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Comment by 6828

I've found the docks near Wetlands to be a great place to fish these.

Comment by Omgimdrunk

STV does have a high concentration of Firefins pools, but on PvP servers, standing in one spot with your back to the woods is a guaranteed way to get ganked. The amount of time wasted walking back to your corpse is not worth the amount of FF's. mommyclz is right about Stonetalon in the oil spill's, and their are a lot of em, 99% of the time you will pull a FF. At lvl 40, fish a oil spill till it dissipates and mount to the next one. This is lowbie land so you wont have to be on guard. I got 2 stacks (40 FF's) in an hour and got 3 waves from lvl 2x hordies.

Comment by Vashra

Firefin Snapper schools also appear in Silverpine Forest near the wrecked boat - I don't know if you can fish them when there isn't a school present.

Comment by 234387

These do not count towards the achievement "Catch x amount of fish"

Comment by 241690

I was fishing these in STV, near grom'gol and a trunk dropped with the find fish book in it..
just fyi
GL

Comment by 103638

Question:how do i get message in a bottle?

Comment by 357899

Excellent for levelling alchemy, by making Fire Oil. A little fishing can save you time gathering herbs, plus, they don't even need vials anymore.

Comment by 499375

The best place I found for these was the northern coast of Stranglethorn Vale. Schools of these were literally spawning on top of each other. (Also an excellent place for Oily Blackmouth Schools)

Comment by 40363

For the record. Fished 100 fish in STV, here is the result:
x56
x15
x15
x13
Out of 100 fish each quantity should be % of fishing rate, correct me if I'm wrong.

Comment by 425876

Just done same as last post -- fished 100 Fish in STV, The Savage Coast.

Results:

58 x Raw rockscale cod
16 x Raw spotted yellowtail
15 x Firefin Snapper
11 x Oily blackmouth

So percentage wise its around 13 - 15% taking both attempts into account.

But then you also need to account for you fishing skill level as well.

Comment by VicarChromaggus

Zone:Tanaris
Subzone:Steamwheedle Port
Total: 50 | Skill 348+5 (353) (4/~11)

Raw Spotted Yellowtail (20 : 40,0 %)
Raw Summer Bass (9 : 18,0 %)
Big-mouth Clam (6 : 12,0 %)
Raw Glossy Mightfish (5 : 10,0 %)
Firefin Snapper (5 : 10,0 %)
Raw Rockscale Cod (4 : 8,0 %)
Stonescale Eel (1 : 2,0 %)

Comment by 131684

As of 4.0.3, are these fishing locations still accurate?

Comment by 720736

Found a new location in Desolace 35-30.. there are 30-31 lvl Slitherblade Sorceresses, Warriors and Nagas around.. Firefin Snapper droprate is 38% app.

Comment by Ramenka

As of Cat i went to fish for these from the oily pools in Stonetalon,once there i found the oily pools replaced by pools of Greater Sagefish ,it would appear the oily pools no longer exist in the lumber camp.

Comment by 667114

Stranglethorn Vale is the best place to farm these. I also managed to fish up the chest containing the consumable that teaches you how to track fish, which is a nice bonus if you're farming these for your alchemist and fish for other professions like cooking as well.

Comment by 767674

Apart from STV, found 2 schools along westfall coast (though the area is still dominated by oily blackmouth schools)

Comment by rpglover101

Caught quite a few (and a chest with some good loot) off the northern tip of Fray Island in the Barrens.

Comment by 319288

This fish is an excellent alchemy leveling source. Farm this fish for Fire Oil, which goes green in 165, then you can easily do Elixir of Firepower with your mats. The elixir turns green in 185, so you can just level up your alchemy from 130 to 185 with this combo :)

Edit: I found many pools at the east coast of Cape of ST, along with oily blackmouth pools. Happy fishing! :)

Comment by chrth

I caught these in the open ocean of "The Forbidding Sea" (between Hinterlands and EPL). Looks to be somewhere between 15-25% droprate. Also found Rockscale Cod, Stonescale Eels, Summer Bass (imagine Winter Squid will be available during fall/winter), Big Mouth Clams, Spotted Yellowtail, etc, so it might be a good place to fish to get a bunch of the Swamp of Sorrows/Wetlands/etc requirements for Oceanographer.

