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Comment by 887322

‎"Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to trigger Fury of the Beast, granting 500 Agility and 10% increased size every 1 sec. This effect stacks to a maximum of 10 and lasts 20 sec"
hmmm10% x 10=100% 500 x 10=5000, sooo 5kagi, and makes you 2x as big as norm... at least i think so haha

Comment by OverZealous

The proc we're seeing at the moment seems a bit over the top - 5000agility is not reasonable by any stretch of imagination. With a proc like that, Hunters (and Druids, I think) would make an enormous leap ahead of the DPS competition. Hopefully it's just placeholder stats and they will be changed in time for 4.3.

Comment by Zandranas

It would be fun to have the size increase keep stacking. All I can picture is having a boss sized bear tank :)

Comment by 380942

I think the agility part is more of 50 per stack, converting green stats into one main raw stat. Considering any hit\exp and stuff can be capped twice by the time of 4.3, getting such a chunk of mainstat is definitely a good idea.

Comment by Bareno

Tauren hunter + Bloodlust / Timewarp + 10 stack of this = HUEG?

Comment by 692347

I doubt that the buff will be 500 agility, that would be 5000 agility at 10 stacks, nearly doubling the agility the player has. Realistically it would be 50 agility a proc, up to 500.
I'll interested if it will be 1 second duration, it will without doubt be BiS for feral druids, with sub-second attack speed now realistically you can have 10 stacks all the time (would no doubt mean that the act of running out and feral charging on cd which was a 1k dps gain would be a huge dps loss). As for hunters, be interesting if they can maintain a 100% up time, let alot 10 stack. If that is the case then it will be a larger increase for guilds to give to their ferals than hunters (even bears, since agility is actually one of their strongest stats (rated above stamina, as long as you can take the odd hit)

Comment by Markoswan

Proc is called Fury of the Beast. "Grants $1080161 Agility".

Apparently a million bucks will buy you 5000 agility. Now we know.

Comment by Kazlehoff

(POST UPDATED TO NEW PROC CHANCE =3 )
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the QQ from the Malevolence and Farandals Flamescythe pages finds a new home.

/popcorn.

as a druid lets get this out of the way:

this weapon will be godly for hunters and feral druids and feral tanks.

Upgrade priority will be (when all upgrading from the same weapon):

Bear tank, Kitty, Hunter.

why?
(CAUTION: UPDATED MATHS SECTION AHEAD FROM SOMEONE WHO ISNT OVERLY GREAT AT MATH. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG.)

1: 1070 Agility from the proc is a nice amount of Dodge for a bear tank, plus 2675 AP and 3%% Crit whitch are all Serious Tank stats for a Bear. Crit powers our mastery, Dodge is our only mitigation stat, and our Mastery bubbles are affected by our Attack Power.

2: The Weapon DPS is hugely important for Feral DPS. then add on the stuff above from the bear section.

3: hunters get the 1070 agility proc. an AP and crit boost, but no weapon damage buff.

the three are close, but IMO the survivability boost for Bear tanks takes priority, then the wepon DPS from kittys, then huters DPS boost Via Stat Stick

AP: 2675 Ap (2835.5 Ap /w MoW/Kings buff)
Crit: 3% (4.61% /w MoW/Kings)
Dodge: 4.39% (4.61% /w MoW/Kings)

Comment by 840139

5k agi and 100% larger. plz dont change this blizz its awesome

Comment by Radiuz

I don't see how we can call it OP yet. It's a really nice proc, but it won't stay up for 100% of the time.

It procs giving you 500 agility, and after 10 seconds/10 stacks you have 5000 agility for 20 seconds. The you lose that and since we don't know the iCD it's too soon to call it OP. Also keep in mind that it for now don't have any secondary stats either, and is supposed to be a better-then-ordinary weapon since it drops from the end-boss of the expansion.

Comment by aggixx

Imagine pulling the boss with your Flamescythe as kitty, and then weapon swap to this...

Giant fire kitty! 0.o

Comment by Jakeofb1adez44

The proc was toned down on the actual item, as shown here. (Heroic)

Edit: Was changed to reflect the actual item, used to be listed as the "horrific Pole arm" with a 600 agility per stack proc, has since been corrected.

Comment by rodmin

I think League of Legends players will remember this weapon awesome's proc from Cho'Gath's Feast, an ability which Cho'Gall's size and health increases as he eats minions or champions.

And reminding how scared i used to get when i saw an ultra-sized monster at the summoner's Rift, players using this will have tons of fun in PvP scaring other players out with the polearm's proc (until their bigger hitbox betrays them, i believe).

Warning: the link above will lead you to the League of Legends Wiki Cho'Gath page.

Edit: changed and corrected some stuff...

Comment by Arktem

Coming from the PTR

Currently the "Normal" version of this has an ICD of 60 seconds with a very high proc chance (Haven't found the exact chance yet)

The Size bonus stacks all the way to 100%.

