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The set bonus for these items isn't really that good - at all. 5 Piece bonus Is alright, but defiantly not worth It if you have 2 items better than an item in the set.

No more a rogue set than a huntard set. But the green parts are PoE, and they make a pretty penny at the auction house for people making a rogue twink.

評論來自 netherbane

Actually the defias set is better for druids then rogues i would say, sure the set gives bonuses like increase daggers which makes it seem like its for a rogue, but, look at the overall set bonuses, its mostly sta and str, agility is the lowest bonus, you only get 9 agil from a 5 peice set, a druid that uses bear form most of the time, wants to tweak his attrubtes to be mostly str and sta, cuz bear form is just a gimp version of a warrior, so sence this set is mostly str and sta, it would be good for a feral druid that plans on using bear form alot, of course if you are gonna be a caster druid and moonfire/wrath spam and heal, then fang set is better for you.

評論來自 8234

this set is pretty nice for a rogue twink because of the bouns you get from all 5 and its agility but if your not making a twink i dont recommend wasting your ime trying to get it

評論來自 45013

there is also the cloak of the brotherhood (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=5193) and the bandit shoulders (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=10405) to make a really complete set.

評論來自 Taiki

Many people are blinded by the fact that it is a set. The only reason to get this set specifically is for novelty purposes only. If you are a twink and have some common sense (or any sense at all for that matter) you will not, and i repeat not get this set.

The chest armor is obviously an item to get since it gives nice stamina and other stats to boot. But why would you get the 3 strenght 3 agility pants just so that you get 10 extra armor when you can get leggings of the fang that gives 5 strenght 9 agility and 4 stamina for example?

Making a twink (which is a great way to ruin the game for people without thousands of gold thank you very much) is about not compromizing and making your character the strongest possible to compete in the battleground range of your choice.

Conclusion: It's not a bad set and if you get several parts of it then good for you. But don't go after it because it's a set.

評論來自 74126

i prefer it on my rouge more than my druid becuase it looks great with my defias mask and bandit shoulders.

評論來自 84071

I'm going to get this for my roleplaying gear just because it's look. It matches well with Cape of Brotherhood, Bandit Shoulders and Ebon Mask.

評論來自 99516

check out "of the fang" set better in every way(-looks) for every class.
hunters rogues get this chest and belt and all else "of the fang"

combo gives
hunters 11 more ranged ap
rogues 11 more mlee ap
4 weap skill
lose
-3 sta
-2 arm
-4 spell dmg
-10int
-6 agi( crit chance)

評論來自 amautor

The Embrace of the Viper set was completely upgraded. I'm wondering whether or not this set will be, because it seems a little unfair that the beginning horde instance gives a much better leather set than the beginning Alliance instance. It also goes against how Blizzard said in the patch notes that all instance drops would be rare quality items.

評論來自 Stormblind

has anyone noticed a slightly nerfed drop rate on the Defias set? (Gloves/boots/pants). Ive run there probably 10-13 times over the past month, and ive found ONE pair of gloves, one pair or boots, and no pants.

It's mildly puzzling.

評論來自 107584

2 Expertise Rating gives 3 Expertise at level 20 which is pretty good.

評論來自 108978

i find it surprising that the boots gloves and legs were not upgraded in 2.3 and are still green...

評論來自 104026

well, the set is BoE except for the chest. Embrace of the viper is largely BoP.

The interesting thing about this is that it makes it viable for twinking, if you put an armor kit on the leggings, you can still take advantage of the set bonus value... which I THINK supplies better AP for melee, and only slightly less stam then the embrace set. It's pretty good, all in all.

I need to look at the numbers again, though.

Edit:
ok, comparison of typical twinking items vs. defias leather.

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=10399 standard.
Unless you're alliance, this is the standard item for rogues. SOME will go for the tunic of westfall for the agi (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=2041) , but this doesn't really hurt you.
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=10403 vs. https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=6468
18 AP vs. 5 agi and 6 stam. I think the new version of the defias belt may be BETTER, but you lose dodge.
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=10402 vs. https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=19969 or https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=1121
The boots hurt you probably the worst. You either lose out on 8 AP and 5 agi worth of dodge, or you miss out on 10 stam and a BC enchant.
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=10401 vs. https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=10413 or https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=6586 or even https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=7284
The gloves also lose you between 1 and 8 AP, including between 4-6 agi worth of dodge. They contain 1 stam, as opposed to the 4 in a scouting glove of the monkey. The red whelp gloves actually give a proc that's equivalent to 1-1.3 dps per minute with 1.5-1.9 speed daggers, the equivalent to about 14-20 AP. Being a 5% chance to proc, though, and the fact that a ton of rogues use shadowfang/cruel barb at this level, (and with shadowfang's relatively slow speed for a 1h), no one really uses the red whelp gloves.
and lastly https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=10400 vs. https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=5961 you lose 2 AP and 5 agi worth of dodge.

The set bonuses, however, make up for this by the expertise and AP bonuses.

The arcane resistance offers a slight buff to resisting polymorph, which is nice, but not dependable enough to be consequential unless stacked with more. The armor makes up for a little bit of lost agi, but again, it's not that great a bonus.