Comment by 695025

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but I have a teeny suspicion that Oily Blackmouth schools (at least some of them) in Darkshore seem to share a spawn spot with Firefin Snapper schools. I've been farming the Blackmouths to make the free action potion and i've been noticing that when I loop back to the start of the pool spawn spots in Darkshore, I'm coming across a lot more Firefin Snapper Schools and not as many Blackmouth schools. The only way to confirm this is to fish up the firefin snappers to see what spawns in those locations.

I'll edit this post as I continue to fish, but based on current observation, there are a few Blackmouth schools that share spots with Firefin Snapper schools (at least in Darkshore). I can't speak for the other zones since I don't farm in those areas, so if anyone has any insight on spawn sharing in other zones, just feel free to reply to my comment!

Comment by 556068

These can be fished @ the dock at the end of the new Darkmoon Faire Island (when the monthly faire is in town). There is not a pool of 'em, but if you fish in the open water on the right ramp (but probably anywhere there), you can fish up a bunch. And you might also manage to fish up a Sea Pony while you are at it.

Comment by 998008

These fish really are very helpful for leveling alchemists (you make fire oil to make and then make other items), and you also level up your fishing!

Comment by 838878

Oh snap!

Comment by Thottbot

in south shore i got blackmouth and firefin, fairly frequently

Comment by Thottbot

Fishing off the Zoram Strand is a good place to get Firefin and Oily Blackmouth.

Comment by Thottbot

Best place I've found for Horde to catch Firefin and Oily Blackmouth is at the Zoram'gar Outpost on the Western edge of Ashenvale. I've gotten 6 in a row of both types here at times.

Comment by Thottbot

I've been having quite a bit of success fishing for them at Booty Bay

Comment by Thottbot

So one day I was bored and actually wanted to see how often I could catch firefins and blackmouths... So here is what I caught after 20 minutes of fishing on the Menethil docks:

29% - Blackmouths: 12
9% - Firefins: 4
62% - Other: 26
Total Fish: 42

This was with my fishing level effectively around 170
(skill was 120 + nightcrawlers)

So unless someone knows of a better place for firefins, I'd say it'll take you quite a while to make significant amounts of fire oil.

Just as a side-note, Oily Blackmouths were going for about 2 gold per 10 when I checked the AH. Which means if I sat there and fished for an hour or so I could make a nice round 10 gold between the firefins and the blackmouths.

Just my 2 Copper

I wish you could fish with polearms...

Comment by Thottbot

In Menethil Harbor, between Deepwater Tavern and the old Osprey shipwreck (the shipwreck a bit southeast on the map) ... I found a school of Firefin snapper.

I was working on the Morbent Fel quest for the ingots and saw a school of red fish swimming around.

As soon as I saw it, I jumped on shore, equipped my rod and fished away. I must have gotten 8 or 9 Firefin Snappers before the school eventually left.

One way to see the school from above the water is there will be a circle on the top of the water ... sort of like a disturbance of something swimming beneath it. That's a good marker to look for. Try to get your bobber to land in or around the circle for best catching results!

There were also several schools of Oily Blackmouth fish around the other shipwrecks in the area too.

Comment by Thottbot

With 1.9, you can now find schools of Firefin Snappers in Cragpool Lake west of the loggers in Stonetalon Mountains. But... it's not just a school of fish, it's an "oil spill", complete with a black goo and a barrel floating in it.

Comment by Thottbot

You can catch them both off the docks in southshore at level 65 without needing any further +'s with bait.

Comment by Thottbot

I really don't have a difficult time when I look for these. The best place for me thus far is on the coast in Shadowprey Village. When ever I get there is about 3 schools floating around.

Comment by Thottbot

WHenever I need some snappers, or some money I always take my Horse to Dustwhallow Marsh. Start at the graveyard near Theramore, and walk along the beach till Ratchet. Many spots there, and almost no competition, like in STV

Comment by Thottbot

300/300 Spec

I don't know if it's any different on your servers... but my little secret sweet spot for Finefins and Blackmouths are in Desolace. If you just run the coast at Shadowprey Village (horde) then when your done farming there... go north to the next open coast line.. there's about 5 or 6 more schools there.

By the time you're done farming one area, you can go back to the other and it's replinished!

Happy Fishing!

