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I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet - does anyone know if the energy/rage/mana restoration effect happens even if the target is at full health while the rejuvenation ticks?

If it does, I'm guessing that running rank 1 rejuv on certain classes (thinking mainly of energy-based dps) will become a common tactic. Perhaps in smaller groups only, as druids in 25 man setups will still be there primarily for their rolling lifeblooms.

Edit: The above is obsolete now with the recent change to downranking/mana costs.

Комментарий от Toldry

Each rejuvenation ticks 4 times, giving it a 60% chance per rejuv to proc if you have 3 points.
Pretty useful if I'll be able to use rank 1 and still get the affect.

Комментарий от 181013

Probability:
0 proc ~ 52.2%
1 proc ~ 36.8%
2 proc ~ 9.75%
3 proc ~ 1.15%
4 proc ~ 0.05%

You're looking at about 6 energy / 3 rage / 1.2% mana gain from one full rejuv effect.

For simplicity, you could say you have a mana pool of about 10k and you cast rank 1 rejuv for 25 mana. Thats going to net you 95 mana over 12 seconds, or about 40 mp5, which is slightly less than the paladin's blessing of wisdom, which lasts 15 minutes. So casting rank 1 just to get the mana regen out of it would be a waste, just like this talent

Комментарий от mmorpgaddict

If you already use rejuvenation, then this talent is awesome. I'm looking forward to this on my druid, as rejuvenation is already a part of my healing arsenal (and why would you not use this along with lifebloom as a tree?)

Комментарий от faia

what about use rejuventaion rank 1? cost none mana and give you free mana for much more

think it will work as you can still exploit consume magic with rank one buff, but it's random take one buff(priest buff)

EDIT: they changed it now it is base mana right after this post, so not that great idea anymore^^

Комментарий от 195289

In regards to this talent and what other people have posted before me, we have to take this into account:

Quoting from this thread on beta forums from Koraa

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557248684&pageNo=1&sid=2000#17

Compare how you healed in dungeons and raids pre-Burning Crusade to today. Before you used nearly every healing spell you had, today you just use Lifebloom and maybe your other HoTs just because they stack with Lifebloom. Not only is this boring to the player, but it pigeon holes the Druid to spamming Lifebloom on the tanks.

We hope to tone down Lifebloom and bring the Druids other healing spells up to speed in this expansion. Part of this is through changes to the Druid class, changes to other healing classes and through encounter design.

Also keep in mind that you wont be using rank 1 because of the incredible scale in mana usage from downranking.

In short, you will be using max rank rejuv to heal in raids, so why not spend the 3 points here (what else are you going to get? Empowered Touch? Naturalist? Furor?) and add a bonus to a spell you'll be using anyway?

Комментарий от TehDang

Testing been done on the presence/absence of hidden cooldown on procrate of this talent? Would be interesting to know.

Комментарий от cyborg99

Isn't this a carbon copy of the T3 set bonus for Druids? Wouldn't the same hidden cooldown(if any) rules that apply to that apply to this Talent?

Комментарий от 5189

Everytime I make a build on PTR, I just can't find enough points for this. I came here looking to see what the big deal might be, but even if it was 100% chance on ticks, it's such a tiny amount...

Комментарий от 130456

Does anybody know if this will restore pet focus?

Комментарий от Arnen

I've noticed that I'll get the buff from this on me when I haven't had rejuvenation on myself, but have had it on a party member. I'm not sure, but this leads me to believe that the mana regen effect applies to both the target and the caster, though it doesn't say so in the tooltip.

Edit: After more investigation, it looks like this buff applies to all party members, and possibly raid members as well.

Комментарий от wingman

Tested it today on beta. No internal CD... just a flat 15% chance. Speaking mathematically, there's probability of getting a couple of procs in a row, or no procs for some time. I've experienced both.

Also interesting, can still proc if the target is full health.

Комментарий от 151767

I'm not really sure how to make and find screenshots, but when this ability happens, a little "pulse" appears over the target. I thought it looked sorta cool :)

Комментарий от 255944

Since everyone seems to be so positive about this talent, I'll provide some counterargumentation.

Here's the math I did:
I'm just taking rage gain into account. For energy, multiply gains by 2, since the calculations are the same. (For % mana gain, divide by 4: Runic Power, multiply by 4).