From typical twink gear, you're going to be down about 100-200 hp or 4-8 AP, (depending on what you pick) you'll also lose around 10% dodge from the agi. In return, YOUR attacks will gain about 0.95% chance to not miss, not be dodged, not be blocked, and not be parried. for warriors, pallies, shammies, and pets, that's 3.8% more on the table. for hunters and rogues that's 1.9% more. (correct me if my figures are wrong)

druids you'll likely be hitting from behind anyway. =P

Regardless, it doesn't look like a bad option, by any means. and it's more stylish.

評論來自 59139

they should make an epic lvl 15-24 set for leather mail cloth WHOOOO!!!

評論來自 BobTheGreat

this might get downgraded but the +5 arcane resist is pretty useless i think

評論來自 125904

not if your going to be going to ghostlands Burning Crusade place, alot of the mobs (besides dead scar mobs) use arcane.

and mages PvP

評論來自 143126

Great twink set. My level 19 rogue has it along with Serpent Shoulders from Wailing Caverns (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=5404). The chest is the only piece that binds on pickup, so you can buy the rest from others.

評論來自 tehninja

u need the rogue only (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=7997) to complete the set, cuz it looks cool, and shows that u went to deadmines and didnt just buy the set like a noob

評論來自 goblinego

They really should update this set or all has only chest.

P.S.I think this is cooler than Embrace of the viper.

評論來自 194332

If your wasting your time trying to get this set to simply look "cool" dont bother..Juss buy a savory deviate delight

評論來自 227308

This set barely gives any good agility compared the the Embrace of the Viper set. Not very good, but looks a lot better.

評論來自 246050

For those of you who are comparing the Embrace of the Viper set with the Defias Leather set, at the time of this writing...

Defias Leather Set (complete)

314 Armor
+10 Strength
+9 Agility
+14 Stamina
+28 Attack Power
+5 Arcane Resist
+2 Expertise

Embrace of the Viper (complete)

333 Armor
+18 Strength
+26 Agility
+24 Stamina
+7 Nature Spell Power
+4 Expertise
+6 Spell Power
+10 Intellect

Those are the base stats without the combined effects. Since the combined effects will vary depending on your class (and talents in some cases) I leave it to you to do the math and decide which is best for your character.

評論來自 goblinego

Men In Black,just that if your troll,then its

Blues in black

評論來自 319216

can somoen tell me what the realmlist is to wow real world of warcraft?

評論來自 Pomodorosan

Here are the maths!

Embrace of the Viper (with set bonuses):

+17 Agility
+10 Stamina
+8 Strength
+19 Armor
+2 Expertise
+10 Intellect
+6 Spell Power
+7 Nature Spell Power

Defias Leather (with set bonuses):

+28 Attack Power
+5 Arcane Resistance

The 17 Agility and 8 Strength totally make up for the 28 Attack Power of the Defias Leather.

評論來自 386847

I don't know if any1 has commented on this yet but:
Well i was going to get the chest piece on my 19 twink i remember you can lvl by accident there for ruinning you twinkness and really making you angry after you have spent 100s of Gold on enchants/armor *coughs*. So i suggest Getting a lvl80s help. Just get him/her to clear the instance until you get to VanCleef (remember on the way back to get the patrols!) Then run up and let Vancleef kill you. Then get your lvl 80 friend to kill VanCleef. *note DON'T rez till all the Blackguards are killed!*.Loot him and see if you got the drop! this can work with players that are 100-200xp shy of lvling. Just remember A little hope goes along way!

~works best if the Lvl 80 can rez
~ when running to get your lvl 19 friend its better to get another lvl80 clear the part before the instance first. Also don't leave the instance or it will reset

評論來自 CrittinRogue

i can use Skeenagirl's method to get myself 2 Cruel Barbs, but im not sure if it will drop. i got ran more than 30 times, and no Cruel Barb,

評論來自 429943

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/compare=10399:10403:10402:10401:10400:5193:10405:7997:2057:1925
Ultimatedefias

評論來自 Knewl

As a newbie loving to run Deadmines, I've decided to affiliate the set drops:
(decent for Hunters, Rogues, Feral Druids or melee Shamans)

Blue Chest - Edwin Vancleef (Final boss)
Blue Waist - Captain Greenskin (sub boss on the boat)
Green Legs - Defias Melee + Defias Ranger (Dungeon Mobs)
Green Gloves - Defias Melee + Defias Ranger (Dungeon Mobs)
Green Boots - Defias Strip Miner (Dungeon Mob)

評論來自 Thottbot

The pants, gloves, and boots are item level 18, which means they are as good as a level 18 character would have on average. They only require your character to be level 13 to actually wear however. The stat box will give you both levels.

Crushridge/Alliance
Kriegger: lvl 22 Human Warrior
Suchra: lvl 14 Gnome Mage

評論來自 Thottbot

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8218/wowscrnshot0728050242540rr.jpg

I hope the link works. If it doesnt than just copy/paste. It didn't take me long to get the set, about 20 VC runs total. And for all of the people who think its a crapy set, its only for low level so quit your $%^&*ing.

