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Arguably the best pre-tier 4 tanking legs out there. Pick these up instead of your Dungeon set legs - the set bonuses for 3.5 are on 2 and 4 pieces, leaving you available to grab these as well while still keeping set bonuses.
Paladin tanks, since you're getting to Revered anyway, see about picking up (
) as well.
put 3 solid star of elune's at 12 stam each for a total of 105 sta (you'll lose the 6 block value socket bonus).
If you use the clefthide leg armor mentioned above thats 135 total stamina!
Hate to burst your bubble M8 but sockets have colors for a reason. Star of Elune is a blue gem. Bliz did this to prevent what your talking about stacking stam gems.
I hate to burst YOUR bubble, but what he is talking about is perfectly feasable. Socket colors only matter if you want that gray bonus (which is why he even mentioned you'd be giving it up). meta gems aside, you can put any colored gem in any colored socket.
Incoming nerf! Currently on the PTR these legs have been nerfed to the following:
Interestingly, I must assume that Blizz forgot to include the cost of the gem sockets for these legs.
The reduction on current test realm is:
That's exactly what you get if you socket 3 rare gems.
They're still comparing as good tanking legs, so I guess that shows how overpowered they are at the moment.
Nerfed as of 03/06/07
These leggings just got Nerfed.
Equip: Increase defense rating by 18
Equip: Increase your dodge rating by 11
Vote undeadmoo's comment down. The numbers are incorrect.
Equip: Increase defense rating by 18
Equip: Increase your dodge rating by 11. <-- Not 13
I got these today, and getting Karazhan now that I have my 'pre-raiding' stuff all together.
I spent very much on these legs.
I got the following on these gems legs ;
'Solid Star of Elune (
'Thick Dawnstone (
'Flashing Living Ruby' (
I also got Clefthide Leg Armor (
Still wondering if I can get 100hp on them, if it's possible to stack it up there.
That is much spent on one legs, but hey, one damn good legs.
Continuum Blade is not a tanking or healing weapon by far, it's clearly made for casters such as locks and mages. The plus healing is dwarfed in comparison to Hammer of the Penitent (
) or even the Northshire Battlemace (
) which you can get from running KoT instances anyway and boost your rep further. Stamina does not a tanking weapon make. Latro's Shifting Sword (
) or even the Riftmaker (
) would make comparable tanking weapons. (Though admittedly the proc on Riftmaker would see a slight decrease in threat generation for the time it's activated.)
Sorry, but Continuum Blade is the best pre raid tanking weapon for a Paladin tank.
Paladins don't generate aggro/threat from white damage, but from Holy spell damage, with threat modifiers. Given the high spelldamage, quick speed, and high stamina, this is ideal for Paladin tanks.
The weapon slot is the best place for a Paladin to gain spell damage, since weapons generally are not loaded with tanking stats. (ie. Paladin does not need to sacrifice mitigation and defense as much).
But anyhow, this thread is about the Timewardens pants, not Continuum Blade. Oh, and by the way, if you want to see Paladin tanking in action, check this out
P.S. Pally Tank in the link is using the Continuum Blade
I heard something about these leggings are going to be nerfed, any truth to that? Or am I a victim of the grapevine?
They already have been nerfed.
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Nerf incoming on these? Confirm/Deny?
Legguards of the Resolute Defender vs Timewarden's Leggings
Timewarden's has 31 more armor even after +armor from the agility on Resolute (negligible).
Timewarden's has 15 more stamina (good).
23 agility (+.69% crit and +.76% dodge @70 for Warrior)
+ def. rating 31 (13 defense skill)
+ parry rating 20 (+.89% parry @70)
3 sockets w/ +6 block value bonus (red, yellow, blue)
+ def. rating 18 (7 defense skill)
+ dodge rating 11 (+.58% dodge @70)
But then if you use only green gems which are very cheap, you can get a +9 stamina blue gem, a +6 defense yellow gem, and +3 str/+4 stam purple gem for a total of:
+28 more stam than Resolute
+6 block value than Resolute
-7 defense than Resolute (-2 defense skill (because of how rounding down works))
-%1.07 percent of mitagation from block/parry than Resolute
-%.69 crit from agility than Resolute
Basically, it's mitigation vs stamina. I'd rather take +280 HP from one slot because from other gear I am easily at 45%+ mitigation. Also, the better gems you use, the more stamina you can get from Timewarden's.
I crunched the numbers on these 2 pieces myself just now. I was VERY disapointed in the avoidance on Timewarden's on my protection paladin--I don't see you mention it here but did you factor in dodge from agility? Resolute Defender's 23 AGI + Clefthide's 10 is netting me 1.32 dodge% (~25 dodge rating!!) by my Tankpoints readout.
My post here is basically for Protection Paladins. Alot of paladins have commented that these are great because they don't waste any budgeting on STR, but I would argue they are not so great for most Paladins, because most of us have a steep mountain to climb when it comes to reaching uncrushable status, thanks to our active blocking ability being inferior to warriors. That being said:
Most tankadins beyond 490 defense live by the mantra "dodge rating is king" but you can fill this piece with +8 dodge rating rubies and it won't touch the combined dodge from AGI, solid parry rating and innate avoidance from high +DEF that can be found on Legguards of the Resolute Defender.
If you, like me, are a pally still trying to reach that fabled 102.4% avoidance uncrushable status while active blocking (takes alot more avoidance gear for a paladin than warrior) I would STAY AWAY from Timewarden's. They'll cost you several nights rep grinding, 30g to buy, much more gold on top of that for the gems--to upgrade these to ~1-2% less avoidance and a chunk more HP than Resolute Defender's, which are a free (easy!) quest reward.
