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Commentaire de 73706

These wolves have potential to be really great. They last for 45 seconds and only have a 2 minute cooldown, so they can be up a large amount of the time.

At this point I think everyone wants to know: how much health with they have? How much damage will they do? And what abilities will they have?

Hopefully "under the command of the shaman" means these wolves will have abilities you can control, like a warlock's pets rather than just being able to tell them who to attack.

EDIT - 9/30/08

Been playing with my shaman on the PTR and I am loving this talent more and more. The healing you can get with Spirit Hunt can be very helpful especially with how hard everyone is hitting at the moment. Run into battle, summon your wolves, hit spirit hunt and shamanistic rage and you can survive the initial burst and lay into them with your own burst damage.

At the moment, the Bash ability seems severely underpowered, but still useful since shamans otherwise lack a stopping ability of any kind (wtb Hex). The 45 second cooldown is too much however. A 30 second cooldown so you can at least stun twice every 3 minutes would be much better in my opinion.

The wolves also move incredibly fast. If the target you send them to attack is in range they will be there instantly which is a great help. Combine that with your own ghost wolf form and an earthbind to remove snares and shamans have a much easier time getting in range.

Overall this talent is looking to be very useful, but the 3 minute cooldown is kind of a bummer, plus the overall mechanic seems to make shamans more long cooldown dependant than before. Even with almost 400 resilience I can't seem to survive more than a few seconds in range of many classes without the healing and shamanistic rage.

POST 3.0 LIVE Edit: In a word, amazing. Popping these wolves has to be one of the coolest moves in all of World of Warcraft. The passive healing the wolves do plus shamanistic rage mean its going to be very difficult for anyone to kill you while both skills are active.

Just general stats from my wolves: They had about 10k hp and hit for anywhere from 200-250 on an S3+ geared warrior to hitting Zuljin in ZA for about 400.

In PVP their Spirit Walk ability is incredibly helpful when fighting classes that kite and helps save your pvp trinket for other situations.

In PVE, besides the added damage (which has the potential to be pretty decent... stack AP!) the healing is also going to be helpful on fights like Najentus where there is a lot of random damage.

But really, its all about the coolness factor.

Commentaire de Archdmon

This is most likely going to be similar to the Druid's Force of Nature spell.

Commentaire de chazkohler

This spell is probably modeled off of Thrall in W3, or the Far Seerer hero. I could see it being like the Priests' shadowfiend, where there are no commands, but I hope otherwise.

Commentaire de 134784

I think the point of this talent, as insofar as raiding enhancement is concerned, is to replace the all out dps on boss fight provided on 20 min cooldown from fire elem totem. since the totems that WILL al ways be down in a raid environment in WotLK seem to be;
Windfury totem (20% phisical haste)
Strength of Earth totem( +Str & +Agi)
Flame Tounge? (+ spellpower/healing)
and the classic mana totem

that being said the overall raid dps loss by swapping out one the aforementioned totem(s) will be greater than the personal dps gain from ye ole fire elem totem, so in short, use spirit wolves & "max dots" away!!

*edit for spelling

Commentaire de 90371

The spirit wolves will have special abilities attached to their pet bar, much like a water elemental.

"They'll have abilities (like a stun, snare etc.) and will serve as a DPS timer. "

Commentaire de 110751

If we could use Fire Elemental + Spirit Wolves at same time...
It would be nice both in PvP and PvE.

Commentaire de Liax

Orc racial Command will hopefully include these at some point.

Commentaire de olss0nftw

They exist in the beta now. These are the spells they have:

Bash - Your Spirit Wolves stun the target for 2 sec. (45 sec cooldown)
Twin Howl - Your Spirit Wolves howl, forcing all enemies to attack them for 6 sec. (15 sec cooldown)
Spirit Walk - Removes all movement impairing effects and increases the movement speed of you and your Spirit Wolves by 60% for 15 sec. (25 yd range, 32 sec cooldown)

Spirit Hunt - Your Spirit Wolves' attacks heal them and you for 5 sec. (10 sec cooldown)

Commentaire de synthetique

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=58857
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=58861
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=58859 nature damage =P
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=58877 (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=58879)
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=58875

Commentaire de 205841

does twin howl work in pvp?

Commentaire de 73706

I've now tried them out a bit on the PTR. They are actually really cool and have great potential. Only thing I don't like is that they don't benefit from the 5% increased damage racial of orcs and they do pretty low damage overall. On level 56 mobs in Winterspring (Outlands was down) they were only hitting for between 75 and 90. Would definitely like to see a boost in damage, although the other buffs and debuffs they give are very nice.

