At all.
And, just for your information, here are the acid3 tests for every major browser:
Chrome: 100
Opera: 100
Firefox: 93
Konqueror: 89
IE: 20
Anyway, this is devolving into a flame war, and if linking to standardized tests and benchmarks isn't going to make my point, nothing will.
Post by
Gryphon
This has run it's course, this was a Wowhead support request, not a debate about everybody's favorite browser. Feel free to hit up Randomness to convince people your browser is best.
Post by
Malgayne
Also,
/win
.
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