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Comentado por 248345

Seems like Blizzard going add some on hit effects a la classic to Icecrown weapons. Would be nice.

Comentado por 235583

Not to mention the stats are quite good, missing some agility, but you can always enchant it. :D

Comentado por 297026

unless the proc chance (1% at the time of posting) and/or effect (9% shadow dmg) is buffed and/or the stats are increased, this is going to be vendor/DE trash. 25g though, which is apparently the equivalent of killing the lich king

Comentado por Kabi

I wonder... this says melee attacks
Does it work for all the melee attacks... even skills?
or just melee swings...

If its melee swings its kinda lame... in the other hand if it actually makes any high damage skill do extra damage then it may work

And if not... it looks awesome at least

Comentado por crusader666

I wonder why nobody has commented how awsome this beauty looks!

Comentado por 484555

I have a bruce!

Comentado por Taztingo

This will be pretty powerful for a combat rogue. Auto Attacks making up roughly 60% of our damage.

Assuming https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=47865 will increase the damage done from Necrotic Touch makes it even more appealing.

Comentado por Selendis

Well, proc chance is 1%, which means that each 100 strikes you'll get the BUFF. Strikes including SS and your 1.4 offhand. Just run your recount and count the amount of hitz.(Rap like, LoL) We just got accustomed to
X stat 1
Y stat 2
x rating 1
y rating 2
z rating 3
epix that any other ways of increasing dee pee ess like 1% chance proxx seems weird and useless to us. What about activating your +1k ap trinket and perform a Killin Spree while you Buffed up, or save ARush till Bruise proc's? FoK will trigger proc too, as it does to enchants\poisons\other stuff. This weapon will make our KS\Arush\BFury even more effective in pve. About proc chance... Even 2% proc chance means procc every 50 hits, and youll get....
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1.7 MH 35 hits in 60 seconds.
0.8 OH, 75 hits in 60 seconds.
+ approx 20 SS in the same time. You ll be reaching 50 hits approx. every 25-30 seconds.
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... + 6% DPS CUS 1 ITEM WTF LOL ? Keep in mind, its only 1% chance increasement)
I suppose that 69 agi + 49 haste\hit like on its twin, Keleseth's Seducer, will produce from equal to less dmg overral in 5-6 min combat in 25-ppl raid with all buffs and haste effects on. But how many procable epic items is in WotlK? I remembered only crappy 200itm lvl BoE ring) So, this Fw should be AwesomE, from look and rarity to usability)
P.s. Sorry for poor eng)

Comentado por 113933

NOTE: THESE NUMBERS WERE RUN BEFORE THE HOTFIX!

I just ran some VERY rough numbers on it for enhancement shaman.

With dual 2.6 speed weapons, in 1 minute you should see about 90 auto-swings, ~7 stormstrikes, ~7 lava lash, and ~7 WF procs (numbers based on EnhSim results w/ mostly ilevel 264 gear pulled from mmo-champ).

This means each minute, you'll see about 120 hits (counting WF as 2 hits), or 1 hit every 0.5 seconds. With a 1% proc chance, that means it'll be up about every 50 seconds or so, giving it a 20% uptime or so. Pretty typical of other proc trinkets and the like.

The buff gives 9% more melee damage. The fact that it's shadow damage shouldn't have a huge impact, because the damage that triggers it is already reduced by armor, it just prevents it from double-dipping against you. Though if it scales up with Curse of the Elements and other such buffs, it might be worth a little more.

Again, pulled from my EnhSim results, about 58% of my damage is from what I'd imagine are included in "melee attacks" (the same ones above I counted to determine the procs), meaning the proc is worth about (0.09 * 0.58) 5.22% increased damage overall, with a 20% uptime, this comes out to 1.04% increased damage.

At the gear level you'll be at when wearing this weapon, you can obtain a similar boost from picking up ~140 AP (I got this by toying w/ the sim til I came to a number 1% higher than I did w/o the BB proc).

