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Seems like such an odd thing to add to tailoring, there is very little use for a melee character to take up tailoring aside from maybe this enchant now which likely won't be worth it.

The only use I can see for it is for someone that "really" wants to min/max their character and power level up tailoring just to enchant their cloak and then drop the profession.

Комментарий от Colamisu

I've been a miner/tailor on my warrior since I made him (February 06). Originally he was intended to be an alt on a new server just to mine for cash and make bags for my main there. Eventually the other character got left in the dust though, so this new embroidery thing almost justifies keeping a profession that doesn't specifically benefit my class for over 2 years.

And there's no way you can say having big bags isn't good.

Комментарий от 192912

All professions should give the crafter some unique 'self only' perks. These embroideries are part of that ethos and I wholely agree. Being a tailor as a warrior is your perogative, and should never exclude you from the profession's perks. This being said however, theres still no decent embroidery for hunters.

Комментарий от 192912

Can anyone confirm if the embroideries stack with or replace normal cloak enchantments?

Комментарий от 18814

Any idea what the proc rate and/or internal cooldown is for this effect? Considering there are no other dps cloak improvements (kits, enchants, etc) anywhere for DKs, it might actually be worth it...

Комментарий от 37999

This recipe was obviously created for the BONK CRITS caster build. Good to see Blizzard's finally turning its attention to the most powerful DPS build in the game.

Комментарий от 176018

i assume "melee" specifically means melee? has anyone tested to be sure? i ask 'cause my hunter alt is a tailor (wanted another set of cloth cooldowns : P)

i see two different caster options for cloak embroidery as well as a melee one but not one that looks like it'd work for ranged physical dps :(

Комментарий от skribs

Anyone know the proc chance of this, or the PPM?
Does it proc off instant strikes?

Комментарий от Draegnar

For people who are looking for the proc chance and and the buff , here it is.

Swordguard Embroidery - The Enchant
: Proc Trigger Spell
Proc chance: 25%
The Buff: Swordguard Embroidery

Комментарий от danleo

The wording looks like the leatherworking armour patches, such has https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=60584. This spell probably makes a non-BoP item that can only be applied on your own items, probably to prevent them from being applied on twink item (like the cobrahide leg armour).

Комментарий от 188515

So I haven't seen anyone address this issue yet. On my Hunter, I originally started out as a Tailor/Enchanter, since it seemed the two were commonly paired for the sake of easy materials for enchanting while leveling tailoring skill on green and blue patterns. Eventually, I dropped Enchanting because I didn't have the means to obtain the most profitable formulas, but I kept my Tailoring, because it was handy to make bags and gear for friends, etc.

What's the point?

This says it only procs on melee attacks. In past experience, effects added by Blizzard that are stated to apply to melee attacks do apply only to melee attacks and ignore ranged attacks, because Blizzard is often very neglectful of their Hunter community. So, I'm wondering if they've made the same mistake here, by effectively making Hunters the only class that can't make any decent use of this, or if they've simply worded the effect incorrectly and it actually procs on ranged attacks as well. Anyone who knows for sure, the feedback would be welcomed.

We can't enchant our ranged weapons, melee weapon enchants are worthless... For once, I'd like to think Blizzard isn't ignoring the fact that Hunters would like to make use of things like this, too.

Комментарий от TTYd

So the best ~~shoulder~~ cloak enchant for a rogue (and I'm guessing all melee dpsers) is a bop from tailoring? That's... wierd. Is there any valid reason for non-healers to have tailoring? And no, having tailoring so you can make bags for your little friends doesn't count (I mean seriously come on, any gatherer class will get you enough gold to buy however many bags you need for the rest of the game).
I can't think of any explanation that doesn't mean Blizz is pandering to the needs of the clueless.

I'm not bitter btw, honest :(

Edit: Ooops, cloak enchant ;)

Комментарий от 180719

Ok. After doing two ten minute attack sessions of the lvl 80 Grandmaster Training dummy I had 1ppm. If you would like I can list the times of each proc. i would assume that it has a 1 min gcd cause it proc every 1 minute on the dot, barring misses and dodges (didn't know a dummy could dodge). That was the first session of just auto attacking with no buffs except imp ret aura. I had the same results on the second session with auto attacks and crusader stike only. I was hoping to see it proc sooner but it did not. my speed was 3.35. I would to see a rogue test this out. I would assume the results will be the same. I'm gonna keep it on the cloak for a bit and see how it works out. 300 ap every 60 secs imo isn't that bad.