The bonus is actually a 10 second timer that is independent of your attacks.

Comment by aggixx

Interestingly enough, the proc on this weapon, Beast Fury, lists:
Apply Aura: Mod Stat (1)
Value: 107
Apply Aura: Mod Size % (127)
Value: 10

Compared to, say, Giant Growth, which lists:
Apply Aura: Mod Size % - Doesn't stack
Value: 30

So it looks like the proc WILL stack with other size increasing effects (such as Bloodlust)!

Comment by 916462

well it's clear that they did some remaking ...it's 107 agi now x 10 = 1070

Comment by themikey

i would just like to say that i have just obtained this weapon on live tonight (normal 25) and it has +700 armor on it as well. not sure about the welfare raid finder and heroic versions.

Comment by Mihir

The return of armor on weapons? lolwut

Comment by 918772

I got this on my alt bear tank a few nights ago (as no one else could utilize it) and did some testing.

It doesn't have a visible "stack", but you increase in size and gain the listed amount of agility every 1 second for the first 10 seconds where upon it caps and you retain this for an addition 10 seconds (20 seconds total).

The proc seems to have a 60 second icd (I may be wrong, it's quite late here, and I've had limited testing), and gave me about ~3.4% dodge and ~3.5% crit at full stacks (the last 10 seconds of the 20 second buff).

Concerning weapon swapping; if you start combat with this weapon equipped it will proc and once the proc is activated you can freely weapon swap and the proc will remain active, However re-equiping the weapon whilst in combat will cause it too not proc at all as far as my testing has shown me, therefore making weapon twisting (for feral kitties and hunters) nearly useless with this.

Did some extra testing with weapon swapping whacking on a dummy and swapping between 2 staffs timing procs etc. Staff does appear to have a 60s ICD; but if you weapon swap, it appears you have to wait the FULL icd from when you re-equipped this polearm again, for it too proc again. Which still makes weapon swapping with this pretty pointless (unless you wanted to delay a proc to use at a particular time; but still, if you delay it too much and miss out on a potential proc, it'll be a dps loss).

As a feral bear I found the size increase absolutely hilarious.

As for the discussion concerning gearing tanks vs dps and what should go to who; DPS will/should always get priority (barring tank's 4 set, because it's way too powerful) for high end guilds, as the biggest barriers and constraints will be dps requirements, tanking and healing can be over come by intelligent use of cooldowns and when to use what (I am from a server first guild).
My guild is 6/8 heroic ds, the dps doing 500-1k more dps helps kill bosses more than a tank that gets a tiny bit of damage/threat/rng mitigation.

Comment by 918844

I received Kiril, Fury of Beasts along with Vishanka, Jaws of the Earth from our Madness kill. I can say that it looks like it has a ICD of 1min, as it procs at the same time as my Hungerer Heroic trinket. This is not confirmed yet as for as I know on the actual ICD. You will gain 107 agi stacking up to x10 for 20 secs. So when it procs during the first 10 seconds are spent stacking, and the remaining 10 seconds you will have gained 1070 agility. This is a really large DPS increase, the only real draw back is that I lost a lot of Crit, Mastery, and Haste, from the two upgrades.

Zed
Hunter - Rebellion
US Cho'gall
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/chogall/Zedextenr/advanced

Comment by Spl4sh3r

Just got mine on my Hunter. This does NOT stack with other grow effects. For example I used the Vrykul Drinking Horn and the Polearm effect didn't make me grow until it reached 4th stack. So it's confirmed.

Comment by phlo

most of the babbling above is based on outdated proc conjectures.
the only comment stating the actual facts is Zed's.

every minute or so, you can get a 20 seconds buff Fury of the Beast which grants you +107 agility stacking every second in the first 10 seconds, then remains at +1070 for the last 10 seconds.
the size buff follows the same pattern and will make you 10% bigger for these 10seconds per minute.

it isn't the revolutionary stat stick everyone thought it would be, but it's still one of the coolest polearm procs yet.

Comment by Mihir

Received mine yesterday, and I can confirm it does indeed have 700 bonus (green) armor. The shortest time I've seen so far between procs is 55 seconds.

Comment by turulo

Dragon Soul gives us far less weapons to choose from if we compare it to ICC:

ICC:
6 spellpower staves
6 agility polearms and staves
7 str two handed

DS:
3 Int staves
2 agility polearms and staves
2 str two handed

Lazy very lazy, I blame this on reforge and transmogriphication.

This means hunters and druids will fight hard for the only 2 agility weapons that drop in the whole raid (no one will want the staff if they can kill deathwing).

Comment by Kazlehoff

Why is there no hilarious screenshot of a giant bear yet?

