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Comment by Mintry

I wonder if this can be use to reflect the spells by Krosh Firehand in Gruul's Lair?

Comment by malmern

Does this apply to AoE spells as well? (Like other mages flamestrike, or warlocks hellfire)

Comment by Limetree

This is so bad compared to https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=28332. And Frost Warding is a tier 1 talent. Fire spells do tend to do more damage than Ice but still this talent is definately lacking.

Comment by geoffster

This is changed in 2.4 from Improved Fire Ward. And to answer the above question on AoE spells, it resists ALL fire spells(DD, AoE, Wands, DoT, etc)

Comment by 49614

Hey guys,

What's the meaning of "affect" in the phrase "100% chance to affect ranged and spell attacks"?

As I understood it, it means that now ranged and spell attacks from opponents also receive back fire damage. Am I on the right track?

Cheers

Comment by malmern

I think it means that it's got a 100% chance to have a 20% chance to reflect on all kinds of fire damage (expect melee based fire damage)
meaning that all kinds of firespells and ranged fire damage (wands etc.) will be able to get reflected,
no mather what the spell is (AoE spells and such)
it didn't have a chance to reflect AoE spells or ranged fire damage before.

Comment by 33684

The addition to this talent is bigger than you think. If you spec fire for a Dragon's Breath/Scorch PvP build and pick up 5/5 impact along with this talent, it means for every single attack made against you, melee but also hunters and casters, they have a 10% of getting stunned for a couple of seconds.

Comment by 102859

Anybody tested if the Molten Armor part works on PvE bosses? for example, would it reflect 75 damage for each Spirit Bolt hitting you in Malacrass encounter?

Edit: Works for all direct damage sources, and certain dot ticks, such as brutallus' burn. Good extra dmg for 2 talent points that otherwise would have gone to imp. fireblast, a waste in pve.

Comment by 64407

Actually, that talent may be very usefull. In EoS, I (SP) and a fire mage were both at 1% or such. I used Shadow word: death on the mage and I killed him. But I got a crit from Molten Armor and died to :D. Worth using Molten Armor in BGs from time to time, Molten Armor being the offensive sister of Ice Armor.
P.S. I know I should have dispelled the mage's buffs first but I knew it was a matter of seconds till I would have died so I didn't want to go alone in hell :D.

Comment by 227375

i have a problem.. i dont understand somthing .. on this talent ,make 75 damage when hit .. that is at molten armor k ? and at molten shields say.. gives you 100% chance to affect and ranged, spell atack . when say 75 dmg om hit meens only mele hit .. and if i have this talent rank 2 when i hit by ranged and speel caster who make this give 75 dmg too ?

Comment by 116979

This is soo good vs Death Knights with their pesky Chains of Ice-spam.

Comment by 243544

ok i need to know if the damage from molten armor effects sapphirons aoe if not then this is worthless to me if it does then wooo extra dps during that fight i want to know though if anyone has any information on this plz let me know

Comment by 321955

When i was fire briefly i has this and it had all sorts of uses

best moment was when a dranie mage used Pom pyro on me and i reflect it in his face and kill him lol.

Comment by 321955

Why was my comment Purged?

reflecting pyroblasts from other mages is funny as hell especialy when it one shots them

also reflecting Icy toutch and Icy chains from dk's are good as then d'g is the only way they can get to you and you can just blink away from that one

Comment by 285102

"In addition, your Molten Armor has a 100% chance to affect ranged and spell attacks."

Does that mean it will cause normal Molten Armor damage when hit with an AoE since it counts as a spell attack? I'm thinking of speccing into this for fights with lots of AoE damage like Hodir and XT. Also would be nice against the Iron Council for that damn chain lightning.

Can anyone say if it works?

Comment by 384987

I wonder if it procs off Chaos Bolt. It states the ability cannot be resisted and the damage cannot be absorbed, it doesn't mention being reflected.

- edit -

Fixed a typo.

Comment by 111153

Also The Reflected Spell Will Not Show The Damage On Your Screen But It will Do Damage
I.E. Since Whenever I Reflect Chaos Bolt/Lava Burst No Damage shows But It Shows Them Losing Health.

Comment by samarium

So I got together with a Warlock friend and did some brief testing. I took a spec that included both Molten Shields and Frost Warding and had her cast Searing Pain on me until I had a (semi-) reasonable sample and got the following results:

Sample size: 111 casts of Searing Pain

Results:

Absorb (no proc): 53 strikes (47.7%)
Negate (Frost Warding proc): 25 strikes (22.5%)
Reflect (Molten Shields proc): 33 strikes (29.7%)

Combined, FW and MS produced a proc rate of 52.2%, which is comfortably closer to 60% than it is to 30%, so I feel that I can say that the two talents can indeed proc separately, providing a 60% chance to take no damage from a given spell school for mages that have chosen an Elemental spec.

I willingly concede that a sample size of 111 is smaller than I would've liked, but I feel it is sufficient given that the combined proc rates of both talents were so clearly higher than 30%.

Comment by 365520

Bite it death knights.

Note: This is not me saying dk's are OP, ITs me saying chains of ice is ANNOYING!

Comment by 230590

i see the comments about DKs, and definitely useful against spells that actually dont do damage, could repeatly reflect spells/attacks since your frost ward would stay up nearly the whole time

against other mages, shamans and destro locks, the reflected damage is nearly fatal, especially with shamans... though at the same time reducing your incoming damage quite a lot

and this does stack with frost warding, however i have never seen both proc at the same time... only absorb for mana, or reflect, though its about 60% chance of either happening (35% reflect if you also have the minor glyphs), so its pretty rare that it will go away simply from damage over the 30sec duration with both talents

Comment by Kanariya

This talent also causes Molten Armor to proc off of some hostile hidden auras cast by bosses and other npcs that aren't considered attacks, as well as general aoe damage (such as the insect tunnel before Putricide).

While this is technically a passive dps increase, the overall damage is pretty low, and procs are dependent on the boss' aoe damage/mechanics. It also technically has the chance of pulling certain mobs with certain hidden hostile auras that are not in combat with your group.

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Molten Shields

Molten Shields

Talent

Causes your Fire Ward and Frost Ward spells to have a 30% chance to reflect the warded spell while active. In addition, your Molten Armor has a 100% chance to affect ranged and spell attacks.

Spell Details

Duration

n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Effect

Apply Aura: Modifies Effect #2's Value (12)
Value: 30
PVP Multiplier: 1
Affected Spells:

Fire Ward	Frost Ward	Fire Ward
Fire Ward	Frost Ward	Frost Ward
Frost Ward	Fire Ward	Fire Ward
Fire Ward	Frost Ward	Frost Ward
Fire Ward	Frost Ward

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Is Ability
Passive spell
Aura is hidden
Do Not Sheath

Molten Shields

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