Replenishment of a 18 second-duration (I'm taking Nature's Splendor into Account) Rejuvenation (15% chance per tick)

Number of procs over full duration - Probability - Total rage gain

0 procs -----> 0,37715 chance ---------> 0 rage
1 procs -----> 0,39933 chance ---------> 4 rage
2 procs -----> 0,17618 chance ---------> 8 rage
3 procs -----> 0,04145 chance ---------> 12 rage
4 procs -----> 0,00549 chance ---------> 16 rage
5 procs -----> 0,00039 chance ---------> 20 rage
6 procs -----> 1,13906E-05 chance --> 24 rage

Expected total rage gain (Sum of all rage gains multiplied by probability): 3,6 rage.

So basically, for spending 3 points in a talent that high up the tree, your tank will gain an average of 3,6 rage each time you cast a Rejuv on him/her, or you rogue will get 7,2 energy. Does this make it worth taking it? Not in my opinion. Especially not because I typically don't keep Rejuvs up on every target in my party while healing like a heroic. Personally I'd even take Gift of the Earthmother (ugh, needs a buff as well) over this one.

Conclusion:
The talent needs a buff, im my opinion. Either uppen the chance per tick, uppen the rage/energy/mana/RP gain itself or maybe even make each tick affect everyone in your party.

Ofcourse, my math and/or reasoning might be flawed. Feel free to comment.

Комментарий от mimicron

How about adding "When it occurs, your spell power increases by 1%/2%/3% of your spirit for 10 s."? Of course, percentage and time might be tweaked.

Комментарий от Hadrial

This seems to be one of the talents that choice is reflected on,
1) how many points you have left after all the nessicary talents are chosen,
2) what kind of raiding you do.

1) after a generally average/good talent build is filled out you may either have 2 or 3 spare points. It all depends on what you want and on #2 (which is right below). Imp Tranq CAN be picked over this, imp tranq is pretty much a panic button when all the $%^& has gone to hell. depending on your guild imp tranq might be a better choice.

2) for tank healing, this is a pretty weak talent to have. the rage gained per hit from a rage boss is pretty large making the 4-8 rage you get from a rejuv kind of weak and useless. for raid healing this could hypothetically increase your raids overall dps, depending on the kind of fight.

idunno if ill pick this in my 80 tree build, its a little too inconsistant, if it was 10/16/21 i would pick it up in a flash

Комментарий от 129299

(Full Credit to Scaesar for the table)
Number of procs over full duration - Probability - Total rage gain

0 procs -----> 0.37715 chance ---------> 0 mana
1 procs -----> 0.39933 chance ---------> 1% mana
2 procs -----> 0.17618 chance ---------> 2% mana
3 procs -----> 0.04145 chance ---------> 3% mana
4 procs -----> 0.00549 chance ---------> 4% mana
5 procs -----> 0.00039 chance ---------> 5% mana
6 procs -----> 1.13906E-05 chance --> 6% mana

Expected total mana gain (Sum of all mana gains multiplied by probability): .9% mana

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The cost of Rejuvenate (rank 15) is 18% of your base mana. Wowwiki lists a level 80 druid's base mana as 3796. This makes the cost of Rejuvenate, pre-talents, 683 (rounded down).

For casting Rejuvenate to return more mana than it costs .9% of your total mana (expected return) must be greater than the cost, 683.

This is true when your mana pool is greater than 75889.

683/.009 = 75889

Casting Rejuvenate on yourself to regain mana does not work.

Комментарий от 116387

I use rejuvenate alot, but I look at this talent and I can't find a reason to take three talent pts and apply them here.

I ask my myself the following questions?

Does this talent increase my healing and help keep the tank alive? Answer no

Does this talent increase dps, dpm, or raid suvivalibilty? Only if we have no ret pally or shadow priest, and very little.

Does this talent keep me so I can heal longer? maybe, but not nearly enough. So I would say this talent is a no :(

If they add +1/2/3%crit or +1/2/3%haste or affected by wild growth and rejuv I would have to take another look. For now I would say this talent get a "hmmm thats cool" and then skip over it.

Комментарий от 91451

As anyone considered using this as a mana regen for the druid itself?

Cast it on your self and get a nice return on your mana?

Комментарий от 116387

You can but the mana return is very poor. I have been considering if this talent would be good for arena. Imagine you are doing 2's with a rogue and you rejuv. You should get 2-3 ticks over the course of the rejuv so that is 24 extra energy for the rogue. That's an combo pt which means extra damage. For any other class I cannot see this being worth it.

Комментарий от 255944

As anyone considered using this as a mana regen for the druid itself?

Cast it on your self and get a nice return on your mana?

You will lose mana doing this. Please read Snarvelbug's post.

Your rogue will gain an average of 7,2 energy (as I stated in my post above) per Rejuv you cast. I'm sorry, no extra combo point there.

Комментарий от 291900

this talent is quite bad actually 15% chance per tick is nothing.

