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评论来自 176329

ugh, this is going to be problematic. this talent basically means the rogue will have to be in the tank's group. but, when you have pally healers, the tanks will want their auras. and so we won't be able to make full use of this. that just sucks. a good talent, but, you should be able to assign the party in which it will take blocks, dodges and parries from....course, this would mean it'd be in your spell book, but still, at least you'd be able to....adapt.

评论来自 ApoY2k

But what exactly does 'Combo Moves' mean?
Any other talent buffing finishing moves is labelled '...your finishing moves...' and any talent buffing CP adding abilities is described as '...abilites that add combo points...'.

This strange formulation could mean both...?

评论来自 Rangvald

In a 25m raid this is basicly a "free 6% extra crit" since it will be up like all the time probably :P

A Fairly decent Pallytank have ~30% Block. 60% with Holy Shield (I think thats the name :P) up, and then increesed block from another tallent. So lets for fun say that the Pallytank have a frequent 65-70% Block. Meaning about 3 out of 4 hits he take will grant us 6% crit! And this is from the tank only, there is 24 others in the raid to count in aswell! Therefor I do the conclusion that this will be a 6% frequent extra crit :)

评论来自 54514

I'm curious about the range of this. Obviously this is not really an issue in a pve raid if it has a decent radius, but I'm wondering about battlegrounds. If it has an unlimited range, it'd be a pretty consistant 6% crit bonus there as well.

Not awsome with the sheer volume of resil out there, but not bad either.

Anyone know?

评论来自 147633

Anybody else think that the name doesn't really fit the new effect?

评论来自 Dredg

Does it proc when the rogue dodges or parries?

评论来自 Vulajin

The wording "combo moves" as used by this ability and the new Lethality has been tested and confirmed to mean "those moves which generate combo points and which are neither openers nor finishers." In other words, Backstab, Ghostly Strike, Hemorrhage, Mutilate, Riposte, Shiv, Sinister Strike.

Ambush, Eviscerate, and Envenom are not affected.

评论来自 229126

does this move count for when you yourself dodge?

评论来自 232110

in battlegroung when this talent proc my stealth fades -.-"
why?

评论来自 54149

Not brillant if the info above is correct. You only do a combo move ~ 2-5 sec depending on proccs etc. , If it was pure % to all moves it would mean +6% crit, constantly.

Rough maths for how much crit this will leave you with:
wep speed on mainhand being 2.50, offhand 1.50.
Say you gain enough energy for a backstab exactly every 5 sec. that means the mainhand hits twice before you execute the backstab, or presicely. so two white hits + the backstab is 3 hits. 6%/3 = 2%.
That would be it if you only had a mainhand, however, the offhand hits ~ 3-4 times within this time limit (4.5-6 secs for 3-4 hits) So all in all its 6-7 hits including the combo move. 6/6=1. 1% crit, or depending on 3 or 4 offhands hits, maybe even less is what you end up with for 3 talent points. That is WEAK. (just like these maths are, but hey i bothered)

This is based on how often you crit in the hits you do after combo move 1 untill combo move 2 (including) It's not the formula to get an exact +1% based on every single hit. Thats not possible for a talent that only adds crit to a certain move.

评论来自 DeathBlood

When talented correctly, it's possible for Rogues to have a 100% chance to apply Deadly Poison. This allows for more Envenom use, especially useful for PvE.

"Each strike has a 30% chance of poisoning the enemy" -Deadly Poison
"Increases the chance to apply Deadly Poison to your target by 10%" -Improved Poisons
"Following the Envenom attack you have an additional 15% chance to apply Deadly Poison " -Envenom
"increases the bonus chance to apply Deadly Poison when Envenom is used by an additional 45%". -Master Poisoner

Keep in mind, Precision increases chance to hit with poisons (not be resisted), not increasing the chance to apply poisons.

Regardless, with a 100% chance to apply Deadly Poison, this allows you to get more doses up on your target quicker, even faster with Slice and Dice. More 5-dose Envenoms means more dps. Sounds like common sense, but I've seen PvE Rogues take Turn the Tables over Master Poisoner; and that is a serious mistake, not just for missing out on the 3% crit chance utility being provided to the raid, but for the sacrifice in their own personal Envenom dps.

评论来自 jerald

I agree, Turn the Tables should never be used over Master Poisoner, at least for PvE raiding.

评论来自 391016

Turn the Tables <>Close Quaters Combat

i might take Turn the Tables over Close Quaters... or iam going to try it out
as a Rogue in my Guild Tested to take TtT over MP and got a Nice Result out of it.
Not WOW NICE but a lower geared Rogue got a Nicer DPS.

Remember it might Look nice on Papir but the Realiety might be Diffrent.

评论来自 163330

Other raid members will be dodging what exactly? If the tank is doing his job correctly.....

Not suggesting it wouldn't be up 24/7, just saying..

评论来自 shadowdragon986

Hopefully they have to dodge nothing. However, you're considering bosses only and not mob trash pulls or bosses with adds. There you have an OT also handling duties, so you have twice the chance to have this proc. Also there maybe instances where a tank is doing his job but other rogues or yourself may dodge or parry (can't think of any off the top of my head) but it could happen.

评论来自 Noyomo

This would be a excellent talent, if blizzard hadn't buffed master poisoner so much. With how much master poisoner got buffed this talent got left in the dust. Even in cat, with 5 more TP's you'll put them into sub if the talents aren't totally changed, finishing the 51/18/2 build into a 51/18/7 build. The recent change to DP also makes master poisoner even more powerful.

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