Commentaire de 123022

Any screenshots?

Commentaire de 179440

Looks like they will be more of a tank/buff type pet rather then a DPS pet and if so I see no reason to increase their damage. This talent sounds great to me, the Enhancement shaman does some good damage already and this will give you some neat abilities that are strong yet looks balanced as they cant be used at any time. They should benefit from the Orc racial though, even if my Shaman is a Tauren I think they should and it would make sense.

Commentaire de 59472

You will able to use spirit wolves in arena.

Commentaire de iBeastMastery

Hmm...This combined with the Earth r Fire Elemental totem gives Enhancement shaman's three pets, similar to a moonkin's treants (except the elemental can't be controlled)

Commentaire de olss0nftw

Blizzard Quote
"I said Strength at one point, but they never did scale off of Strength. In fact they never scaled off of anything. They were the same no matter what your level or gear. We fixed that though, and they should scale very well (using AP, not Str). Let us know if that isn't happening. Then you're going to love them next build."

So they will now scale with AP and THATS a nice change.

Commentaire de 227865

Ok, this is sweet against those damn mages. :) No more frost nova!

Commentaire de 156946

I was testing out the updated version of the wolves on the PTR's. The potential of these wolves are amazing, mostly due to their (now) constant 150% heal of attacks. In addition to the stun and sprint being very usefull for PvP, they're also the best addition to PvE i could ever imagine as enhancement. They can be considered as the same type of ability as Shamanistic rage only in this case regenerating HP instead of mana. I was able to run around for half an hour (that's as long as i bothered grinding) killing mobs without eating or drinking and i never ran out of mana nor HP. A great addition to the enhancement library since we now are less mana efficient (due to the increase in spellcasts) it serves us good to not have to use heals as often as we had to.

In addition i think, though i havent done enough testing on this, that the Sprint ability stacks with Ghostwolf (on the current PTR) i was only able to try this out a few times due to the trademarked lag on the Test-realms

Commentaire de 185839

Tried this out earlier today, first day of the patch. I must say, I was extremely disappointed to find that my wolves lacked Spirit Hunt, the move i was most exited to use. Just a heads up for anyone else who got their hopes up. :(

Commentaire de 205906

You will be able to use this as the same time as Fire Elemental Totem.

Commentaire de 175971

With the wolves bash ability i found that when one bash is finished the other wolf uses bash as well so it's more of a 4 second stun cause when it comes to the wolves everything is sort of doubled because of the fact that theres 2 so monkey see monkey do

Commentaire de 59868

Anyone got an idea on where to check for wolves abilities? Can't find the tab in my spellbook as hunters do neither anywhere else. Also, it was "Bite" ability mentioned here, though, I don't see it.

Commentaire de 193410

I find myself asking can u have them out while you're in ghost wolf?

Commentaire de danroe

Thes wolves should be called "I Win Button"

I dueled an enha shaman out of Org today. He had crap gear -Blues and some PVP S2 thingies

The duel started, i slowed him, he summoned the wolves. (im arcane mage)

The next thing i knew, the wolves were hitting me. I used frost nova. They sprinted, And got to me. Reslowed the shaman, so he cudn't touch me. Got stunned. Blinked. They were after me.

Those damn wolves Dished 11k of my HP in 15 seconds, more or less.

Not to mention i had Mana shield Up as much as i could, and the shaman couldn't touch me due to slow, he was not in range for shocks

Commentaire de raymix

I used the wolves as soon i entered outland at lvl 60. I was in party with my bro lvl 60 feral druid, doing quests together. Usually on slaying quests where we had to kill 10-30 mobs, i spawned my wolves, pressed Spirit Walk and agroed about 12-15 lvl 60-61 mobs at a time, kept using their taunt, so all enemies targets wolves only (together they have massive HP), combined with shamanistic rage, Strenght, Health and Magma totems, and just dpsed trough all enemies in few seconds. Leaving us with full HP and MP.

Just a tip for fast leveling....

Commentaire de 218285

with x-perl ui-addon i cant see the pet actionbar. witch means i cant use bash and spirit walk, dont realy have room on my regular actionbars for two more spells. anyway, do anyone know how to fix this (and still use x-perl)?

thx

Commentaire de 129359

A very cool thing about the spirit wolves that I hadn't noticed before was they benefit from shaman totems, and heroism like normal pets.

