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The Alliance & The Grimtotem? What Happened?
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Berronaxwins
Farming Loremaster and i finished the alliance quests off in Stonetalon Mountains. In which we form an alliance with the grimtotem to defeat the horde.
Then you're sent to the southern barrens. Then to Theramore - Dustwallow Marsh.
Suddenly I find myself strolling down a road filled with alliance and grimtotem corpses, then later still I find myself killing the grimtotem, with no indication of what went wrong.. What happened to our "Alliance"?
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morginar
The grimtotem are backstabers, their alegance lies with themself.
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Berronaxwins
The grimtotem are backstabers, their alegance lies with themself.
Figured as much.. was kind of hoping that there was some kind of clever plot from the horde, to try and frame the alliance & the grimtotem for something to cause them to go at each others throats.. Oh well :P
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Rankkor
The grimtotem are backstabers, their alegance lies with themself.
Figured as much.. was kind of hoping that there was some kind of clever plot from the horde, to try and frame the alliance & the grimtotem for something to cause them to go at each others throats.. Oh well :P
You do realize that the grimtotems are enemies of the horde.
And if we go strictly by what the quests tell us, there's no indication whatsoever that the grimtotems betrayed the alliance. Simply that the alliance needed them to harm the horde and both alliance and grimtotems applied the old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and thus put aside their differences to battle a common foe. As soon as that was dealt with, both sides just went their separate ways, and in stonetalon as well as dustwallow marsh, their interests didn't clicked together anymore.
And if there's anyone who loves to frame others for crimes they didn't made,
That's the alliance.
The horde (at least Thrall's horde, Garrosh's troops are a whole 'nother can of worms) doesn't resort to such backstabbing dishonorable tactics.
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Monday
The horde (at least Thrall's horde, Garrosh's troops are a whole 'nother can of worms) doesn't resort to such backstabbing dishonorable tactics.
*cough*Putress*cough*
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Rankkor
The horde (at least Thrall's horde, Garrosh's troops are a whole 'nother can of worms) doesn't resort to such backstabbing dishonorable tactics.
*cough*Putress*cough*
Putress wasn't acting on behalf of the horde, but the burning legion. If you wanna count him, I raise a Benedictus to your Putress.
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Behelich
Rankk has a point in that both factions have omnicidal renegades willing to resort to all kinds of vile tactics to reach their objective. As per narrative causality, they all reach their swift and unmerciful end.
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
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Atik
Rankk has a point in that both factions have omnicidal renegades willing to resort to all kinds of vile tactics to reach their objective. As per narrative causality, they all reach their swift and unmerciful end.
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
Death to the living!
Soon all will see, this is the hour of the Forsaken!
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Behelich
Rankk has a point in that both factions have omnicidal renegades willing to resort to all kinds of vile tactics to reach their objective. As per narrative causality, they all reach their swift and unmerciful end.
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
Death to the living!
Soon all will see, this is the hour of the Forsaken!
Do you want me to bring in our certain veteran with a hard-on for the Ashbringer to counter your Forsaken? Because, shamefully, I am biased enough to do it.
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Adamsm
There was no 'alliance'; there was a momentary point where the Grimtotem allowed Alliance forces to walk through to focus on the Horde so that the Grim's could move onto other more important things for them.
And not all of the Grimtotems are evil; some did join with Baine and his forces against the coup after all.
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morginar
Rankk has a point in that both factions have omnicidal renegades willing to resort to all kinds of vile tactics to reach their objective. As per narrative causality, they all reach their swift and unmerciful end.
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
Death to the living!
Soon all will see, this is the hour of the Forsaken!
Do you want me to bring in our certain veteran with a hard-on for the Ashbringer to counter your Forsaken? Because, shamefully, I am biased enough to do it.
Do not do this UrAgahn.
You will destroy us all!
Publicado por
Lordplatypus
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
So the most underhanded and backstabbiest monster in all of azeroth (note, kil'jaedan does not count, he is not in Azeroth*) isn't a underhanded backstabbing monster?
*Umad Kil'Jaedan?
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xlightmagicianx
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
So the most underhanded and backstabbiest monster in all of azeroth (note, kil'jaedan does not count, he is not in Azeroth*) isn't a underhanded backstabbing monster?
Sylvanas detests most things that are living, whether it be Alliance or Horde. She has said many times before that she serves the Horde, most definitely she means Thrall's Horde. She seems to take pride in herself and her people, and respects those that earn her trust. If she "backstabs" you, then you most likely deserve it.
That's my take on it anyways.