評論來自 Thottbot

With my Lv 32 Warrior on Al'Akir ( before I deleted her and started on Defias Brotherhood ) could easily solo Rhak'Zor.

It's not hard to kill him nor patrols. Just make sure you have some good healing potions and you'll make it.

I could even solo Mr. Smite easily.
However, this is tricky. This involves you dying :P
Solo Van Cleef as Lv. 30-32 Warrior:

1. Get a GREAT 2h Weapon ( eg. Archanic Defender ).
2. "Buff" yourself withwhatever you might have. Or skip to point 3:
3. Charge in, as soon as your in "None shall harm the brotherhood!", activate Retaliation and keep pumping all your attacks on Van Cleef, such as Heroic Strike.. No, only use Heroic Strike and Rend =P All bodyguards that hits you will make you retaliate on Cleef and his hits, obviously makes you retaliate back on him. When getting pounded and such, if you don't get enough rage ( unlikely ) use Bloodrage.
4. Van Cleef dies, QUICKLY loot his dead body and drink a potion IF you already havn't. Now, either stand and fight and hope you win, or flee, or die. Either way, Cleef is dead.

--------------------------------------

How to get to Westfall / Deadmines as Horde:
1. Zeppelin to Grom'Gol base camp
2. Swim west out next to, but not to close to Vile Reef.
3. Swim North to the Mountains and adjust your way to Westfall.. Without Drowning from airless or Fatigue.. Or death because you thought that elite spawn of Hakkar shark was so cute :P

評論來自 Thottbot

Which would this set be better fir, a feral druid (or a druid in general) or a rogue? Im thinking rogue, especailly since cruel barb has +10 attack too...

評論來自 Thottbot

Get a nice lvl 60 (guildie) to help you through the DM a few times. with a little luck it will be enough to get you the whole defias leather set. (One of) the best leather set(s) for you twinks out there :)

評論來自 Thottbot

listen to this man for he is the best hunter twink you will ever see :P

not becuase of gear*

becuase of skill

評論來自 Thottbot

theres a quest in westfall where oyu hav do kill VC or something and you get a chest peice with same stats and armor as the defias chest armor but if you want the stat bonus then go with this. If you plan on twinking you rogue go with this set and if you can the fang leggings from WC aswell as assassins blade and/or shadowfang with some good enchants like 15+ agi or lifestealing.

評論來自 Thottbot

1st u dont want legs of fang for twink cuz u cant get clefthide armor kit on them cuz there BoE
This set isnt terrible if ur not twinking and are a regular rouge but the key item you want here is the chest all that other stuff just makes you look cool in all black :p

評論來自 Thottbot

this is very simple to get for a lowbie if u have a 40 up. just get the 4 BoE drops and buy a few runs until chestpiece comes. the easist way for a 50 up hunter to do VC is get by the mine cart at the very beggining,use eyes of the beast get your pet to aggro every thing up to the fat ogre with hammer and put him on stay at the gate, get out of eyes of the beast and your pet will be dismissed so call him back and he'll be at for health then put your explosive trap down right away put pet defensive once the people come runing and hit trap then use FD and let pet draw aggro use volley and start fighting when next trap is ready throw it down. repeat this in all rooms except for smelting room unless your 60+. very easy =) -Hantu orc hunter-Gurubashi

評論來自 Thottbot

so what if alliance get full defais they loose in bgs anyway

評論來自 Thottbot

If u want a twink but dont got the cash, this is the set.

red defias mask.

scouts medalion.

Serpent's shoulder.

Cape of the brotherhood.

Blackened defias armor.

random green bracers. +7stamina or more.

Gloves of the fang. +5stamina, agility or more.

Belt of the fang.

Leggings of the fang.

Footpads of the fang. BTW! These are BETTER then feet of the lynx!

Seal of sylvanas and legionnaire's Band

and weps. horde, Wingblade and cruel barb for crits, and Wingblade and scout's blade.

I got 1041 in hp. good enough. 110 agility and 55 strenght

my highest crit is 215. Crit chance 37%.

Good and cheap twink. gl hf ^^ // Twinkboss.

評論來自 Thottbot

Is there any other leather armor sets coming up?

評論來自 Thottbot

Wow you guys ar idots theses things arent great but the belt is amaxzing i have the haunting blade a rare drop on my 19 hunter a rare drop in SFK it does +28 power wich is amazing you should go with defias pantolons and whatever crap you wanna put on your guy 2 really good weps are smites reaversx2 which is what i used

評論來自 Thottbot

Can any1 help me run Deadmines a lot to try to get the chest armor
relm:Antondias
Horde
Name: Buron
just PST to me when I'm on so just add me to ur friends list if u want to help me. Thx

The only way I'm going to get through DM and not lvl is to stay out side the instance while u kill half of the instance then I catch up for the end for me to get to Van C. And to get the armor. Thx

評論來自 Thottbot

To be honest (from a rouge's perspective) this set isn't that great. I'm a sub rouge on Haomarush and there are plenty better agility boosting items on AH. And if you're lucky and have a high level LW friends then theres definatly better items.

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