Commentaire de Luciferian

Here is a macro I use to escape if I need to. It summons the wolves, then cast Feral Spirit, then Ghost Wolf, then Feral Spirit a second time after the cooldown is off.

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=45 Feral Spirit, Spirit Walk, Ghost Wolf, Spirit Walk

Commentaire de Remas

this talent works only on wotlk or can be on tbc 3.0.3 too ?

Commentaire de Vesicular

These are actually useful in normal 5 mans as CC. You can attack a target on pull and the wolves will gladly tank the mob for the 45 secs they're up. Just don't use their taunt, or they'll grab the aggro of all the surrounding mobs. While they can't really be used as main CC (because of the cooldown), on a large pull when CC is tight, this can come in rather handy.

Commentaire de Nivrax

Suprising, no one mentioned that they share skin with the infamous Ancient Grimtotem Spirit Guide, some hunters my still remember this "event" and not be happy seeing them. Read comments in the link for details.

Commentaire de maniacfox

These wolves are like a pocket party, they can tank, dps and heal to different degrees. If I get a bad pull and end up having to fight a crazy amount of mobs at the same time I can summon my wolves and my health doesn't stop bouncing off max for nearly for whole fight... easy. If I need to take out a group elite... you know the score.

You'd be crazy to pass this up for just one talent point.

Commentaire de amgyn

As stated earlier the wolves are currently bugged.

The spirit walk ability was supposed to remove snares and increase run speed, currently (3.0.3) they do not. however patch notes indicate this will get fixed.

The patch notes however do not indicate that a fix for the damage bug will be addressed.

The Wolves damage (and thus healing) are supposed to scale with your attack power. At this time they do not.

Not sure if the wolves health are supposed to increase or not.

we'll see by the time Ulduar patch is pushed on PTR.

Commentaire de Sgtown

Wolves now melee for about 300-400 non-crit each, in addition to having a 1 second attack speed, so yes, they do easily 800 DPS.

The bash included with the extremely fast attack speed AND run speed makes spell casting a nightmare, they're almost impossible to get away from.

With the right cooldowns, yes, this is an IWIN button.

Commentaire de shamanfang

i actively use this ability now, and i can say this.

it has a 3 minute cooldown, so you can use it often.

its great to use against speedy enemies, because if you make them attack that enemy theyll stay on him.

the ability spirit hunt is now a passive, so your recieving constant healing for 150% of the damage they do, which for me is anywhere from 300-500+

they are controllable, so its exactly like having a hunters pet for 45 seconds, but you lose control of them if you get too far away or one of them dies. when you lose control they effectively become nothing more than a "guardian" for the remainder of the time their out, attacking only what attacks you.

their great in warsong gulch because of their spirit walk ability, making you walk 60% faster for 12 seconds+removing all snare effects from your character, and you can send them off to deal with/distract anyone trying to kill you while you have the flag. their passive (forementioned) also helps with flag capture + defense a great deal.

they have a "bash" ability that stuns target for a certain number of seconds, i cant exactly remember how long, and they have a "howl" ability that draws aggro, so theyre good if your getting overwhelmed. they have roughly 7k health, and do damage based on AP. and yes, as you lvl they lvl with you.

im a lvl 70 tauren shaman, (i bought WotLK, havent had a chance to break it in yet, my internets out, im at the library D'X )
and im also a goblin engineer, so i can effectively "summon" a small battalion. my mechanical dragonling (which unfortunantly serves as a minor distraction now) my wolves, and untill recently, my barov servant trinket. (summons 3 guys, but they only last for about 20 seconds) now i have a goblin rocket launcher which i must say is killer for defending in warsong because of its range, damage and stun effect.

Commentaire de 152648

Are these able to be feared etc? My friend says they r immune to cc but in many vids I've seen them be howl of terrored etc. They had a shadowfury stun on them 1st so I don't know whether that has anything to do with it.....

Commentaire de 302046

These are the wolves you summon. ^^

edit: spelling

Spirt Wolves

Commentaire de DrChristmas

I think it's noteworthy to mention that they stay out and follow you if you're in Ghost Wolf form or mounted. They even follow you if you're on a flying mount. Of course, their timer is still running down.

Commentaire de Fantic

I did a little test today on my lvl 74 shaman. I wanted to see how well they scale with AP. First test was a base test. then the all out bells and whistles. I had to use the lvl 70 dummys though, as the 80 and boss ones were too high.

