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Providing this stays in the talent tree I think it's going to be excellent.

Based on my stats at 70 this would work out as approximately 76 Strength, so 152 AP. Considerably more than the AP increase given to Battle Shout by taking Commanding Presence. Given that Battle Shout and Blessing of Might won't stack (and that BoM is by far the better buff) I'd suggest skipping Commanding Presence, sticking 3 points in this and another 2 in something useful (Imp Demo Shout or Imp Cleave).

Комментарий от 210053

This will be an absolutely awesome tanking talent, with a moderate 15000 armor, that is 112 strength, or 225 attack power, not to mention the increase in block value. very worthwhile 3 point talent for tanks

Комментарий от 202830

This is incredibly good for a tier 1 talent. For a dps warrior with 12k armor(reasonable for 80, I think), this'll reward 90 strength.

I'll be genuinly surprised if this goes live in it's current state.

Комментарий от 216216

As it stands for my lv 70 tank right now with a lil more than 18k armor unbuffed this would give me an additional 135 strength. If it stays anywhere close to where it is on the beta I will defiantly throw the points into fury for my tank build.

Комментарий от 176779

what i like about this is what it will do for fury pvp (being a fury warrior) u can throw on a shield, get more str from the armor, be able to block and still be hitting ppl with a 2hander, and with the MS effect from furrious attacks talent should be very pleasing : )

Комментарий от Korasoff

Changed to 3 AP per 180 Armor... Which means it doesn't increase Block Value anymore. : /

It still helps with threat generation by increasing white damage and the damage of Revenge, Shockwave, etc.

Комментарий от topsub

So if i did my math right this is 1 ap for ever 60 armor you have?

So my tank has about 15792/60 = 263.2 ap bouns

Would these 3 talent points be better spent somewhere else or is this still worth the points?

Комментарий от Mareric

Just to help crunch some numbers for a lvl 70 prot warrior, thought it would help to see some numbers.

Estimating 16k armor. That's a boost of 266 AP.

+200 damage per mob for Shockwave
+133 damage for Heroic Throw
+55 damage for Revenge
+31 damage per mob for Thunder Clap (assuming 12% coeff)

That's before any of the skills are improved via talents. They will go up a lot for improved Revenge and Thunderclap.

Not to mention your white damage (and thus Heroic Strike).

Looks like this will help in rage starved scenarios where your gear keeps getting better. If you're tanking end game raids, it would probably be fine to put the points elsewhere. But I'm taking them. First job of a tank is to hold aggro, and this should help a ton.

Комментарий от Shoat

You can get Impale now!

Okay, so you could get it before, but few tanks did. Now because of the copious amounts of crit we get from Prot talents (TC, Cleave, HS, Devastate and Shield Slam all get +15% to crit) Impale is a lot more attractive, doubly so since we only have to sink 12 points in Arms. This leaves you with the freedom to add more crit via Cruelty and make a 12/5/54 build along these lines to tie all those crit-related talents together.

I agree with your point, I'd change the spec like this:

1. Armored to the Teeth is BY FAR more useful than 3% crit, taking out 3 Points from Cruelty to this is worth it. (Hundreds of Attackpower > 3% Crit)

2. Not taking your free 5% dodge up?
Seriously, I'd personally throw off Puncture and improved Disciplines for it.
Devastate is already 12 Rage thanks to Focused Rage, and that one Minute SW cooldown-reduction won't make or break our survivability as much as static avoidance does. It will still rarely be used more than once every fight.

3. I like Anger Management, it's a lot of rage on the long run. That's where I sacrifice another 1% crit.
Starting into those talky encounters (Kaelthas) with 100 Rage is great, also there are a lot of bosses where you can't fight for some time, there it also helps reentering with 100 Rage. It's just an overall useful talent and is underestimated a lot.
And I didn't even mention the passive rage boost it delivers during combat.

Overall I agree with the fact that the new Prot Tree really supports Crit. It's correct that gathering Crit is nice, but there are still a few talents that are not worth to be dropped just for getting those few % Crit. In fact we already have plenty of crit on our special attacks thanks to the new Talents.

So, I'd prefer this 13/4/54 Build, where I modified the 3 points as stated above.

Hmmm... Well this means that Stoneform (Dwarven racial) is now an offensive ability! More armor, more boom!

Dwarven Warriors rejoice!

Armored to the Teeth and the DK version (Bladed Armor) only "tick" every 30 Seconds.

Every 30 Seconds these Talents check your Armor and change the Attackpower-boost of this talent accordingly.
So, for the Dwarven Racial Stoneform to be offensive, you'd need either luck or a working timer telling you when the next Armored to the Teeth "Tick" occurs.
On the other Hand, if you manage to get your stoneform right on the "Tick", the AttackPower Boost will stay for the full 30 seconds! :)

(Yes, I really like the Link-feature, quicklinking Abilitys, Talents etc. is really handy and makes it easier for people to understand what I'm talking about by just hovering about the yellow text. You posters should use it more! ;) )

Комментарий от 202718

Is this talent any good for non-tank specs? Just a bit curious, it's not that important; there's plenty of other good talents in the Fury tree.

Комментарий от Shoat

Is this talent any good for non-tank specs? Just a bit curious, it's not that important; there's plenty of other good talents in the Fury tree.

Of course it is.
Any DPS/PvP Spec without this is pretty crap, since for the "normal level 70 dps warrior" (who has about 10k armor) this is 167 Attack Power, and for 3 Talent Points in the first Tier of the Fury Tree you can't complain about that.
This Talent is worth more then the old Rampage was.