Комментарий от 300438

blizzard buff this talent pls ;)
why give us (nearly) useless talents deep resto ?

Комментарий от 226474

I find myself throwing Rejuvenation around like candy. On the tank, of course, refreshed every 12 seconds. Anyone else take any damage? Adds that get in a hit before the tank grabs aggro? AoEs? Pull aggro off the tank for a hit or two? Anytime anyone takes any damage, I throw a Rejuvenation at them. If they are sustaining damage, from a DoT or because the tank isn't recovering aggro for some reason, then I'll put other heals on them, too. Usually they're not, so usually a Rejuvenation is sufficient to restore them back to full health with minimal disruption to maintaining non-instant cast heals on the tank.

The point is, in actual application, all party members end up taking damage from time to time . . . pretty frequently, in fact . . . so I end up casting Rejuvenation on all party members. Pretty frequently.

The talent is not good enough that I'd decide to maintain Rejuvenation up on all party members all the time, regardless of their healing needs. It doesn't turn Rejuvenation into a fountain of rage/energy/mana/runic power and that's okay.
As long as I'm going to Rejuvenate them frequently anyway, I like talent. If it doesn't proc then I guess my Rejuvenation was just a Rejuvenation. But if it does proc, especially if it procs twice . . . well then bonus.

Комментарий от JCinDE

If this procs from Wild Growth ticks in 3.1 like current Blizzard posters on the official forums indicate, this talent will become a huge favorite.

.75 or .9 procs on average from a single Rejuvenation cast

5.25 procs on average (or 1.05 per target) from a single Wild Growth cast

The rules might get modified for how it works with WG, but Ghostcrawler did indicate they felt the talent was too weak.

This is exciting!

Комментарий от SirTreek23

Has anyone else noticed that when this procs on DK's, that they do a 'dispel' animation, and it makes the 'dispel' sound? I have tested this on every class and it only seems to do this on DK's, kinda strange.

Комментарий от 30515

Can it proc off the additional tick of Glyph of rejuvenation ?

Комментарий от 88848

Yes, it can proc off every tick of Rejuvenation (and come 3.1, Revitalize) regardless of talents or gylphs. It just applies a 15% chance each time the HOT ticks.

Комментарий от 314505

I have recently done some testing on the PTR with 3 Points in Revitalise on just Myself so Single Target Ticks & these are the numbers i came across:

5mins of Refreshing Rejuv every 18secs & Casting WG every 6secs.

First Test
29 Procs (176 or 177 Mana Regen Per Proc)
Between 5104 to 5133 Total Mana Regen over 5mins = an average of 85MP5

Second Test
19 Procs (176 or 177 Mana Regen Per Proc)
Between 3344 to 3363 Total Mana Regen over 5mins = an average of 55MP5 to 56MP5.

Third Test
25 Procs (176 or 177 Mana Regen Per Proc)
Between 4400 to 4425 Total Mana Regen over 5mins = an average of 73MP5

Once some Guildies get online i'll be Testing on Multi Target Proc's & Post the Numbers i come up with but so far its fair decent buff & may be something i will always spec into.

Комментарий от 198510

is it really 15% mana returned? I assume thats some sort of typo. Can anyone on the PTR verify the percetage of mana returned per tic that it activates?

Комментарий от 319936

If compare Rapture to Revitalize, it is sure that SHOULD be sth wrong. It really need to be checked or fixed. If it is really 15% mana, it is obviously over powered.

Комментарий от Kophil

According to Starstunz's testing mentioned above, the 15% mana regen in the tooltip is obviously a typo.

5104 mana regened / 29 procs = 176 mana per proc. That's 1% of a 17600 mana pool. Not 15%.

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The fact it will proc on wild growth on patch 3.1 makes it a far better choice than it used to be. WG ticks every second on 5 targets, which ends in a huge increase of procs.

Patch 3.08: With 3 rejuvenations and one WG active, you have 1 possibility every second (15% chance) to proc off replenish (Rejuv. ticks every 3 seconds, so 3 rejuv. = 1 tick / second)

Patch 3.10: With 3 rejuvenations and one WG active, you will have 6 possibilities every second (15% chancefor each) to proc off revitalize (the new name of this talent).

Комментарий от 108118

Casting Wild Growth will give 5 * 0.15 = 0.75 proc per second over 7 seconds.

That makes an average of 5.25 procs per casting of Wild Growth.

Wild Growth currently costs me 643 mana to cast.

Granted the regen is not to yourself, but providing everyone who you cast this on has more than (643/5.25*100) 12,247 mana, this heal is technically free.

