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Kommentar von frmorrison

This is pretty much the enchant to use pre-70 on a DK.

Kommentar von 21484

Runeforging is a profession-like ability for Death Knights. While it is used like other professions, you don't need to train it; you get new recipies like every few levels as class abilities. There are no skillpoints to train. A Death Knight can only change the runeforged enchant on his weapon at a Rune Forge (obviously). At the moment, you can find Rune Forges at least in Acherus and Shadow Vault in Icecrown.

A runeforged weapon cannot have an enchant other than the temporary enchants, such as sharpening stones. Luckily for Death Knights, the runeforging recipies scale with level and gear. Here's a list of the runeforging recipies and the level a Death Knight receives them.

55 - Rune of Cinderglacier
55 - Rune of Razorice
57 - Rune of Spellbreaking (Only for 1h weapons)
57 - Rune of Spellshattering (Only for 2h weapons)
60 - Rune of Lichbane
63 - Rune of Swordbreaking (Only for 1h weapons)
63 - Rune of Swordshattering (Only for 2h weapons)
70 - Rune of the Fallen Crusader
72 - Rune of the Nerubian Carapace (Only for 1h weapons)
72 - Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle (Only for 2h weapons)

Kommentar von 46845

better, on par, or worse then crusader enchant? just curious cause i have one sitting in the bank that i forget to put on the auction house with the other weapon enchants i did.

Kommentar von 172114

Icy savagery look to this....awsme looking rune :D

Kommentar von Abron

If only Cinderglacier and Fallen crusader proc'ed more often together than proc'ing seperately

=(

Kommentar von 66161

Loads better, with more of a value given to Unholy for use on a buffed Deathcoil or Scourgestrike, or Frost for the obvious choices it brings, for Blood the value of this enchant isn't as high as it is for the other specs, but you still get forced crit deathcoils, and Cinderglacier doesn't have a lowered proc rate for after 70.

I don't agree with you at all.

Think about it-- Cinderglacier gives you a 20% bonus to a handful of spells for only two charges.

Fallen Crusader, on top of its healing, gives you a whopping 30% increase to strength. This means more damage to ALL of your spells (Every DK spell is based on AP.), diseases, abilities, etc, rather than a flat 20% increase to two spells. Did I mention Fallen Crusader has a high proc rate?

Kommentar von 233437

Does this stack? Like if you're dual wielding weapons with it on both? (like Mongoose does) Or is it like Executioner which just reapplies itself

Kommentar von 65521

This is very useful for Frost, and less useful for Blood/Unholy.

The simple reason is that Frost will *always* use this to good effect with any of their spells, while Blood/Unholy will "waste" a charge on IT many times because IT was next in the rotation and/or DC wasn't available.

Kommentar von 292423

This test isn't valid, because IIRC the proc chance of the offhand is halved.

Damage of offhands are halved, but if they allows proc rates to remain the same then they would greatly surpass 2hers in DPS because you would essentially be able to have a 2h weapon with two enchants. To combat this, they reduced proc rates for offhands as well. That way, you can't put something like crusader or mongoose on an offhand to get double the PPM of a 2h weapon.

If you really want to test it, use a 2her and test this rune for 1,000 swings. Then, using the same weapon, use the other rune for 1,000 swings. Record procs with a damage meter or some such, so that you can measure the proc rate accurately. Eyeballing it could work, but you may miss one or two that way.

Kommentar von RedwoodElf

For blood spec, I'd probably dual wield and put Frost or Shadow oil on both weapons. Even if you don't have a frost attack in your normal rotation, the oil procs will get the cinderglacier boost.

Kommentar von 226474

I like Cinderglacier better than Razorice when tanking (frost spec). I'm not sure how they compare in straight up dps, but Cinderglacier allows me to time my Howling Blasts to increase AoE threat while Razorice just provides a constant threat increase against a single target.

Kommentar von 52390

The buff this rune applies is spell ID 53386, for those who want to plug it into mods (i.e. Parrot, MSBT, etc)

Kommentar von 156146

Try this out

Step 1. You spec shadowfrost
Step 2. You'll need to dualwield
Step 3. You enchant ure OH with Razorice and ure MH with Rune of the Cinderglacier
Step 4. You go into a BG, see if you can get 5 stacks from Razorice, then when you got "Killing Machine" ready, then you pop it and use death chill right after. Its an enormous burst and its rlly fun! :D

If ure bored, try it out, you don't need to spec differently than when using a 2H, since the burst you're going to make is magic DMG.

Gl hf!

Kommentar von MichusAurelius

While possibly not ideal for competitive PvP, rocking out Fallen Crusader and Cinderglacier in BGs is most certainly amusing.