A general Rule for this Talent:
No matter if you're Arms, Fury or Prot, no matter if you want to DPS, Tank or do PvP, this 3 Points are more then just "worth it".

Комментарий от Thoragar

Is it just me, or is this talent currently bugged? I see no increase in attack power on my character sheet, yet every warrior is still taking this talent (for good reasons if it isn't bugged, of course.)

Комментарий от Soulkeeper

Why did they change the +str to +ap, the latest build i had seen gave +3 str for every 400 arm, i know the overall ap you get is slightly bigger but the +str made it much more efficient for prot warrs especially with the change to block value from strength.

Комментарий от Wildhorn

3. I like Anger Management, it's a lot of rage on the long run. That's where I sacrifice another 1% crit.
Starting into those talky encounters (Kaelthas) with 100 Rage is great, also there are a lot of bosses where you can't fight for some time, there it also helps reentering with 100 Rage. It's just an overall useful talent and is underestimated a lot.
And I didn't even mention the passive rage boost it delivers during combat.

May i know wtf you are talking by "Starting fight with 100 rage" ?

Anger Management doesnt make you gain rage when you are out of combat. It just prevent you to lose it too fast. So instead to lose 3 rage per 3 sec, you lose 2 rage per 3 sec.

Комментарий от Whiterock

Gem-wise, 20Attack Power = 10Crit Rating

Level 70, pre-3.2patch
3 points of Cruelty worth 66,24Crit Rating.
66,24Crit Rating = 132,48Attack Power
3 Points in this talent need 7948,8Armor to achive 132,48Attack Power to make this talent equal Cruelty. You 100% will have much more Armor => More Attack Power. ^^
70lvl Green Plate+Back = 6414Armor | 1534,8Armor should be recived from Agility+Improving Items+OtherSource
Level 80, pre-3.2patch
3 points of Cruelty worth 137,73Crit Rating.
137,73Crit Rating = 275,46Attack Power
3 Points in this talent need 16527,6Armor to achive 275,46Attack Power to make this talent equal Cruelty.
80lvl Green Plate+Back = 9602Armor | 6925,6Armor should be recived from Agility+Improving Items+OtherSource
Level 80, post-3.2patch
3 points of Cruelty worth 137,73Crit Rating.
3 Points in this talent need 9916,56Armor to achive 275,46Attack Power to make this talent equal
Cruelty. You 100% will have much more Armor => More Attack Power.
80lvl Green Plate+Back = 9602Armor | 314,56Armor should be recived from Agility+Improving Items+OtherSource.

Комментарий от 261184

In other words; increases your attack power by 1,666... % (repeatedly) of your total armor.

For example:

10 000 armor would give you an additional 10000 * 0,0167 = 167 AP.
15 000 armor ~ 15000 * 0,0167 = 251 AP
20 000 armor ~ 20000 * 0,0167 = 334 AP

However, you must take in consideration, as said before, that it only gives your AP for every 30 armor, so if /30 has decimals, you must calculate with the closest amount of armor, that is lower than your armor, when divided by 30, doesn't give you decimals.

For example, if you have 10017 armor..

10 017 / 30 = 333.9 (which would be rounded to 334 AP iirc)
The "closest amount of armor, that is lower than your armor, when divided by 30, doesn't give you decimals" is 9990 and that would give:
9990 / 30 = 333 AP and NOT 334 AP

Not a big deal perhaps, but hey, it's something!

Комментарий от AlphaQ

In Patch 3.2 this is being changed to 1/2/3 AP per 108 armor. Significant buff.

Комментарий от 111622

3.2 - Armored to the Teeth: This talent now provides 1/2/3 attack power per 108 armor, up from per 180 armor.

@ 13,000 Armor...

Currently, 3 Attack power per 180 Armor = 217
Next Patch, 3 Attack Power per 108 Armor = 361

Комментарий от thatonegeek

noob alert.

i drop my timecard in the rogue slot, and i realize that warrior priorities are a little different. but i admit that i fail. i fail to see how this talent can make a huge impact on endgame dps.

with 3/3 Armored to the Teeth, you get 1 AP per 36 armor. so, to use easy numbers, 36k armor translates to 1k AP or 71 dps. but by the time you get that kind of armor value (assuming a dps spec) you should be pushing 5k dps, no? at which point 71 dps is at most 1.5% of your overall dps. better than nothing, but certainly not a working I.W.I.N. button.

and i know Whiterock's post is a little outdated, but the point should be made that translating Crit Rating to AP depends heavily on your current dps. for 3 points in this talent to be worth more than 3% crit (in the current patch), you'd have to be in a bad situation... for example, you have more than 30k armor (833 AP, 59 dps from this talent) while also dealing less than 2k overall dps. maybe some tanks are in that position, and i'm not here to throw stones. my pansy-picking rogue lives in a glass house.

of course it's better to have the extra AP than not have it. but we're not still serious about taking points in Armored to the Teeth instead of Cruelty, right?

edit: Janitaur's point is taken.

Комментарий от 534473

With 20k armor (which is reasonable for a well geared ICC warrior fully raid buffed) stoneform will give you a huge 55 AP. That's not very much obviously, but it's actually the only warrior DPS racial ability that alliance get access too. Blurg.

The main point of this talent might not be just to increase tank TPS but actually to dissaude warriors from using leather and mail gear. The armor loss often accounts for quite a big difference in AP gained. The difference between the frost emblem leather chest and the frost emblem plate chest is over 2000 armor - which equates to nearly 60 AP. It adds up in the long run.

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