Comment by 226817

First thing I noticed when this baby procced was: wait, I am just TOO big. It is not just 100% bigger at 10 stacks, it looks like those 10% add multiplicatively. So basically with each stack you are 10% bigger than with previous amount of stack. In total with 10 stacks you are 2.6 times bigger.
Btw, average dynamic AGI on this item is 736 on LFR, 797 on normal and 894 on heroic. ICD is 1 minute so uptime is 1/3, making it dynamic 245 (LFR), 265 (n) and 298(hc) AGI.-

Comment by dakoa

Wow 4.3 Kiril, Fury of Beasts - Size stack - Feral Bear Druid
Druid Bear with kiril, fury of the beasts weapon equipped (Boss loot from: madness of Deathwing)

My youtube fraps of it ->
Feral Bear Form - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDoiLN14JZE
Night elf Druid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6PYbDRaH6E

Comment by 527242

based on some assumptions this proc gives you an average of about 276 agi.
assumption1 : first 10 seconds the proc builds up having 1-10 stacks for a total of 55 stack seconds
next 10 seconds you have the full 10 stacks for a total of 100 stack seconds
assumption2 : procs once a minute on average
155 stack/60 seconds is 2.583333 stacks on average * 107 agi per stack = 276.416667 agi on average.
assumption 3 : bosses hard enrage is an exact multiple of one minute so you wont have extra benefit from a proc that does not need to fully cool down.
as with most procs it has the advantage that you can allign big cd's with your proc if you pay attention, and the disadvantage that if you should be able to have big burst dps on demand you would be hard pressed to get it to proc at the right time.
overall a lovely weapon from bear or cat perspective (as bear I like that we finally have an armour weapon again)
the only downside from kitty perspective is ofcourse that you loose 2 secondary dps stats for your 276+ agi, I am not sure if loosing about 700 points worth of secondary stats(wich is what this ilevel of a weapon would approximately have if it did not have this armour and proc) is worth the 276.5 agi. the higher ilevel than its only real competitor (spire of coagulated globules) will probably let it win though (since that weapon has less base dps and only 596 secondary stat points, same base agi though with an epic gem in it)

Comment by 922059

Swapping back and forth between this and Fandral's Flamescythe works perfectly...I do it all the time...you become a big fire kitty. Soon as you begin to grow, switch to the Flamescythe, you will continue to grow and max out the buff. Keep flamescythe equipped for a minute then re-equip Kiril. It's not a super high proc-rate, but it will proc...usually within about 20 seconds. Once you use the Flamescythe you become a fire kitty and stay that way until you leave combat. Not only does this give you the cool big fire kitty look, but also maxes out your dps...you are getting the crit/mastery while you have the full agility stacked up.

Comment by 922614

Is it called in honor of community member? Kirill is a popular slavic name

Comment by AveryZan

I was really pumped about this weapon as a feral druid when I first heard about it. When I actually got it, it worked a bit differently than I expected. I would say it's a mix of good and bad things I have learned about it.

For feral dps: By itself, I actually find this weapon somewhat annoying. It is awesome while it is active; I kind of find it like a tol vir pot with a ramp up time which is also sort of aggravating for me. even though it lasts for 20 seconds, you really only get about 9 seconds of the full 10 stack, which is the time I would want to apply a beefed up agility and tiger's fury if it’s up rake and rip combo. This creates two problems for my play style.
1. I have to deal with the more powerful spell is active thing. Even though I do generally always wait until the last tick/ end of a rip to reapply another it can still cause some situational problems during encounters.
2. I need to reapply rip during the ramp up phase. Basically when this happens I am left with a few choices.
A. I can reapply it in the middle, and either try to rebuild a new 5 point rip and clip the old while the 10 stack is active.
B. Do the same as A, but simply let it ride at the lower damage tick.
C. If the gap is small enough lose a couple ticks and wait for the more powerful.

Fortunately though, there is one awesome scenario I think outweighs the cons. With the new Tier 2 piece https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=105725#comments:id=1602621 you can auto refresh a more powerful rip via ferocious bite the whole way past 60 percent when the weapon procs. If it’s a target I can tunnel I combo a tol vir pot too.

Feral tank: I was given information that this wep is bad for tanking, and it made sense since it has nothing but a proc and agility stam. However after trying it out, I absolutely love this wep for tanking. I dodge more, I do more damage and crit more so my savage defense absorbs even more, and on top of that being a giant bear is crazy fun.

Feral PVP: I was really disappointed personally. At first it was awesome jumping people and becoming a giant cat that did insane damage, but in longer games or situations where I needed to reapply rip on a moving target while I could, I was simply unable to and for me that is too big of a disadvantage to use this. The other thing that throws me off when I use this wep is the changes to my hit box which really surprised me but it definitely confused me at times when I first got used to this. It is a good wep but it just does not work for me in arenas, rbgs there is a bit more wiggle room and could work.