Comment by Thottbot

"also for firefin snappers, i caught like 13 in Stonetalon mountains on Cragpool lake, near an oil spill i got em."

Confirmed

This is the best place to get firefins, also watertight chests when you cast into the floating debris. Go up and down the river there and you will get 20+ stack in no time.

Comment by Thottbot

Went fishing in Stonehale mountains and caught 34 in 40 minutes with a lure on. As well as a bunch of greens from the floating wreckage. Just start at the top of the rover and make your way south. By the time your done the top ones respawn. Expect to get 3-5 on average from each pool with a low of 2 and a high of 7. Goodluck :)

Comment by Thottbot

Booty Bay have both Oily Blackmouth and Firefin Snappers, lots of them. Just go to Booty Bay.

Comment by Thottbot

Just got done spending 1 hour farming for Firefin Snappers in Windshear Crag, Stonetalon Mt. Payout was 48 Firefin Snappers, and some stranglekelp. Just follow the pool of water and keep hitting the oil spills. Pretty much every cast i put in came up with one. No oily blackmouths which surprised me. Started fishing skill at 84+50(nightcrawler) and ended at 131+50.

Havent tried Shadowprey village coast which i hear is great also, but for low lvls who need the firefin for Alch then i think Windshear Crag is the place to be. Happy Fishing.

Bobaphat-Hakkar server

Comment by Thottbot

instead of standing in one place fishing, i started walking north on the west coast of stranglethorn vale, looking for schools of firefin.

to my suprise these schools was plentyfull

1 hour later i had over 60 firefinns, 20 blackmouts and almost 40 stranglekelp.
from floating wreckage i got boxes wich gave me 11 green items to sell, bolts of mageweave/silk and rune cloth, and a book that taught me the "find fish"-skill.
this skill is a tracking skill that makes all schools and wreckage apear on the minimap, making them easy to see.

if your looking for firefin snapper or blackmouths i recommend doing this.

(was 305 fishing skill when i started, didnt need any lures and such)

Comment by Thottbot

I found a good firefin school at 27 17 in the wetlands, got about 6 from it before it went.

Comment by Thottbot

If you want to make the swim/walk, I've found POOLS of firefin dotting the coast by Ethel Rethor in Desolace.

Three just in one spot I'm standing in.

Comment by Thottbot

The best place I have found by far is in the Windshear Crag in Stonetalon Mts. It requires fishing of 55 but there are oil spills all along the little creek that flows down from the big lake. Lots of Firefin there.

Comment by Thottbot

Booty Bay + Desolace = Joy.

Comment by Thottbot

I have found while fishing in Stonetalon Mountains in both Blackwolf River and Cragpool Lake, which are listed with the highest drop rate percentage, that you have to fish in the Oil Spills only. That is the only place I have caught them there.

Comment by Thottbot

Requires fishing level 130! I just flew to Shadowprey Village and only found out when I got there. I was level 125, so had to go away, fish some more, and go back...

Comment by Thottbot

...and I'd found a school i couldn't fish at the time : (

Comment by Thottbot

I got these really early! When you're questing around the north edge of the Stonetalon Mountains, where millions of freakin Venture Co Loggers and Deforesters are, there are often oil spills in the river- aka schools of Firefin Snapper.

I found three oil spills randomly while I was questing and fished them all. Oil spill = Firefin school

Comment by Thottbot

I fish fire fins at booty bay catch rate there is about 20 of 100 fish...you get 20 oily black mouths at the sametime

Comment by Thottbot

Desolace, Shadowprey Village:

4/18 The beach near the village

2/20 The beach just outside of the village.

Comment by Thottbot

You can pretty much get them every other cast in Southshore. Use a strong fishingpole though. No need to panic about all those oily blackmouths.

Comment by Thottbot

Menethil harbor is a good place if you also need Oily Blackmouths. I fished for about 45 minutes on the coast north of the cemetery and caught 18 firefins and 22 blackmouth. Also several chests had 5 bolts of woolen cloth, 1 heavy leather, 1 Heavy Blasting powder, and 6 Rumsey Rum Ales. If your a herbalist, you'll probably get over 20 stranglekelp. The key is to look for the schools or for the floating debris. Good luck! I think it's a great spot.

Comment by Thottbot

hey i just wanted to ask: is firefin snapper so many gold on AH?

