A Plate dps helm with a truckload of agility. As tempting as the Strength on the gear may look, I doubt the helm will have a high dps value due to the stat points wasted on agility.

Unless somehow Blizz makes agility more useful towards warriors/ret pallies/death knights, I don't see how this is going to be a decent helm. Some blue may well have better plate dps stats.

Комментарий от jeddic

This looks amazing. I want one.

Комментарий от 10128

Agility is a terrible stat for all plate wearers. It gives less critical strike than critical strike rating, and does not affect spells.

The only bonus is the fact that it increases armor, but only very slightly.

Obviously here the Agility is meant to replace the Stamina that is missing,
but critical strike rating or expertise rating would have been better.

Not meant to be an optimal piece of gear though i guess.

Комментарий от Wallstreet86

While agility certainly Isn't a main dps stat for warriors or most melee classes you have to look at it from another side...They removed all stam for offensive abilities and to balance it to be good but not so good that players would never replace them even if they found helms with much more item level they simply filled up the item level with agility which is a decent but not great offensive stat.
The agility in this case acts as a buffert: 100% offensive stats but a portion is from the gimped stat agility. Personally I get it why they did this, but of course it will be kind of an eye sore because you know what could have been if it all was put on fully offensive stats.

I do agree with the above comment of simply putting crit/stam instead of agility(some crit)/no stam.

Комментарий от 31182

For some classes/specs, such as Retribution Paladins, this is currently the best helm in the game -- including 25-man raids -- by a fairly significant margin if you are not currently hit capped (which for ret Paladins, is 296 Hit rating).

Комментарий от 146254

I don't think some people realize that the agility on this helmet is actually pretty nice from any DPS plate wearer's point of view. Speaking from a warrior's perspective, it takes 62.5 agility to get 1% crit. Any warrior who gets this helm is going to use the meta slot, so there's 6 more agility, which brings the total to 66 agility, therefore, 1% crit. So the agility on this helmet is NOT a waste, and I for one am loving the agility that I am seeing on plate now.

Комментарий от Valpants

Ugh, I came here looking for one of those handy base mat posts but there is none so here we go using the simplest mats (not transmuting for titanium bars:

8x Saronite Ore
12x Titanium Bar (24x Titanium Ore)
4x Eternal Earth (40x Crystallized Earth)
4x Eternal Shadow (40x Crystallized Shadow)
4x Eternal Fire (40x Crystallized Fire)
1x Frozen Orb

Комментарий от 181677

Nice how this is the only one of the three epic crafted BS helms with a meta socket. /cry

Комментарий от 66086

I honestly don't understand why would people whine about this helm not having any stamina. If you want to PvP, it's useless more or less as it has no resilience, if you want to PvE... well, let's just say that if you need loads of stamina... you are getting hit often, and that means that someone is not doing their job.

Комментарий от Aurrius

I highly suggest, if you're upgrading from blue/green gear, grabbing another epic simultaneously to compensate for the lack of crit on this item.

Комментарий от 118697

This is currently the best Retribution Paladin helmet in the game. It's even better than https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40576 due to the massive amount of agility instead of stamina.

With https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=44149 from Knights of the Ebon Blade and https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=41285 in the meta socket this helmet provides (for a ret paladin with 5/5 Divine Strength):

2.16% Crit
310 Attack Power
60 Hit Rating
3% increased critical damage

Комментарий от Wallstreet86

I want evidence from them a few posts earlier stating agility is better than crit rating for dps warriors and saying I´m an idiot for wanting(wishlist) crit rating instead of agility :)

Комментарий от 38539

stats are worth it even for a death knight, the hit on it means you can balance out with tiems less likely to have hit on them but have greater stats and this helm provides a full force of nice stats on it to get you started along with the bonus of hit rating.

- Frozeneko (Terenas EU)

Комментарий от galvin

This helmet is getting nerfed in the upcomming patch.
http://www.wotlkwiki.info/forum/showthread.php?t=5141

113str becomes 97str

Комментарий от 201199

It is an awesome helm! With &*!@loads of AP and armor (+Agility for armor).
Too bad it is no stamina on it tho. And only the meta wich makes u unable to stam socket it.
60 hit is damn nice on warr. Since the hit reduction on Titan's Grip will be gone next patch. Makes you able to stack up Ap and crit :)
It is by the way pretty cheap to make too. 4x Titansteel Bars, 4x Saronite Bars and only one Frozen Orb (Wich you will get loads of if you do heroics).

Комментарий от Fugazi

Currently on PTR this helmet have following stats:

1821 Armor
97 STR
60 hit rating
44 crit rating
meta socket
blue socket
(socket bonus 8 crit rating)

So in comparison we get:
-16 STR
- 66 AGI
+ 44/52 crit rating (depends if you use blue gem)
+ blue socket

So real difference is:
66 AGI vs 44 crit rating

A slight nerf but nothing major.

Комментарий от danroe

Kinda rememinds me of Asterix's helm.