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Behelich
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
So the most underhanded and backstabbiest monster in all of azeroth (note, kil'jaedan does not count, he is not in Azeroth*) isn't a underhanded backstabbing monster?
*Umad Kil'Jaedan?
You misunderstand; that 'except' is referring to the fact that Sylvanas is still undead and well after sanctioning such things as Southshore and usage of val'kyr necromancy.
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Atik
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
So the most underhanded and backstabbiest monster in all of azeroth (note, kil'jaedan does not count, he is not in Azeroth*) isn't a underhanded backstabbing monster?
Sylvanas detests most things that are living, whether it be Alliance or Horde. She has said many times before that she serves the Horde, most definitely she means Thrall's Horde. She seems to take pride in herself and her people, and respects those that earn her trust. If she "backstabs" you, then you most likely deserve it.
That's my take on it anyways.
Well, it's not so much you deserve it.
It's just that Sylvannas doesn't backstab you. You should see the knife coming from a mile away; it's going right for your gut.
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Lordplatypus
Garithos sure didn't
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Adamsm
Garithos sure didn't
Yes he really did.
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Rankkor
Except Sylvanas, for now at least. /bias
So the most underhanded and backstabbiest monster in all of azeroth (note, kil'jaedan does not count, he is not in Azeroth*) isn't a underhanded backstabbing monster?
*Umad Kil'Jaedan?
way to completely miss the point.
Uragahn said that both alliance and horde have treacherous people, and inevitably almost all of them get killed. But Sylvannas has evaded her death for...... well........ always. And doesn't look like she's gonna be kicking the bucket any time soon.
Also calling her "The most backstabbiest monster in all of azeroth" is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge exageration. I can think of at least 3 people that are more treacherous than her.
(Illidan: First betrayed his people due to his thirst for magic, by recreating the well of eternity. Then Betrayed them again by making a pact with Kil'jaeden that nearly destroyed the world. Then tried to Betray Kil'jaeden by going back on the deal he made with him. Then when Arthas kicked his ass, he truly betrayed kil'jaeden by bunkering up in outland and turning as many demons as he could to his own side. This guy simply has no loyalty, its hard to find someone who betrays more than him. HIS FRIKKING NICKNAME IS QUITE LITERALLY "THE BETRAYER")
(Gul'dan. Another one who simply has ZERO loyalty. He betrayed his master and mentor Ner'zul to gain power. Then as leader of the shadow council, he betrayed his own people to Kil'jaeden by making them eternal slaves to the legion, to gain even more power. Then when doomhammer killed the shadow council and he swore loyalty to him, he betrayed Doomhammer too by taking well over half the forces of the horde to the Tomb of Sargeras, costing Doomhammer the second war, to gain even more power. He never ever EVER kept his own word, he just screwed over everyone in his way to power. Not once did he ever honored his word, or offered true loyalty to anyone but himself.)
(Magatha Grimtotem herself is the absolute queen of betrayals. She betrays her mate, killing him to become the Chieftain of her tribe. She betrays her people by attacking and killing taurens and horde forces in stonetalon, dustwallow marsh, and thousand needles, even before Cataclysm. She fully cements her betrayal by arranging the death of Cairne, and Staging a coup in Thunder Bluff, she then betrays her own tribe by having you kill them off in Thousand Needles, and then, after you help her out and free her from captivity, she betrays you, promising that the next time you meet her she'll try to kill you. This wretch simply has ZERO loyalty.)
Compare that to the ONE time Sylvannas has been treacherous: She went back on her word with Garithos. Dishonorable? yes, but necessary. Garithos would had killed her and her people and everyone knew that. On what other time has she been treacherous? She was loyal to the people of silvermoon till the time of her death. She was only loyal to the lich king because he was mind-controlling her, so you can't really blame her for rebelling once said mind-control wore off. And so far she has been loyal to the horde (Time will tell how long this lasts, I don't really trust her) even though she already gained her revenge on the lich king. And she kept her word when she promised Crowley that she'd led them all go if they surrendered. Go figure, they surrendered, and while it would had been tactically wise to wipe them out, she let them go.
So I don't really understand why are you calling her the most backstabbiest monster of all of azeroth. Just because she betrayed your GOD Garithos? gimme a break.
Seriously dude, your hatred for sylvannas is really clouding your vision. While she's a terrible woman, she's far far FAR from the worse character this game has to offer. Both in morality, and in treachery. I'm not saying that you should like her (perish the thought) just that you shouldn't exaggerate so much. There are far worse people than her.
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