Comment by Thottbot

in the logging camp area in stonetalon mountains...along there river there's a number of oil spills and underneath'em are firefin nappers

Comment by Thottbot

For horde, there are 2 firefin snapper school in Shadowprey Village in Desolace.

Comment by Thottbot

Blackwolf River is great for Firefin snapper. I am a alchemist on my druid and this is the best place I found to fish for Firefin Snapper. The drop rate is good, only tip I have is you need to fish the oil berrals that are floating in the river. You may still catch the Firefin snappers in the river away from the oil barrels, but the drop rate is much better around the berrals. I got 40 fish in about 10 mins.
Good Luck.

Comment by Thottbot

I went to Windshear craig in Stonetalon mt. and it was amazing. For about 20 minutes of fishing i got about 50 Firefins. I started at the skinny end of the River and worked my way to the lake then back down and back up again.

Comment by Thottbot

Literally a ton along the south eastern coast of Tanaris and all in fishing nodes so really easy to catch.

Comment by Thottbot

I fish these up around stranglethorn vale between booty bay and grom gol. Find the special fishing spots and you either get a firefin snapper or Oily blackmouth.

Comment by Robbie

Firefin Snappers are used by alchemists to create Fire Oil.
Southshore, Wetlands and the eastern coast of Dustwallow Marsh are popular areas to fish these pools.

Comment by Allakhazam

I fshed for a while in MH and caught 20 Oilys and 11 firefins in about 30mins
Lvl 125 now lvl 40
BTW where do u get the next lvl of training for the fishing once u hit 150?

Comment by Allakhazam

So... What is the level required to fish these 'lil tackers?

Comment by Allakhazam

Another great place to find schools of these fish is at Shadowprey village, in Desolace. Just follow the coastline south of the village and numerous schools of the fish spawn at a quite decent rate!

Comment by Allakhazam

There are sparse schools of firefins in Southshore. If you keep re-casting until you drop the line right into one, you get a 99% chance of catching one. Most schools last for about 3 each before they disappear but whatch for the Merlocs, they don't like you stealing their fish.

I went north from Southshore and got a total of 21 firefins in less than half an hour.

Comment by Allakhazam

Not having any luck getting these, someone who's caught them fairly regularly mind letting us know what your fishing is up to and how often/not often you get them, and where? Please and thank you

Strykewulf - Night Elf Rogue on Medivh - Fishing=165

Comment by Allakhazam

I got 8 in about 25 mins at Menethil Harbor -once I got pass 135 skill got 3 in a row and also a lot of oilys also.

Comment by Allakhazam

Have fished for firefin and oily in several places. Without doubt, the docks in Menethil is the best....I took 3 toons from under 140 to 225 here, and the oily came roughly 1` in 3 catches, and the firefin came roughly 1 for each 2 oily caught. This by actual count.

Comment by Allakhazam

Got 13 Firefin Snapper and 30 Oily Blackmouths in an hour...

Comment by Allakhazam

If you're looking for Firefins and Oily Blackmouths, the best place to fish them all day from one spot is Booty Bay. Sit anywhere in the bay and fish. I have a 37 warlock with a 300 artisan fishing skill and got 10 firefins and 7 blackmouths in about 15 minutes there.

Comment by Allakhazam

what level do you need of fishing to fish them?

Edited, Sun Dec 26 17:51:53 2004

Comment by Allakhazam

have to be fished for as far as i know

Comment by Allakhazam

Hi,

I was reading the posts on this site and went to menethil harbour to fish. I was there for a little over an hour and fished 100 oily blackmouths and 40 fire fins. My fishing skill is at 150 and I used fishing baubles that added +75 to +100 skill.

I don't know if this will be much help to any of you but I thought I'd share. It seemed pretty successful for the oily blackmouths but the fire fins were a little bit more rare to catch.

Anyways happy fishing.

Edited, Dec 24th 2007 6:21pm by Keewie

Edited, Dec 24th 2007 6:22pm by Keewie

Comment by Allakhazam

There are also oily blackmouth and firefin snapper schools along the coast of feralas :)

Comment by Allakhazam

I am a lower level under 20 horde. I have trouble fishing from booty bay at level 100 with a 50 and 75 lure. Are their any horde locations with good drops for these?