Комментарий от d3nyd

I have this embroidery on my 80 Blood DK and it's awesome. It DOES have a 1 min Internal Cooldown, but you can expect it to proc exactly on that 1 minute mark nearly all the time because the proc chance is 25%. 300 ap for 15 sec every minute is HUGE, and far better than any other cloak enchant out there.

Комментарий от 33064

I would just like to point out that this, if the proc rate is as high as people claim it is, it is worth more than 75 AP averaged out. For example, let's take the best case scenario, a 1m 15s fight. If it procs at the beginning and at the 1m mark, then it will have been up for 30 seconds out of 75, or an uptime of 40%, worth 120 AP. And I am an Unholy DK. This isn't taking into account using a Gargoyle during this proc, which will significantly up my Gargoyle's damage over the course of a minute. But if we just average out the proc uptime, it depends significantly on the fight, but usually it will be higher than 25%.

This just seems far and away the most potent cloak enchant in the game, and a more than competitive profession for a melee class to take, especially for Death Knights as we are not an agility based class and currently scale horribly with haste. Not to mention, flying carpet is pure win (that's the deal breaker for me =P).

Комментарий от 285160

The ICD of this enchant is actually less than the one minute posted above. I noticed it on WoWMeter that I was getting 4 procs in fights that lasted less than three minutes so I investigated.

Did 9 tests on a heroic training dummy, dual wield auto attacking. Always got the first proc within two seconds. Most of the time I was lucky enough to get it on the first hit. I'm using two 1.5 speed swords for this test.

The logs show that swordguard proced the second time an average of 50 seconds into the fight each time. I had two tests show it proc at 48/49, three tests between 51 and 53, and the rest right on 50 on the nose.

I don't know if this is a standard 45 seconds CD and I'm just having bad luck procing it the second time, or if Blizzard has gone and made something with a stranger ICD and made it 50 seconds and the times it came slightly early being a fluke? Personally I think its 45 seconds, and I have a terrible RNG since DW miss penalty is high enough and it just takes a little while to proc again. I have often times in raids seen it proc at the exact same time as the greatness deck (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=42987) which is an accepted 45 minute CD.

Either way, I can say with over 100% certainty that this is not a 1 Minute ICD as has become "accepted". If it is indeed 50 seconds, then its a passive 90 AP, if its 45 and I'm having some bad luck, that's 100 AP. Tailoring is indeed still a competitive profession for min-maxing it seems.

Комментарий от vampiric161

The rumor about there being a Monk class who can only use cloth *and is a melee DPS* that specializes in unarmed/fist weapons, staves, poles, etc could actually come in the near/distant future! This would be a perfect addition for them! (blizz would also need to put in more cloth drops that have AP / AGI / STR as there barely is any atm

I don't mean to bash the idea of a cloth wearing melee DPSer but I couldnt see that happening with all that Blizz is doing to remove gear that is only for one spec. One example would be the upcoming removal of Feral AP, making feral staves obsolete. I assume the existing ones will have their DPS and stats updated but, my point is that aside from pally healing gear, there will be no gear that is for one specific class/spec that I can think of.

I assume this was added for those melee DPS that do have tailoring, considering all the other crafting professions have similar things, for whataver reason they please to have it for.

Комментарий от 56282

This is one of the generic physical damage profession "bonuses" which gives around 64 additional attack power over the standard enchant.

Комментарий от vampiric161

shaman get an ap bonus from int, it isn't farfetched to say that a monk would get his stats from clothy stats.

This is true, but that's talented. Hunters can talent for the same thing as well. But int provides a bonus for both of those classes w/out the talent, though other than the talent int provides very little for a enhancement shammies. Also, int appears on mail gear that has agi, crit and ap for them as well. Warrior's get 3 AP for every 180 armor they have, but they aren't going to make a class around it though. A cloth wearing melee class using priest/mage/lock gear to DPS wouldn't really make a whole lot of sense and definitely seems far-fetched.

Also, I thought that Blizzard's idea behind hero classes was that they were incorporating hero classes from WC3 into WoW, and while I'm sure there's a good chance they will implement ones that aren't in WC3 (as I dont feel there are many they could implement w/out being a copy of a current class, archmage for example, or that would fit well in the game, ie firelord), it would be much easier to implement a leather wearing "monk-type" class considering that there is already leather gear catered to melee DPS.

Комментарий от Thrakin

Just for posterity's sake: In beta this was a chance on hit to grant 1000 Armor Pen.

Комментарий от 299963

To all you that got this, when it procs and you look at your characters stats do you see the +300 AP apply on your overall AP? Becouse i don't.. But i got a trinket that gives me 264AP when used and those 264 applys on my overall. Thankfull for answers :-)

EDIT:
Got it to show once now. Once of around 15 procs.. is it a bug or?