Misc info: I think I saw it mentioned but you become a giant flaming cat by starting with the flame staff, hitting something and then switch to the polearm. Mostly for fun on trash and stuff.

Comment by 798291

considering it's dropped by a final boss, it's awesome! But there is some bad parts with having it :P

1) it cannot be reforged (gives armor too but canot be reforged)

2) the proc has 50 sec internal cd

3) the proc lasts 20 sec by the first stack= the real buff with 10 stacks last 15 sec

4) when the first stack is on, the nexts comes without the needing to hit

Comment by Kazlehoff

Both screenshots of this from hunters = Sadface Bear.

Comment by Sequestre

Effect will disappear if you try to mount up.

Comment by slvrbuu

"Equip: Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to trigger Fury of the Beast, granting 107 Agility and 10% increased size every 1 sec. This effect stacks a maximum of 10 times and lasts 20 sec."

107*10=1070+514 (from the actual weapon)=1584+130 (enchant)=1714 Grand total for this regular DS weapon. Not bad...

Comment by Onijitsu

You're going to think this is abso-freakin'-ridiculous. More than one resentful agil-user may even seek to downrate this comment, so let me say this: There was no Hunter or Druid in my raid today, so I ended up taking this weapon for mogging purposes on my Paladin. It would break my heart to vendor such a beautiful weapon! And, I'm banking on the hope that Blizz may bring back Strength polearms in Mists of Pandaria. I was using the LFR version of Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps for my typical Ret setup.

So, just equipping Kiril boosts my crit from 7.5% to 10% even. With the stacking proc, my crit becomes barely shy of 20%. I also lose about 1K attack power -- since Agility does not give AP to Strength users -- while gaining 100 in the weapon's straight-up DPS rating. All told, I'm not really seeing a DPS decrease from using this polearm, while it's still unenchanted with Landslide. I certainly would NOT recommend any Retadins rolling on this item for any reason other than I did.

However?

It's awfully amusing, watching my Paladin become the Incredible Growing Woman while rolling through content. ;-)

Comment by Moonscar

Important notice for DRUIDS:

1. The proc Fury of the Beast will be removed when you shapeshift out of your cat/bear form and will be on ICD afterwards.
2. The augmented size of your character will persist through shapeshift into, let's say, flight form or run form. This will be removed after a few seconds.
3. The proc stacks with Bloodlust/Heroism, which will make you huge.

Hope you found this useful.

Comment by rzzr

Speaking as a hunter I like the main stats but don't like the size increase tbh. The reason is that If you are at minimum range and you start to grow it does something to your range and the next thing you know you are meleeing the boss! (looking at you Zon'ozz)

Comment by Leitarii

Just submitted 2 screenshots with and without the 10 stack proc on a bear. Should be viewable soon.

Comment by thesandman87

ran the math on this. lets say 1ppm average of 5 minute fight

Spire of Coagulated Globules gives 193,800Agility

Kiril, Fury of Beasts Gives 193,200 Agility The proc adds 74225 with an average of 1ppm to give a total of 267,425

Now thats the average Agility from both weapons over a 5minute fight per second added up. This means with an average of 1ppm this weapon is better no questions asked for all agility class's

Comment by Rinsletify

Okay, I've done some calculations (correct me if I'm wrong). If we calculate how much agi it gives for each separate second it's:

107*1+107*2+107*3+107*4+107*5+107*6+107*7+107*8+107*9+107*10+107*10*10=16585 agi (remember the last 10 seconds with full stacks).

Divide this by the full duration and you get 829,25 agi on average during the duration. Assuming the 60 seconds internal cd is correct and since the duration is 20 seconds it's active 1/3 of the time. This means that the average agility this staff gives is 829,25/3=276,42. This of course depends on the combat situation.

As a survival hunter 1 agi is about as good as 3 crit ratings, if my addons don't lie to me. This means that the buff this staff gives is worth about 829,25 permanent crit rating, which is quite good for the ilvl.

I personally doubted whether or not to need on this thing since I had already won Spire of Coagulated Globules the same night, but after doing these calculations, I'm convinced that Kiril is the best choice. Not to mention it looks awesome.

Comment by Lordplatypus

So Deathwing's "Polearm" makes you "bigger".

Gee real subtle one there, Blizz.

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Kiril, Fury of Beasts

Item Level 403
Binds when picked up

Two-Hand	Polearm

2,629 - 3,945 Damage	Speed 3.50

(939.14 damage per second)
+514 Agility
+772 Stamina
+700 Bonus Armor
Durability 120 / 120

Requires Level 85
Equip: Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to trigger Fury of the Beast, granting 107 Agility and 10% increased size every 1 sec. This effect stacks a maximum of 10 times and lasts 20 sec. (Proc chance: 15%, 55s cooldown)

Sell Price: 46 30 63

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