Comment by Allakhazam

I went to Southshore last night around 8pm EST. I found that on the Eastern Strand there were lots of Firefin Snapper schools while on the Wesetern Strand there were lots of Oily Blackmouth schools. You guys should try it out, I hope it works as well for you as it did for me. Happy fishing.

Comment by Allakhazam

It appears that if one fishes near the naga on the beach at southshore, you can fish up one every ten minutes, or every fifteen or so fish, I was there for two hours and came away with 4 of them, enough to make 1 potion of Firepower... Hmmm I guess I'll have to try Booty Bay

Comment by Allakhazam

:D.....i got 40 oilys,5 stonescales,23 firefins and 1 smmal locked chest outside gormgol base camp in 3 h.with 180 fishing and 75+lure

Cownan lvl 35 tauren shaman EU server rangnaros!

Comment by Allakhazam

Yeah, this guy doesn't sell 2/3 the resources displayed here. Major problem when it comes to 100% accuracy. I spent 10 mins out of my way to get here and learned the hard way not to depend on this site. Any reason for the bad update? I wonder if allakhazam.com has a dump code to retrieve data from Blizzards SQL server. Please don't tell me you guys do this manually! Well, I'm off to another site where I know for a fact their info is updated every 24 hours and noted. I don't recommend this site to anyone who has to fly across worlds to have a resource based on their info as of this minute. Hope you guys get it together then I'll be back. What a shame. I really like this place, too. :(

Comment by Allakhazam

anybody know where the vendor is that sells these?

Comment by Allakhazam

Long live Menenthil i got in 15 minutes at lvl 65 fishing 4 firefin snappers and 2 oily blackmouths

Comment by Allakhazam

something strange happens with their drop rate (or it's totally random ofc). I fished tons on the dock of horde village in Desolace while doing my 225+ fishing q. I mean 15+ of each in less than 2 hrs and thinking I got the perfect spot I went back again some day later only to get 2-3 in 30 mins... They're pretty thin in AH and when they do appear they cost a lot...

Comment by Allakhazam

Awesome place to fish for these is in Windshear crag in the Blackwolf River and Cragpool Lake.

I was there during peak hours on a weekend and fished for these uninterrupted.

Comment by Allakhazam

Firefin Snapper found it useful and entertaining. He's not advertising anything but helpful tips >:P Doi.

Comment by Allakhazam

If you go to the very north-eastern tip of Darkshore, you will come to the edge of the Veiled Sea. I had to swim to get to this point. I started fishing from a rock outcroping just past the deep water(when your swimming, you'll see what I'm talking about) with a fishing skill of 110 and no lure. I caught 3 firefins in the first 10 minutes, but no more untill I reached skill lvl 125 where I caught another 4 in 10 minutes. After that I was able to catch one more for about every 8 - 10 minutes of fishing. In total I caught 11 firefins and 5 oily blackscales in 45 minutes time.

Edited, Tue Mar 22 03:32:28 2005

Comment by Allakhazam

Fishing these and Blackmouths in the "Schools" off the coast of STV, got 33 of these and 37 black in 1 hr. + i got like 20 chest, wich incl. bolts of RC, MW, Silk. Money. Food and some greenies

Comment by Allakhazam

Booty Bay is by far the best place to catch them. In about 2 hours fishing with a 225 skill and +100 lure I caught 17 of them and another 10 Oily Blackmouths. These fish went for a lot in the AH, too.

Comment by Allakhazam

to booty bay then!

Comment by Allakhazam

300 fishing skill + iron pole
Baradin Bay

65 minutes and caught - 18 Firefin Snapper - 38 Oily Blackmouth - 70 Rainbow Fin - 2 crates and one locked box.

Tonopa
Lightbringer

Comment by Allakhazam

Since no one's mentioned it. Try the Oil Spills in Stonetalon. The spills consistently have Firefins and sometimes you'll find wreckage that contains boxes with goodies.

Comment by Allakhazam

Southshore is packed with schools of these guys...pretty easy to find...just walk along the shore and watch out for the murlocs xD

Comment by Allakhazam

where is the best place to catch em?

Comment by Allakhazam

Got them there with a fishing skill below 100.

Had no idea what they were used for so my bird ate them...

Well, guess I regret feedin' 'em to the bird now.

Comment by Allakhazam

Just mount up and run along the STV coast. Schools of them are frequent and you get 4-6 fish per school.

