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For a raiding specc you need those 3% extra dmg done, else you can just skip the fire specc completely!
I'd say that an arcane specc on 3x Arcane Blast, 1 Arcane Missile 1x Scorch rotation (which is a really low dps for an arcane and about the same mana use as fireball spamming) will out-dps any fire mage without 3x Playing with Fire.
Make up for the increased dmg taken with some more stamina.

And ppl, dont go fire for pvp :)

Комментарий от specterk

Playing with Fire is a *multiplicative* damage-boosting talent. This is significant because it *scales* with gear as well as with other talents which add to (additive) or multiply (multiplicative) spell damage done.
Read on for the math.

Ignite is counted as its own spell, and receives its OWN bonus from PwF, as well; this means that every single point of %crit you have also increases your overall gains from PwF, allowing it to scale not only with your base spell damage, talent adjusted spell damage and spellpower adjusted spell damage, but ALSO with your chance to crit!

Here are a few examples of how this ultimately affects your damage.

With:
-Ignite (40% of total crit damage dealt in the form of an additional spell, after each crit)
-Fire Power (+10% to base spell damage)
-Empowered Fire (+15% spellpower to Fireball/FFB)
-1000 Spellpower from gear
-Burnout (crit bonus damage increased by 50%)
-Ice Shards (crit bonus damage increased by 100%)
-Piercing Ice (+6% to base spell damage)

And Frostfire Bolt (Rank 2) with average base damage of 780, and a base spell damage coefficient of (3.0/3.5) or 85%, and standard critical strikes dealing an additional 50% of the spell's damage:

(Rounding decimals down to nearest integer when used in calculations)

Base damage: 780
Add Fire Power: +78 (780 * 0.10) >>> Gain 15.6 damage per talent point
Add Piercing Ice: +46 (780 * 0.06) >>> Gain 15.33 damage per talent point
Add (Spellpower): +850 (1000 * 0.85)
Add Empowered Fire: +150 (1000 * 0.15) >>> Gain 50 damage per talent point
Adjusted non-crit spell damage: >>> 1904
Add Playing With Fire: +57 (1904 * 1.03) >>> Gain 19 damage per talent point
Final non-crit spell damage: >>> 1961

As you can see, Playing with Fire actually gives you a better return per talent point than Fire Power and/or Piercing Ice (for FFB) at this level of Spellpower. If you had left out both Fire Power and Piercing Ice, you would've gained (1780 * 0.03) = 53 damage from Playing with Fire, which is still 17.66 damage per talent point - and thus, more valuable to your DPS than Fire Power or Piercing Ice... and this is only with 1000 spellpower. (At extremely low levels of spellpower, PwF will not be as efficient, but in WotLK +1000 is insignificant, and thus a useful benchmark to illustrate the superiority of PwF).

Now that you know how useful PwF is... here's something else to blow your mind: PwF grants its 3% bonus to the damage from Ignite, AS WELL! So in our above example, let's simulate a Crit, both with and without PwF!

Crit multiplier with Burnout and Ice Shards:
Base: +0.50
Burnout: +(0.5 * 0.5) = +0.25
Ice Shards: +(0.5 * 1) = 0.50
Total: +1.25, or 225% damage on crit.

(Ignites will be calculated separately, below)

Crit without PwF: (1904 * 2.25) = 4284
Add Ignite: (4284 * 0.4) * 1.00) = +1713
4284 + 1713 = << 5997 >> crit without PwF

Crit with PwF: (1961 * 2.25) = 4412
Add Ignite: (4412 * 0.4) * 1.03) = +1764
4412 + 1764 = << 6176 >> crit with PwF.
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So to sum up, here's the complete bonus from PwF from that crit spell:

6176 - 5997 = << 179 >> total benefit to the crit damage.

That's 59.66 damage per talent point per crit, folks.

So, given our test run with FFB Rank 2, using only 1000 spellpower from gear, that makes Playing With Fire worth a grand total of:
Non-Crit: 19 damage per talent point (effectively +1.9% damage per point)
Crit: 59.66 damage per talent point (effectively +5.966% damage per point)

As you can see, you really do want this talent if you're going to be pinching the pennies on the raid dps charts - or even soloing, if you don't need Blast Wave/Dragon's Breath. It adds up FAST.

Ultimately, you take the FINAL (post-crit, including Ignite) damage of your spell, and multiply by 1.03, and that's the effect that 3/3 PwF will give you. It is HUGE, giving better returns even than Fire Power and Piercing Ice point-for-point above a certain spellpower threshold, and particularly with FFB.

Комментарий от 64407

This talent won the third place at Eurovision!

Комментарий от Thottbot

Seems like points better spent elsewhere.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I've always questioned the usefulness of this spell. Many arena Fire Mages seem to prefer placing three points in this and not take Incinerate. But I suppose it must have it's usefulness for Mages who just can't seem to get crits out.

Комментарий от Thottbot

One of the most worthless talents available to any class at present time. See: "Fire Power" in the very next tier of fire talents.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I agree, i'm a mage and am NOT taking that. I searched for a quest and got this, read it, and it looks pretty stupid to me...

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