I really don't see why removing the knockback is necessary in the case of shamans...simply using Fire Nova Totem as a precursor, causes the targets to be stunned, and those targets will not be affected by the knockback. For Tauren shamans it's even easier; all they have to do is War Stomp (Albeit, that option would only be available while it is not on cooldown). Obviously this is assuming you have Improved Fire Nova Totem, but I figure it's a rather nice talent that almost all elemental shamans should have.

Similarly, mages may be able to prevent Blast Wave's knockback by using Frost Nova first, but I would appreciate if a mage would confirm this for me. I am not quite sure about druids, as I do not know much about them, so I couldn't say for sure if there is any similar way in their case to negate the knockback through existing means. Keep in mind however, that Typhoon, aside from being directional, is a mere 5 yard knockback. If anyone in raid honestly complains about a measly 5 yards, they really need to get a grip.

There are already ways to prevent an annoying knockback in a raid and you still get to use it for the fun stuff in PvP. In fact, if all this glyph does is increase the mana gained back, it is truly worthless. Any elemental shaman worth their salt, with Unrelenting Storm and Elemental Focus and Mana Shield active, should have no problem with mana going through any given fight in a raid. Even spamming my cast order as quickly as possible (Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Lightning Bolt x2, Earth Shock, Lava Burst, Lightning Bolt x2) takes five minutes to reduce me from 18000 mana to 0, assuming I never use Thunderstorm. And that's if I am by myself, ignoring the fact that in a 25-man raid, you would have such ridiculous MP5, it would be a non-issue anyway. Point is, any glyph would be better off even just increasing the damage dealt than simply increasing the mana gained.

Комментарий от 117377

This is a raiding glyph.
Removing the knockback effect and increasing the mana regen basically turns this into an mp5 based ability.

Immensely useful, I expect all raiding ele shamans will take it.
I have no idea why it's not ingame though...

Комментарий от Draenors

Is the knockback effect a disadvantage in PvE? Yes and no.

In a normal trash-pack, you will likely interrupt the tanking by using knockback. But again, who cares about that extra small amount of DPS in a single trash-fight? At least bosses won't get knockback, so you can use it freely on them (if you can get close enough to the boss).

There are of course fights like Sartharion, where you may have to run away from the adds in order to get the 8% mana without having to knock them away from the tank. However, on this fight, you may also get into a situation where you need to get the adds away from you, or where Thunderstorm can do the last few damage to one or two low-HP adds.

And don't forget about fight likes Gluth where the knockback effect is actually quite effective at pushing back the adds.

As a casual PvP'er, there's no way I would ever get this glyph for the small raiding-advantage. But even if I were a 100% raider, I doubt I would get it. The 2% extra mana is not very important at all, especially not since the recent patch boosted our already high mana-efficiency. And I doubt a little more damage on trash (and Sartharion) is worth sacrificing a nice ability on Gluth and maybe a few other fights.

Комментарий от felixmdx

the knockback is thunderstorms main purpose! so this becomes usless item like junk

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Комментарий от Janettie

With dual specs, and the opportunity of raiding and PvP spec combos, this glyph I imagine will get a LOT more popular.

It seems all shamans have water walking and water breathing, so this will be a perfect third glyph for the PvE spec.

Комментарий от Fantic

As a tank (paladin and druid), Thunderstorm is the most annoying spell in the world. Nothing worse than laying down consecration and then having your dps blast the mobs out of it.

Комментарий от WarDaft

Can easily save a tanks life on trash if you use it right. You almost never see people do that though, which is why knockbacks are so shunned in PvE

Комментарий от PinkWolf

...but it no longer knocks enemies back.

What trickery is this?

Комментарий от 146819

I can see the reasons for getting this glyph, but I do have one question:

It's made to improve the top-level Elemental talent, and the Elemental tree is made for ranged DPS. Why would you need to be close enough for the knockback to affect the mobs in the first place?

@Dradee: I know its PvP uses; I was referring to why people get so %^&*!y in PvE when an Elemental Shammy doesn't have this glyph when they shouldn't even be getting close enough for the kb to even do anything.

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