1643 Base AP - 13,868 damage (301.7 dps)
2641 Max AP + Bloodlust - 25,716 damage (532.6 dps)

Commentaire de mrgummage

Is it just me or is Spirit Hunt retardedly overpowered? A normal PvP fight will not last more than 45 seconds a Spirit Wolf is active, and the passive healing from the pets would grant a massive amount of extra "health" to the shaman for the duration.

I fought a fully PvE geared shaman today, and his pets auto heal outhealed my burst - even with Lightning Generator.

Commentaire de 225343

Feral Spirits easily rip anything you're targeting to ribbons. Elite mobs, Grouped Quests, other players? Lunch meat to the wolves. I've even off-tanked, or even taken over, tanking in instances after the main tank drops aggro or dies altogether.

Even on a terribly geared Shaman, you can usually heal more damage than you're taking. I was able to flawlessly finish all Outland and Northrend grouped quests up to five-player quests without using anything but Feral Spirit and Shamanistic Rage.

Bundled with Earth Elemental, an Enhancement Shaman is a one-man wrecking crew up to the current patch. This more than makes up for the horrible nerf taken during Vanilla WoW to Windfury. Enhancement Shaman are whole again.

Commentaire de 351418

I got this off Elitist Jerks today.

Our 51 point talent produces approximately 100-200 DPS when used on each cooldown, around 300-400 DPS during each activation. Wolves scale with the shaman's Stamina, Hit Rating, Armor and Attack Power. Their attacks fall under the 1H/2H attack table and will reach the Hit cap on physical attacks at 8% (262 rating).
Stat Scaling
Stamina 0.30
Hit Rating 1.00
Attack Power 0.30
Armor 0.35

Commentaire de 356049

Another something from that same Elitest Jerks page:
copy this macro into the game to see the wolves' stats once you activate them
/run if not oldHasPetUI then oldHasPetUI = HasPetUI; HasPetUI = function() return true, false; end end PetTab_Update() ToggleCharacter("PetPaperDollFrame")

Commentaire de 268708

So far it doesn't look like anyone has asked this, but I wanted to see if anyone knew if these wolves act like a Death Knight's gargoyle in the way that for it's duration it's power is based off the death knight's point of summoning and remains that strong until it dies or will these wolves get stronger if WHILE SUMMONED our AP increases?

Commentaire de 144159

anyone thinking this would fit better in the elemental tree?
I mean, they got this taunt ability, which will keep the caster free off the mob.

Besides that, in Warcraft III the Far Seer hero was elemental, and had this feral spirit spell, so it would fit better into story line.

Commentaire de 409839

Are they passive now?How it works then i saw that they heal you.

Commentaire de 340256

Do they scale with on use Trinkets like ?

If so should I pop the Trinket, then Feral Spirit and then Heroism to get the maximised effect out of my wolves?

Also can they be buffed with say like Blessing of Might/Kings? Or do the buffs that are already on the Shaman who summoned them count towards the wolves as well?

Commentaire de 190992

I have to say these wolves are amazing on my shammy for lvling. Using Glyph of Feral Spirit I have been able to solo every group quest in outland so far (Im lvl 66) except ring of blood. My spirit wolves heal me for 200-300 just about every second and 400-600 on crits. Best spell I have ^^

Commentaire de SirVaksghn

Does the AP they get decided at the time of summoning or does it change while they are around. For ex, if I summon Feral Spirit and the use Bladefist's Breadth or Blood Fury will they get the extra AP too or should I use the items and summon the Spirits when the buff is still up?

Commentaire de Nightseer

A great macro for this spell:

#showtooltip Feral Spirit; Spirit Walk
/cast Spirit Walk
/stopmacro
/cast Feral Spirit
/sw
/sw 45
/sw play
/in 45 /sw
First click on the macro will cast the Feral Spirit spell. In addition, the stopwatch will become visible (unless it is already shown), and a 45 sec timer will start, showing the remaining duration on the wolves. When the timer reaches zero the stopwatch is automatically hidden again.
Furthermore, clicking this ability while the wolves are up (pet unit frame is visible) will cast the Spirit Walk spell, but will not interfere with the stopwatch.

As for the tooltip, when the wolves aren't up the tooltip for the Feral Spirit spell is shown, and when the wolves are up the tooltip for the Spirit Walk spell is shown. Very handy for displaying cooldowns.

Commentaire de 327680

Are the wolves classified as Elementals for things such as a warlocks Banish?

