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Comment by WildW

A PvP talent which is usefull enough, allthough not the best. Great for duels and such.

Comment by Enyeez

to clarify, this can also proc when health is reduced from 28-25% or lower.

allegedly, this is also affected by +healing, though I have been unable to clarify, some sources claim it does, I have not yet seen anywhere claiming otherwise.

Comment by 35616

"This talent is NOT affected by +healing, but will get the +10% bonus from the Purification talent."
http://www.wowwiki.com/Nature%27s_Guardian
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=16213

I use to question the usefulness of this as regaining 10% never struck me as a crucial amount. However, when grinding lower level mobs I realised that if, say, you're at 20% and it procs, leaving you still under 30%, there is still a chance it will proc again. So if you're fighting the right mobs, you could just hover around 30% relying solely on this to heal yourself, saving bandages and freeing up mana for other things. 50% makes this reliable and feasible. You'll just have to get comfortable at being below half bar health during grind sessions.

Combine this ability with your self-heals, it may take a lot to kill you as it grants you that extra second or two to heal while not hitting 0 health. It makes a so-so crutch when your Earth Shield is depleted as well, depending on the situation.

Comment by Rawko

Confirmed: I have 7530 Health with 5/5 Purification talent. 10% of my health is 753 and the additional 10% healing bonus from purification grants another 75 to that making it heal for 828, which it does. I'd also like to mention that it CAN have a critical effect.

Comment by Grizlor

Amazing talent. Should not be skipped even in a PVE healing build. It has saved me more times than I can count. Just tonight I got hit by Karathess's Cataclysm Bolt while not quite full HP, and it gave me just enough health to survive a follow up volley from Caribdis.

Comment by Loudnoxious

Anyone know by how much (if it's a static number or percentage) this reduces your threat by?

I've been slapped in the face by mobs while healing undergeared people in various instances and not lost aggro on them after this procced...I can only assume it's not much of a reduction...but I'd like to have some idea.

Comment by 128602

This Talent is the most useful Talent as a PVP resto shaman. Not only with the Good gear can you pump out some Nature DPS you can heal your self as well. Let me get to the point here.
When i hit 70 on my shaman I went resto and put points into this talent then went and pvp i was dreadfully scared of MS warriors till this happened ok:
I'm fighting A Ms warrior he has me down to 60 % health he then MS crits me and I'm down to about 15% health ( at this point i was mad at myself for putting 5 points in this talent) but then something happen he Executed me and lost all his rage and i went up to about 20% health then MS wore off and guess what healed my self to full then owned that warrior!
If you gonna pvp on your Resto shaman Get this talent it is worth it
it has saved my butt many times
regards your friendly shaman Earthstorm From Area 52`

Comment by 104009

This has saved me many times, we were doing trash in Kara and I healed a tank without knowing he just pulled. The trash mob came after me owned me blow 30% life and then Nature's Guardian popped and then the reduced threat saved my ass. DO NOT SKIP THIS FREAKEN TALENT!

Comment by snags

How does this go when you have yourself decked out in resil gear? Is this talent likely to save your ass on many, many occassions or is it a rare times that this comes in handy? I just got my shaman to 70 and have been enjoying pvping as resto, however <30% hp for me is only like 2k health, so most of the time I just get 1shot before this even has a chance of procing. But I have chased a shaman around for what seemed like 5-6 minutes with 3 other people in AV one time, we just could. not. kill. him. :(

Comment by 56649

This spell is GODSEND, especially in a PVP realm.

You virtually cannot die if you get ganked by any class. I've got moderate gear, some cloth (which makes me softer), and have easily survived an enhancement shaman (while all my gear was red except weapon and shield), death knight, fire mage and rogue.

I actually killed the enhancement shammy by just healing myself until his wolves are gone.

It will make your grief go away in world questing, all forms of PVP, and to some extent in PVE.

I've respecced out of this for pure PVE. I must say while it's useful to have the 5 points spent in other talents, it brings nowhere CLOSE to the amount of joy you derive from this talent in PVP and PVE (when &*!@'s hitting you, which happens in a lot in WotLK heroics due to adds spawning all over the place and hitting the first thing it sees - usually me).

It's a matter of preference, but I'm sure this would be far less worth the points if you're purely raiding, and with a group that isn't gonna let you just get hit relentlessly.

Comment by 299183

so does any 1 understand the new nature's guardian ?
Nature's Guardian: Redesigned. Now has a fixed 100% proc rate, has a 30 second internal cooldown, and increases the shaman's maximum health by 3/6/9/12/15% for 10 seconds.

does it still heals ? for x% or incr. max health only ? also there isnt any word on when an attack takes u below 30% so does tht mean first hit u get incr max hp or wht

last line sounds cool :P

sorry my english is bad.

Comment by grassynole

The change from the "chance" quote is alot better making it a factual and more reliable talent to grab. This WILL increase ur health and the only time it wont is if a dk or somin frost strikes u from 30% to 0.

Also helps us scale bettter from stamina, i recently relised after grabbing hit rating ring i could remove some 8hit +stam gems as i was 4.98% hit i wanna sit atleast 4% and kinda minimise any excess so i think ill b throwin in some Solid stormjewels in 1-2 of the sockets next patch.