EDIT 2:
Ok so i opened a ticket for this and what i was told is that its a know issue. But only for hunters... hehe i hear that alot :-) but will be fixed in further patchnings. But when you dont see the AP apply on your overall AP as i mentioned it doesnt exist! So for now this enchant is pretty much useless for hunters since i only got it to work like 3-4 times of 30+ procs. I hope this will be helpfull. :-)

Комментарий от shav

Lets see...

"Embroiders a magical pattern into your cloak, causing your damaging melee attacks to sometimes increase your attack power by 300 for 15 sec."

Why would hunters use this over the passive agi enchant? It only procs of MELEE attacks, which is clearly stated in description.

Комментарий от Thoragar

Alchemy: Mixology which increases the effect of Flask of Endless Rage by 64 attack power, as well as doubling the duration.
Herbalism: Fire Leaf used once a minute results with an average of 66.7 attack power, unless you're a Warrior or Death Knight that caught the 30 second armor calculation at the wrong time. Then it's probably an attack power decrease.

Sadly, the use effect on Fire Leaf has been removed in the latest 3.0.8 PTR push.

Комментарий от 9818

Seems to be giving one spirit for some reason.
Still giving one spirit after 3.1

Комментарий от 160026

just throwing this out there because Im not a demo lock, but could this benefit them with metamorphosis?

Комментарий от 92546

Patch 3.1 stealth change! not in patch notes:

Embroiders a magical pattern into your cloak, causing your damaging melee and ranged attacks to sometimes increase your attack power by 300 for 15 sec.

Finally some Hunter-Tailor love!

So is this better than the +22 agility enchant?

Комментарий от 83563

Does this stack with the berserking enchant proc?

Комментарий от 363325

I have this for my hunter and it processes off ranged, but im only getting +300 AP to melee AP and not +300 AP to Ranged AP.... I reported it to wow forums as a bug, hopfully gets fixed soon..

Комментарий от xstaindx

3.1.2:
# Swordguard Embroidery: Now correctly increases ranged attack power.

Комментарий от 174234

In 3.2, it's apparently being raised to 400 ap (up from 300).

I'm unsure if that puts it within competitive range with other professions or not as currently it's substantially less of a DPS increase for most agi-benefiting classes than other professions.

Update: It seems that the changes have made this a viable competitive DPS-increasing profession compared to other crafting professions for PVE/Raiding for rogues and most likely most melee-oriented DPS classes.

Now you rogues may follow your flying carpet dreams and justify them!

Комментарий от 10128

There is no way that this even begins to compare with an engineer's parachute.

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=55002

Комментарий от cowofmoo

ive had this enchant on my enhance shaman for about a week now, and its like a 3rd berserking enchant...it stacks with all other AP buffs, including those from Pyrite Infuser and Mirror/Coren's Coaster, on top of the 2 berserking's i have on my weapons. i dropped mining for this profession and it took me about 4 or 5 days to level to 420. its a good thing to get if ur stats are all rounded out, i mean the next best DPS cape enchant is 28 haste and thats like a huge MEH when you have 360+...i personally love to hit 10k AP in a 25m raid, especially since its my highest DPS increasing stat...just food for thought

Комментарий от 248089

how does a cloak enchant that gives 400 ap (25% up time = ~100static ap) not worth 23 agi? I mean, I can see why you'd want one over the other, but it doesn't blow it out of the water at all, or do you think differently?

Комментарий от 317920

as a test on a training dummy(raid one) swordguard's buff DOES stack with berserking enchant. i screened it and trying to put in on right now

Комментарий от 111622

Meh, 400 Attack power isn't that much, but I guess if you stack it up with Berserking and Trinkets it can add up, but if you're looking into a Trade Skill for a physical attacker, you might be better off with Leatherworking's 130 AP to Wrist.

Комментарий от 534473

The benefit of this over other profession bonuses is that you can stack it with other buffs to get greater benefit from it. For example, the ICD on this allows it to proc alongside my ArP trinket and death wish, making the buff more valuable than a constant passive AP boost. However a common delusion is that stacking it with trinkets and static AP boosts or procs makes it more beneficial. It is only better if you can stack it with percentile increase procs - things such as haste, armor penetration, critical strike rating, or percentage damage increases.

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Вышивание на плаще магического узора, дающего вам некоторую вероятность повысить силу атаки на 400 на 15 sec., нанося удары в ближнем и дальнем бою.

Вышивать можно только на собственном плаще. После зачарования любой плащ становится персональным. Для использования требуется навык портняжного дела 400.

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