As someone whos two main skills are rejuve and wild growth I'm very happy about the change. I already used it in raids because I raid heal rather than mt heal. Throwing rejuve on everyone in the party (can easily be done in 10man, with time to swiftmend and wildgrowth) keeps everyone alive quite well. It kills the mana, but on shorter fights with loads of DoTs and AoEs going off it means the MT healing can concentrate on their target, and the second raid healer can aim for any burst dmg the raid has been taken. With this talent everyone gets a nice bonus of free power regen, which means DPS can DPS more, tanks can taunt more, healers can heal more, and everyone is happy. :)

Комментарий от 318579

For those who are interested in the "proc chance" breakdown of Revitalize with Wild Growth, here it is.

Assuming maximum Revitalize rank.

Chance of at least 1 proc on at least 1 person from entire wild growth duration:
67.94229117% (1-((1-0.15)^7))

Chance of at least 5 procs, 1 on each person from wild growth duration:
14.47530465% ((1-((1-0.15)^7))^5)

You can adjust for different amounts of points in Revitalize by adjusting the 0.15 decimal to 0.10 or 0.05.

This lists the chance for Revitalize to happen when using wild growth. Further breakdowns can be extrapolated.

Voxlethum <Trismegistus> of US-Medivh (A)

Комментарий от Tripster

If revitalize ticks on a transformed Druid, does it restore both mana and rage/energy?

Комментарий от 450260

The most useful of the bonuses are energy and runic power gains, followed by Rage gains, making this best with Wild Growth cast on melee groups where there are DKs, Rogues, and Cat Druids present. It also gives you a good reason to cast Rejuv on these specific classes if there's nothing else to cast at the moment (its not like the 371 mana cost of Rejuv is going to hurt you, especially if you're gear is anywhere near decent).

If casters are running themselves out of mana, they need to get better gear, or use their spells more wisely. The 1% mana proc is nice, but it shouldn't have any effect at all on their healing output or their dps. On the other hand, the effects it has on melee should usually increase their dps (Paladin and Shaman melee not included because they have mana).

Warrior & Druid tanks shouldn't be affected much by this talent - they should have enough rage without it. Paladin tanks shouldn't have mana issues. DK tanks, though, could benefit from the extra runic power.

From what I've seen, Warriors & Bears don't tend to empty out their rage too often, casters almost never empty out their mana pool, but Rogues/Cats can use up all their energy and DKs can use up all their runic focus quite often.

Комментарий от 287504

With a rejuv and wild growth on a frost dk, they will get 2 procs about every 10 seconds

i use 2 procs because that equals to one frost strike.

i do not know how often they will be sitting at runic cap but lets just assume they wont waste, i know its being optimistic but lets assume that.

i dont know the avg frost strike hit and crit, but from what i have seen its roughly 10 crits and 4k hits about from high geared players. assume crit chance of 35%, thats probably low though.

avg frost strike would thus be about 6100 dmg.

a free FS every 10 seconds, this buffs each frost dk's dps by over 600.

i dont know the math for the rogues, but i feel like dk's that either FS spam, or DC spam will get a huge benefit out of this, and spamming it on the melee every 7 seconds is very common for a resto druid.

using it on the ranged can keep thier mana up a little bit on the longer fights or very difficult ones too.

all around great talent because it applys to abilities you use very often.

far better talent than mana reduc to nourish, 3% crit, or also imo living seed(i run 2/3 seed)

Комментарий от Kurtosis

As a DK Frost tank, OMFG I love this talent. I just switched from a standard 15/51/5 build to 12/54/5, sacrificing roughly 1/2 my RP regen for a raid-wide 20% melee haste buff (no reliable shamman right now).

At first I felt very RP-starved, and with Rune Strike macro'd into every attack I had to be careful about casting Frost Strike, only doing so when it wouldn't take me below 20-40RP (enough for IBF cd and 1x RS). This was just one more thing I had to keep an eye on as a tank. But then our druid respec'd into 3/3 Revitalize and I've got more RP than I know what to do with. No idea how well this works for other classes, but for DK's it's great.

Комментарий от Aisenfaire

With the hotfix to this (credits to Dreamslayer's comment below),

Druid, Priest and Shaman heal over time spells now appropriately trigger heal over time related effects, even when the target has full health.

trees are seeing this proc every few seconds, and some have stated on the elitistjerks forums that it accounted for 15-30% of their raid replenishment in recent raids.

This talent won't pad your healing meters, but they WILL raise your dpsers' dps and help your tanks and other healers as well. A must-have for progression raiding.

Link: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t86204-tree_healing_guide_progress/p2/

Комментарий от mongbatstar

Useful talent on the Prof. Putricide encounter.

This talent restores energy to your abomination, along with rapture and eating the ooze.

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