Comment by Allakhazam

Just found these in Booty Bay on the pier near the Wharfmaster at level 30, with a skill of 106 using a +100 lure.

They were few and far between..about 3 in 15 mins of fishing.

Comment by Allakhazam

I got 13 from Menethil Harbor in under an hour...
Also got 20 Oily Blackmouths.

Comment by Allakhazam

I don't know if this is true for anyone else. I look on the AH and there are people with starting bids for these things (stack of 20) at 1g and 2g buyout. I am only trying to sell them for 1g buyout now because they weren't getting bought and they still aren't. I put them up every day and nobody buys them...

Comment by Allakhazam

Outside of grom'gol camp and at the docks in descolace i got about 17-20 in les then 15 minutes, try the schools of firefins and blackmouths, the crates give u nice stuff sometimes to and the rumsyrum u get sells good to.. dont fish outside of schools it'll take u 10 times the time...

Comment by Allakhazam

If you have low level but you want to hook them, you can go to Stontalon Mountains and there in Cragpool Lake and Blackwolf river. There is a lot of them. You have to fish the schools!

Comment by Deformaster

Go in Stonetalon Mountains. Go there in Windshear crag (east) and look for oil spills along the Blackwolf river. If u start from the lake in the north to the end of the river, u should find at least 5 schools, including wreckages.

Comment by LibertyBoy

I've had almost 100% chance of getting them in the Oil Spills located in Stonetalon Mountains at Windshear Crag.

Comment by MikelosM

There's a place in Stranglethorn where I plopped down to fish (starting, I had 129 fishing skill + 75 from the shiny bauble). I caught 15 Firefin Snappers (and 15 Oily Blackmouths) in 40 minutes; about one Firefin every 2m40s. My haul:

80 - Other - 72%
15 - Firefin Snapper - 14%
15 - Oily Blackmouth - 14%

Comment by KnightTime

While Stranglethorn Vale is listed as the highest drop rate zone, I decided to fly to Wetlands to spend an hour leveling (from 180 to 215 during my time there) as it was much closer to Ironforge. The results:

134 Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore (~65.4%)
38 Oily Blackmouth (~18.5%)
31 Firefin Snapper (~15.1%)
2 Waterlogged Crate (miscellaneous engineering materials)

That works out to roughly one catch every 18 seconds, on average. The listed 16% rate for Firefin Snapper versus my result was pretty close. If the type of "trash fish" matters, STV is better because of Raw Rockscale Cod and Raw Spotted Yellowtail drops.

Comment by CommanderAmaro

I caught a ton like 24+ Firefin in about 30 mins in Stontalon. Thats waaaay more then any other area I tried plus its low level and you dont have to worry about pvp to much there.

Comment by Metsu962

Minimum Fishing Level: 55
Avoid 'Fish Got Away': 150

Comment by Metsu962

Minimum Fishing Skill: 55
Avoid 'Fish Got Away': 150

Comment by akmarizam

one stack of 20 sells for 1silver. and never never sold in auction. not even the fire oil or fire potion.
I must say that this fish is almost useless. cannot cook as food as well.

vendor.

Comment by Hatefiend

WOTLK-Classic - Fished for 2 hours in Wetlands at around 3AM server-time:

157 Oily Blackmouth (26%)
381 Rainbow Fin Albacore (63%)
63 Firefin Snapper (10%)

El's Fishing site claims Wetlands has a Oily Blackmouth drop chance of 30% but this seems slightly inaccurate.

Comment by Ssateneth

On Classic SOD- if you're alliance, I think Wetlands ocean coast open water fishing is probably your best bet to get both Firefin Snapper and Oily Blackmouth in relatively efficient numbers. I got about twice as much blackmouth as firefins. I also tried in Stranglethorn (booty bay fishing off the docks) and got about the same amount of each, overall less per time. Hillsbrad ocean fishing off Southshore dock may be about the same %'s as Wetlands.

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Firefin Snapper

Item Level 25

Max Stack: 20

Sell Price: 5

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This item can be fished in Darkmoon Island (12), Desolace (10), Dustwallow Marsh (6), The Cape of Stranglethorn (6), Ashenvale (3), Tanaris (3), Feralas , The Hinterlands , and Wetlands .

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