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Comentado por Mikezila

This is really nice for fighting classes that try to kite you. If you can get a couple sinister strikes off before the blink/hamstring/wingclip/counterattack, you'll have a much easier time getting back ahold of your enemy. It's also nice when you're chasing someone, and daze them before they can get to a group, or to a regen powerup. It's not something that'll totally replace crippling poision in PvE, but for PvP, I now use Deadly Poison, and haven't had the Dazed effect fail on me when I needed it. Not a bad way to spend two talent points.

It's also worth noting that you can't break Daze like you can break other things, like traps or crip. poison. This is the almighty daze, and nothing short of a Divine Shield breaks it. So even if they're a class that can decurse, they can't break it, giving you that much more time to beat on them.

Comentado por 37560

Yet the majority of combat rogues with a full 41 or even, 45 points in combat stay away from this ability.

Why would anyone want to use this ability? If you are going to be in a PvP situation, you WILL HAVE to use crippling poison, and with the advent of the new ability; Shiv, there is simply no use for this ability anymore.

Cripple on offhand, I have a snare ON DEMAND. You trinket, if I react fast enough, I will Shiv you and you're back on square one, there is simply no more "luck" involved. At the start of a fight, even if you have nature resist totem, I will Shiv you, and I will keep Shivving you until my cripple goes on, there is no luck involved, I won't "proc" a poison and have it resisted now.

Cripple lasts 12 seconds, this only lasts 8. Cripple slows movement by 70%, Daze slows only by 50%

20% for a proc on sinister strike. 100% for me to apply cripple through shiv.

There is quite a world of difference in effectiveness.

Comentado por kuonji

Might I bring your attention to the following abilities?:

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=34120
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=30324

Comentado por BoddAH

Can anyone who actually tried this please post if this is like a real PvE daze (nothing but Divine Shield/BoP/Iceblock... can remove it)
or like other crappy PvP dazes (Blast Wave, Piercing Howl...) and removable by BoF, Vanish, Shapeshifting...

It makes a HUGE difference, one of the things I have the most problems with as a Rogue are guys kiting me with BoF or Druids running away by shapeshifing, despite Crippling Poison. If all these things don't remove the proc I might consider speccing for it over Nerves of Steel since I'm not a l33t 30% stun resist Orc Rogue. If they do it's just a weaker and unreliable version of Crippling Poison (with the only difference it's not dispellable but still not worth it.)

Comentado por 63375

Does this cause mounted people to dismount?

Comentado por 113880

also this is great ability against runners in pve and pvp and who told that 120 % slow effect is bad :D ( if stackable ^^)
also great improvment of ur friends (hunters , wariors ) dmg

Comentado por tekneek03

anybody know if shapeshifting removes this debuff?

Comentado por 150237

Question: Does this stack w/ Crippling Poison?

Comentado por 143611

"increases the damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%"- whoah, it's a huge boost:D

unfortunatelly, seems blizz wants us to use the most boring spec...

Comentado por 223192

so when did this get changed. I went to respec outa sub the other day and i guess they hot fixed it?....never noticed the damage multiplier on there outside of beta trees online. no mention in any patch notes at all so i'm guessing it was just a hot fix.

Comentado por 158973

Does the "blade twisting" effect have diminishing returns?

Comentado por blabla

Does "damaging melee attacks" refer to normal melee attacks or abilities?

Comentado por 1771

With TB I can use deadly in my OH and use envenom.
I totally own at the moment.

Comentado por 238760

is the "increases the damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%" old or something because i didnt see it live. or are they going to eventually make it live?

Comentado por Cross88

I'd also like to point out that in combat, the dazed effect can provide a good opportunity to step back out of their range. You only need a few seconds to let your energy bar completely regenerate.

Comentado por 288335

Get ready to see alot of 'immune' spam when you raid as combat. :)

Comentado por matoh

why everyone only discussing Dazed part of this talent,,?

it also has "Increased damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%"

Comentado por 132251

Does this spell increase the bonus damage or the total damage of sinister strike?

Comentado por Thottbot

I took this as a filler, but i fail to see its use as
crippeling poison rank 1 is much better

other than the fact that it can be reisted i dont see the point.. and 20% on a few bread and butter abilties isnt much

Comentado por Thottbot

Druids can't shift out of Daze. If you have this talent there's no need to spam Shiv on druids except at the beginning. Shiv can Daze.

Druids have Cure Poison and Abolish Poison (which is Cure Poison in DoT form.) Shaman also have Cure Poison. These can be cast on other players.

My point is the cleverer ones will be hard to pin down, and that's where this talent comes in. I would say it's primarily anti-druid along with being useful in general -- not having to rely so heavily on Shiv.

Comentado por Thottbot

Yes, Blade Twisting have its moments in PVP. First, if you just don't use cripplin poison, its nice. But even if you do, players allways tend to cure poison or use some trinket to take away, the slowing effect. Wtih Blade Twisting they have another problem on their hands.

Comentado por Thottbot

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=34120/tiro-firme

Comentado por Thottbot

Its great for ganking, mages and druids are hard to catch to due blink and travel form. If you like to gank.. Its a great tool.

Comentado por Thottbot

in pvp, you mainly want your enemy to move as little as possible. take a combat mace rogue with crippling poison and blade twisting. thats some simple but VERY serious stopping power right there.

blade twisting could have a couple of uses in pve too - for example when it procs you can run away and regain your full energy for another burst attack. helpfull when soloing elites.

though - i dont recommend it if youre purely pve oriented - you should be able to find a better use for 2 talent points.

Comentado por Thottbot

Sorry for the stupid question... but if you attack the target while it is dazed... does the attack break the daze?

Comentado por Thottbot

No... that's why I'm asking.. I am a new player.. sorry.. just trying to collect some info for my build...

Comentado por Thottbot

Yeah what exactly is daze - slow movement speed, slow attack speed, slow in general? you can still move while dazed, and i'm not sure if it affects your attack rate/haste?

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