Few things in my own WoW adventures have made me laugh like camping the tunnel in WSG, cracking off a Hungering Cold, and then lighting up 3-5 people with several thousand damage through a Deathchill'd Howling Blast.

This doesn't serve much actual purpose, but it makes the WSG daily BG quest far more enjoyable.

Kommentar von 454762

i say this is the best rune

Kommentar von Ruhig

Simple question: does this work on the Heirloom weapons, or does it count as too high an "enchantment" for them?

Kommentar von 405574

I decided to try this rune while tanking heroics (Just because I've got defense rating pouring out my ears right now), and it seems to barely proc at all while DW tanking. Fallen Crusader on the other hand, seems to proc every single trash pull, sometimes it procs repeatedly during a single pull. 1.5 ppm seems accurate (at least in an anecdotal way), but it's not very exciting.

Kommentar von 444612

Is this by far superior than using Crusader + Heirloom wepon till level 60? for an unholy DK and/or PvP perspective.

Kommentar von Octayvius

There is an amazing trick to using these weapons, The 20% more damage on your frost and shadow works on icy touch and scourge strike, as well as the dots they get applied, you can roll the damage increase cause its a % and keep the 20% more damage on your dots while switching to your better weapon with razorice or fallen crusdaer on it.

Basically you can roll your dots with this enchant and not have to use it permantently.

Kommentar von 253076

Alright, I am in need of some clarifications here: Is it necessary to reapply diseases after this procs for them to yield the increased ticks, I would assume so? Also, will they retain the damage bonus even once the cinderglacier charges are consumed or how does that interact? Finally, assuming the diseases do retain the increased ticks upon the consumption of the cinderglacier charges, what will happen if they are refreshed by say, pestilence+GoD? Will they retain the increased ticks, similar to "rolling" warlock DoTs (corruption, primarily)?

Kommentar von 670067

How often does this rune proc as of 4.0.3?

Kommentar von rlindse5

Odd fun fact about Rune Forging BoAs, you need to be a certain level to learn and cast a Runeforge, but any DK can use any Runeforge if it is availabe.
Ex: If you, like myself, are one of the odd few who have 2 Death Knights on a single server, you can send a BoA (Neugeschmiedeter Echtsilberchampion for example), to an upper level Death Knight (let's say 80), Runeforge it with Rune of the Fallen Crusader (or any other rune), then mail it ot your lower level Death knight (let's say 58), who will still be able to use it.

Why?

In WotLK, Runeforges required a certain level to use, however to allow them to be used on heirlooms it was made into an "actual" profession, and so Runeforges only require a 300 skill in Runeforging to use, similar to engineering goggles.
Since ALL Runeforges require 300 skill, and all Death Knights have 300/300 Runeforging, passing on Runeforges to a DK alt is possible.

Kommentar von Nekodemus

As a Frost (dual-wield) DK, I use Razorice+Fallen Crusader for my PvE weapons, and Cinderglacier+FallenCrusader for my PvP weapons.

The reasoning behind this is that although Cinderglacier is unpredictable, I know that I won't necessarily have the opportunity to build up the stacks of the debuff on my target to make Razorice reach it's potential.

I could use FC+FC, but the chance of +20% damage on a Howling Blast (or other frost/shadow damage-dealing ability) appeals to me more than doubling the chance of getting the Unholy Strength buff from Rune of the Fallen Crusader, especially when I don't think FC stacks with itself.

Kommentar von Ordayc

A few facts about the Cinderglacier (CG) proc:

(a) Tod und Verfall (DnD) does not consume CG charges but benefits from CG.

(b) CG increases the damage of both Frostfieber (FF) and Blutseuche (BP) if it is active while they are applied. CG stacks are only consumed if the triggering spell itself benefits from CG. That means:

Eisige Berührung consumes 1 stack of CG, although both Icy Touch and the triggered FF benefit from CG.
Seuchenstoß does not consume any stack of CG, but the triggered BP benefits from it.
Pestilenz does not consume any stack of CG, but all diseases created by it benefit from it (the original diseases remain unaffected, however).
Eisketten does not consume any stack of CG, but the triggered FF benefits from it.

(c) CG's bonus is updated on-the-fly for DnD, but not for diseases. That means if you get a Cinderglacier proc after you've cast DnD and applied diseases, your DnD's damage will increase, but your diseases's damage will not. (The same is true for the case that CG fades: DnD's damage decreases, FF/BP's damage remains unaffected.)

(d) CG increases any Frost and Shadow damage from item procs without consuming charges. This applies to both direct-damage and damage-over-time procs.

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