Wish there was a potion wich made you inmue to all... ohwait there is.
Only i don't remember it's name.

Комментарий от 135219

According to wow insider in the next patch the stats will change.

-The agility will be removed

- a blue socket will be added

- increased critical strike chance will be added to compensate for the agility loss

now if only it had some stamina because i lost 800+plus health after equipping this ><

Комментарий от 5372

it sure isn't a nerf for rets. it's a huge buff imho. lot's of your damage is from spells really and crit rating gives spell crit as well.

taken from http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37843-retribution_paladin_thread_wrath_3_0_a/

Crit See Observations
We are quite reliant on critical strikes to do damage. You can never really have too much crit, but it is not worth gemming for it, gem for STR instead. You need 45.9 crit rating to gain 1% crit at 80. This stat gains no benefits from raid buffs, but you get more per itemization point from crit than you do AGI. This stat also increases your spell crit rating, making it flat out superior to AGI.

Комментарий от PinktheDK

Also, another note on this helmet - it seems to have a minor gap in the model on the helmet's "wings", at least when viewed from behind.

Комментарий от 212855

This was nerfed disgustingly hard for patch 3.0.8

The previous stats were :

1821 Armor
+113 Strength
+60 Agility
Meta Socket
Socket Bonus +6 Agility
Equip: Improves hit rating by 60

The new stats are:

1821 Armor
+97 Strength
Meta Socket
Blue Gem Socket
Socket Bonus +8 Critical Strike Rating
Equip: Improves hit rating by 60.
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 44.

I suppose the addition of the Blue gem socket allows for a JC/BS to enhance the helm with a Bold Dragon's Eye (+27 STR), but this seems like a pretty drastic change over all, considering the additional bonuses derived from agility besides critical strike rating.

Комментарий от 172160

Due to patch 3.0.8 you can now add a blue gem into this helm!

Комментарий от 278823

Anyone still getting the 6 agi socket bonus?

Комментарий от 93917

considering the additional bonuses derived from agility besides critical strike rating.

Which let's face it, for what this helmet is for (PvE DPS), isn't all that beneficial.

For Paladins, Warriors and Death Knights, it only increases crit chance, armor and dodge rating, of which armor and dodge isn't that useful when you're involved in hurting stuff without it attacking you. Warriors and Death Knights require 62.5 agility to get 1% crit chance, so this helmet gives pretty much the same amount of crit chance now. Only paladins lose out since they require only 52 agility per 1% crit chance (don't ask me why, that's what wowwiki says).

Overall, I'd say that this item is around the same, if a tiny bit better, for warriors and Death knights due to the blue socket, and a tiny bit of a nerfed item for Retri paladins, since they lose a little strength and a little crit chance which I'm not sure the blue slot compensates entirely. It's not that much of a nerf though...

Комментарий от 88618

This was nerfed disgustingly hard for patch 3.0.8

Yeah, not really buying that.

Lets look at the Agi/crit. 1% Crit = 45.9 Crit rating = 62.5 agi. So the old helm had 66 agi for 1.06% Crit, and 1.16% crit with BoK up. The new helm has 44 and potentially 52 crit rating for 0.96% or 1.13% Overall its a 0.2% change in crit from worst case to best case, almost negligable.

For the STR/AP, you are 16 STR behind the old helm, quickly rectified by a 16 STR gem. You have basically the same helm, you are just 0.1 or 0.2% lower in crit.

So losing 0.2% crit is "disgustingly hard" ?

Also, consider putting a Sovereign Twilight Opal in there. You lose 8 STR, crit is a wash from old helm and gain 12 Stam. Not a great tradeoff dps wise, but not too bad either. Or someone like me who is desperately in need of expertise, you can drop in Guardian's Twilight Opal.

But back to the main point, hardly a nerf at all.

Комментарий от 315671

I'm pretty sure you'd be better off with the perfect sovereign shadow crystal than the blue-quality ap/sta gem.

are u retarded?

Комментарий от 320385

Can anyone tell me what appromixatly the cost will be to get one of these one the AH or created?
Thanks in advance!

Комментарий от 263085

As a DK i will always take Crit Strike Rating over Agility. Sure agility gives me a small buff to my armour rating, but in all honesty thats negligable, as, with Frost Presence active, i am already at around 60% damage reduction. The additional Blue socket has more than made up for the loss of a small amount of Str and in fairness unless im tanking, i don't give a damn about stamina.

All in all the changes made are for the better, as this helm can now be useful for longer for all Plate wearing classes (at least until Naxx 25) and is relatively cheap to have crafted.

Комментарий от 131361

am I the only one who thinks that this would go GREAT with the bike mounts?

Комментарий от 343251

Ive just hit 80 with my retri pally. Is this still worth getting as you can now get https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=47220 from ToC quite easily.

Or is the Spiked Titansteel still worth the investment?

Комментарий от 327649

I cant really find a meta gem that I can fill the requirements for it. Anyone know which gem I can use?

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