Commentaire de yuoflim

These dogs are so awesome! I popped shammy rage and wolves in a group quest because I was helping out a guildy and downed the elite in 20secs... Because I I had the wolves on aggressive I saw them jump behind me then run back.... when I turned around I saw a dead drenai... It was so hilarious :D My guildy said he was trying to kill me... hehe

Commentaire de 216072

You can essentially get two two-second stuns (if used at least 15 seconds apart and no other stun DR from other players) from your Spirit Wolves during the 45 seconds they are up.

The autocast AI for Bash will stagger the wolves Bash usage so that the two stun durations won't overlap, giving you ~3 seconds of stun. If you use autocast for the first Bash, but turn autocast off before the second wolf uses Bash you can click to use your second wolves stun when you want even though it says it's on cooldown.

This is on the 3.3 PTR, can't test this is on live because I don't have a Shaman.

Commentaire de Rankkor

hands down the most awesome and usefull spell blizzard has ever added to the game.............

for just 1 talent point, you get:

a 15 sec sprint (wich can be used twice)

two 2 sec stuns.

Inmunity to movement impairing effects for the duration of the sprint.

a massive boost in DPS.

and an even bigger ammount of self-heals.

when used in solo-pve, you can safely solo ANYTHING while the wolves are out, since u're basically, almost inmortal, the self-heal will greatly overlapse any damage u're recieving.

when used in group-pve, they boost your DPS by a large margin.

when used in pvp they increase your survival, boost DPS, and protect against snares/roots.

let's be honest, what more can someone ask of a single talent?

Commentaire de zadck

I just got the wolves on my shaman, and thought they would be underwhelming. What is not explicitly said in this thread is that the 3 minuet cooldown starts the second you summon them. This means that the "true" cooldown is 2 minutes and 15 seconds. Also, after doing some very simple math ((3*60=180 180/45=4)) you can see that the wolves have a one fourth uptime. That's really good. Not as high as the uptime for water elementals on mages, but ours does more stuff.The PvP benefit is huge what with heals, stun and sprint (sprint up to twice per summon!). But they even have their tanking roll. They are able to taunt all nearby enemies 3 times before going away. They are great life savers and elite mob helpers!

Commentaire de 476166

As of 4.0, these now have a 2 minute cooldown (down from 3), but only last 30 seconds (down from 45).

In my opinion, I view this as a benefit. We can use wolves more; we only have to wait 1m 30s for the cooldown to pop back up after our wolves disappear; for PvP, we'll have the chance to get off a second cast; for PvE, we'll be able to pop these boys more frequently for trash or questing.

There are negatives, of course. The 30 second timer only gives you two opportunity to use the abilities with a 15 second cooldown (Twin Howl, Spirit Walk), and because they don't last as long, you'll have less time available to soak up wolf heals. But all in all, I view this as a positive buff.

Commentaire de 793843

These guys Move realy fast, so they can pretty much keep up with you, and apparently ( If you are as good as i am ) You can make them fly ;)

Commentaire de 873280

i added it up on the talent tree, you will have enough talent points at lvl 69!

Commentaire de 828244

The weird thing about feral spirit is that the healing scales weirdly at lower levels. from the level you get it to about 80, when your wolves are out you're technically invincible due to the massive healing they give you. the healing becomes insignificant later on though

Commentaire de CrittinRogue

It appears they heal 1-2 health points per attack now. Bug or nerf?

Commentaire de rodalpho

The devs told us exactly how Feral Spirits scale with Attack Power at the link below.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5889309137?page=182#3635

I'm pasting it here in case they retire the beta forums after release.

The one significant change that you probably won’t be able to datamine is an increase to Feral Spirits’ damage. They now get 50% of your attack power each, up from 30%. And their Spirit Bite ability’s damage has more than doubled. The net result should be that Feral Spirits are significantly stronger than before, probably somewhere between 70% and 100% stronger, depending on gear.

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Esprit farouche

Esprit farouche

Talent

12% de la mana de base	30 m de portée

Instantanée	2 min de recharge

Invoque deux Esprits du loup qui obéissent au chaman. Dure 30 sec.

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Durée

30 secondes

École

Nature

Mécanique

n/d

Type de dissipation

n/d

Catégorie GCD

Standard

Coût

12% de la mana de base

Portée

30 mètres (Moyen)

Incantation

Instantanée

Recharge

2 minutes

GCD

1.5 secondes

Effet

Summon (Esprit du loup)
Valeur : 3
Rayon : 2 mètres
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

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