Comment by 463824

Just think of this talent like a warrior's Last Stand or Druid's Survival Instincts abilities. Both of those will give you a sudden increase to health, giving you a little extra time to live for that extra heal needed to get you back to a more stable amount of health. This talent just makes it instantly activated when you're getting your face smashed and you don't even have to worry about hitting the button.

I personally found this a must have in PvP and skipped it in PvE. The threat reduction is nice if you arent quick enough for a wind shear. However, remember that if you get reduced because of some off ability or AOE this isnt going to help. For PvE this is only useful if your tank and dps suck and you have that one mob wailing on you while they remain oblivious to their healer being cut up.

There's better PvE talents than this, and Wind shear should be your primary threat reducer in PvE.

Comment by 211587

Just tested this on a mob in crystalsong forest after seeing it proc curiously often in a Strand of the Ancients match.

The 30 second timer goes from the second you gain the buff rather than the second the buff fades from you. To me, this really solidified the talent for use in resto pvp builds as it shares a very similar cooldown with Stoneclaw Totem and thus will be up about as often as I (decently geared restoration shaman) can manage to keep myself alive for on a very small amount of mana.

An extra boost to health every 20 seconds would be a serious deterrent to a team who is short on CDs, as this health boost is automatic and not reactive like most others. Be aware of when it procs, when it's active, and this can be a very useful talent for an otherwise survival-starved healer.

Comment by 193436

Few points about this talent PvE-wise:

- Also procs from spells, aoe spells and damaging auras, not only 'attacks' as stated in it's tooltip
- Since it boosts health instead of stamina, it stacks with commanding shout/blood pact and even with ICC health buff

With 25% ICC buff, I have a health of about 35k when fully buffed. This talent increases it to 42k, which essentially means 7k heal. A very useful talent for that extra bit of survival.

Comment by Thottbot

Worth spending 5 points into this?
I mean of course the effect is awesome. But it will not always proc, one. And two, in PvP if you're getting yourself destroyed by someone, 10% of your health will not help that much. I'd say this is worth getting just for PvE for the case when you have a bad tank.

Comment by Thottbot

This is an incredibly powerful talent. The problem is the description. It should read:

Whenever a damaging attack is taken while you are under or reduces you below 30%, you have a 50% chance to regain 10% of your total health and reduce your threat level on that target.

So let's have an example. Your HP is at 35%, and there is a rogue mauling on you that takes away 10% HP per hit. First hit, you're taken down to 25%. NG could proc but it's just your luck that it doesn't. Second hit, you're taken to 15%, but this time it does proc, sending you right back up to 25%, perhaps giving you some extra moments to get off a heal.

50% may not sound like much, but because it has multiple chances to proc, the effective procrate is much higher, practically guaranteed if your opponents aren't doing massive damage. In two hits the chance for one proc is already 75%.

With this skill you can go AFK while a mob is attacking you and come back half an hour later to see your shaman still alive (see screenshot above.)

Furthermore, it is affected by Purification (+10% heal effectiveness,) though not by +healing. So it can become an 11% HP heal. 10/11% might not sound like much at low levels... it's at most two or three hundred HP. But at maxlevel where you can reach 10k pretty easily, that's a 1k+ heal. Combine that with the fact that it's practically guaranteed to proc.

The 5 second cooldown is there to keep this talent from being ridiculously overpowered, but in PVP what usually happens is I can get off a heal or two thanks to NG, and it takes them more than 5 seconds to get me below 30% again, by which time not only will NG proc again, but I'll probably heal myself to full right after.

Combine this talent with Healing Focus and Earth Shield, and you're your own raid boss.

Comment by Thottbot

"Whenever a damaging attack is taken while you are under or reduces you below 30%, you have a 50% chance to regain 10% of your total health and reduce your threat level on that target."

If that is really what happens, then I seriously think that every resto shammy should max this skill..

I had a resto shaman but now I'm just enhancement for lvling faster, but I'm sure I'll respec to resto again at lvl60+, I didn't put in it in the past because I thought that you only have 1 chance get it proced, and that chance when you get the hit that lowers your health below 30%.. but after what you said and probly tested, I'm sure it's worth 5 points.

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Nature's Guardian

Nature's Guardian

Talent

Whenever a damaging attack brings you below 30% health, your maximum health is increased by 15% for 10 sec and your threat level towards the attacker is reduced. 30 second cooldown.

(30s cooldown)

Spell Details

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n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Aura proc chance

100%

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Proc Trigger Spell
Value: 15
PVP Multiplier: 1

	Spell #18350

Affected Spells:

	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Chain Heal	Lesser Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Chain Heal	Chain Heal
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	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Chain Heal	Chain Heal
	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Chain Heal	Chain Heal

Effect #2

Dummy
Value: 31
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script
Affected Spells:

	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Chain Heal	Lesser Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Chain Heal	Chain Heal
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	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Chain Heal	Chain Heal
	Healing Wave	Healing Wave	Lesser Healing Wave
	Lesser Healing Wave	Chain Heal	Chain Heal

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Aura is hidden
Cast time is hidden
Can Proc From Procs
Allow Proc While Sitting

Nature's Guardian

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