Conversly, if you are deep into uncrushable territory, by all means grab these and jam them full of +12 STA gems for a ton of extra HP! -- just don't automatically assume these are "the best pre-raid tanking legs" because you might be screwing yourself out of alot of avoidance, especially if you are a paladin with our (realitively) gimpy shield block ability.
*Disclaimer: Your stats my vary, due to base racial stats, combat rating rounding down, your proximity to avoidance caps, etc. I took most of my data readings from TankPoints' hit table calculator, butt naked, plugging in the stats for each item in question. That being said, you can safely imagine a " ~ " next to all these values to represent approximately!
*Note: I'm also assuming both Items will use the cheaply made/purchased Clefthide Leg Armor.
*Final Note: when I speak of "Avoidance" I'm strictly speaking % towards uncrushable status!
Here's the data:
Legguards of the Resolute Defender
Armor: 942 + 66 from AGI = 1008 = 7.99% Dmg Reduction
STA: 42 + 30 = 72
AGI: 23 +10 = 33
DEF: 31R = ~13 = 0.52% (M/D/P/B/Cr)
Block: 0R + 0.52% from DEF = 0.52%
Dodge: 0R + 1.32% from AGI + 0.52 from DEF = 1.84%
Parry: 20R (~0.84%) + 0.52% from DEF = 1.36%
Dmg Reduc: 7.99%
Total Avoidance: 4.24%
Armor: 1019 + 20 from AGI = 1019 = 8.29% Dmg Reduction
STA: 57 + 30 = 87
AGI: 0 +10 = 10
DEF: 18R = ~7 = 0.28% (M/D/P/B/Cr)
Block: 0R + 0.28% from DEF = 0.28%
Dodge: 11R + 0.40% from AGI + 0.28% from DEF = ~1.26%
Parry: 0R + 0.28% from DEF = 0.28%
Dmg Reduc: 8.29%
Throw in 1 Subtle Living Ruby (+8 Dodge) and that brings it up to:
Two Subtle Living Rubies?
At this point, for about 120-135g worth of gems on my server, you've created Resolute Defender's -0.87% Avoidance + 150HP, or a chest HP enchant. In other words, don't do this! Of course, if you can afford the knock to your avoidance without becoming vulnerable to crushing blows, put three +12 stamina gems in there for a huge 1230 HP on one piece. The trade comes out to about 50% less avoidance for 59% more HP, a fair trade if you are way out of reach of crushing blows, but until then stick with Resolute Defender's IMO while you are still reaching to that 102.4%.
Wow, all these long comments about tank stats. Now for something important.
These pants are blue with red patterns. It was pretty hard to find a tabard to match, but Sha'tar tabard comes pretty close. Pick it up for 90s when exalted.
Anyone putting anything other than 3 Solid Stars of Elune in these is pretty much terrible. I direct you to
Would you rather grind 110g or revered with KoT? Yeah, I thought so, so go buy some felsteel leggings :)
You'll give up ~20 stam, 6 block value and 7 dodge (if you get the felsteel socket bonus) but you'll gain 15 defense and 238 armor. Well worth it to me, especially considering how incredibly easy it is to come up with 110g in Outlands.
Now with the pally buff in 2.3 we get a grand total of 16% more stamina from items! Meaning if we socket these with
3 solid stars of elune (36 stamina)
put clefthoof leg armor on(+30 stam and +10 agi)
we would get
123 stam times 1.16
which = 142 stam!
Thats pretty much 1420 health on these.
I like these legs and I recommend them to any prot warriors that don't have the badges for Unwavering Legguards, great stamina, good armor, and it's got some decent avoidance.
So how exactly do you put 3 Solid Star of Elune (which are blue gems) into a parof leggings with a red, yellow and blue gem socket? Am I just being crazy here or is that just not possible?
Avoidance is not everything, in fact it is almost nothing in terms of tanking.
I've been looking for upgrades as I recently hit 70 with my Paly and I've come to a conclusion about these VS Resolute Defender. By the time I or anybody else is tanking Bosses that crush, you will most certainly not be wearing either of these pants. I have pretty good gear, but I am getting pummeled in heroics because I am not at 13K HP or more. My def is over 500, I like having the extra avoidance you get from the Def rating without really having to work for it. But I am still technically crushable. I really don't think that matters at this point. By the time I am tanking those bosses I'm sure I will have either badge reward pants or Kara pants from being an offtank, as none of the trash mobs crush.
I decided to go for these pants and fill the slots up with Sta avoidance/sta gems. I may never hit uncrushable in them but I'll have 1420 HP as someone calculated vs 720 from Resolute. This for a difference of less than 2% avoidance.
Enduring Talesite: 4 Def 6 Sta
Regal Nighteye x2: 8 Dodge 12 Sta
Sta (57+30+18)+16% (Sacred Duty&Combat Expertise) =105+16.8 =121.8= 1218 HP
Block Value 6
I don't typically socket for the Bonus, only if it benefits my build and in this case I think it's worthwhile. Nice armor, nice avoidance, and great Sta.
I'm guessing with crushing blows being removed from the game these become the clearly superior pre-kara pants.
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These are no longer sold by this vendor. The only available for a plate wearer as of 07/19/2014 from this vendor are Savage Plate Leggards.
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Item Level 115
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Socket Bonus: +6 Dodge
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
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