To put that in perspective, here's some other common procs averaged out.
Death's Verdict: 150 Agi (worth about the same as 270 AP for shamans)
Death's Verdict (heroic): 170 Agi (worth about the same as 300 AP for shamans)
Blood of the Old God: 246 AP

Compared to Remorseless, I'd say BB is vastly under budget. They have similar stam and AP, BB's proc is only worth ~140 AP (ie. 70 points of other stats), but Remorseless has 138 points of other stats, a socket, and it's lower ilevel!

I'd take BB over ToC25 weapons, but not over ToGC25 (heroic) weapons, if you have access to those. For classes that use fewer spells, it might be good, but the item is crap for shamans, imo.

Comentado por GrooCT

This wf has a similar shape to the horde banner...

Comentado por 26852

Haskel's numbers make this look like a piece of garbage next to comperable weapons. On the other hand, consider: Heartpierce (the proc dagger) is 1ppm from both weapons unmodified by haste, giving it 3% mainhand/2.3% offhand proc chance. If this weapon works in a similar way, then your proc chance is 4.3% from a 2.6 speed weapon (and the same 2.3% offhand chance for the rogues out there, since they would offhand a dagger with this). In that perspective, this looks quite a bit better!

Ultimately, we'll have to see what tests say.

Comentado por 20394

I got this weapon tonight, and was VERY excited about sitting down and testing it out on the dummies to see how it stands up compared to my 258 ToGC weapons. I'm sure many of you have questions regarding this weapon, so let me state a few things about it:

The weapon proc is NOT affected by CoE/Ebon etc.
The weapon proc is only indirectly affected by Sunder/Expose (procs off base damage remember?)
The weapon proc does NOT work off Flametongue attacks.
The weapon proc DOES work on Stormstrike and Lava Lash
The weapon proc CAN NOT critical hit.
The weapon proc does NOT benefit from the shaman t10 2 piece bonus damage.

Edit: The proc rate was recently hotfixed. My initial testing indicated a 1.3% chance for it to proc based on a 3000+ hit autoattack sample on a level 60 dummy. After the hotfix, the proc chance seemed to be ~2.6% - effectively twice what it was. However, detailed testing done by other members of the Shaman community have shown a proc rate of ~3.3%. It should be noted that their tests use Stormstrike, Windfury, and Lava Lash while mine did not.

This indicates that the proc is actually on a PPM basis, but I do not have exact numbers.

The simulator now indicates this weapon is on par with current 258 weapons from ToGC 25man raids. However, due to the very random nature of this weapon proc and the short duration of many fights in ICC, I will continue to use my 258 weapons simply for reliable dps output. I still feel the proc should be buffed to make it a clear winner for both Rogues AND Enhancement Shamans, but my gut tells me they will leave it as it is.

Comentado por Stoan

I auto attacked a dummy for about 15 minutes the other day, tossed on as much haste as I could just to get more swings. Nothing but auto-attack and my windfury totem. It looks like it has ~30% up time, it would refresh itself at times but take a few seconds other times. Out of about 1000 swings I had roughly 300 of them with the buff on. I did the test a few more times for shorter periods and it would range from about 20% to 30% of my swings were affected by it.

Armory is down at the time of writing so here is my wow-heroes link if you want to see the haste and stuff involved.
http://wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Zul%27jin&name=Shocks

Comentado por 519345

I just looted this last night (Enhancement Shaman) and I've noticed the same outcomes.

20-30% uptime (20% if moving a bit 30% if stationary)

When moving the proc accounts for 1-2% of my overall dmg. When stationary it's about 3-4%.

I'm sure it will be retooled a little more in the near future (hoping to atleast see some Agility added), but the weapon dmg itself is a nice upgrade none the less. If you have a shot at it, I suggest you get it. You never know how powerful they might change the proc to or how much the weapon could be buffed in general.

Comentado por drstein7

From a shaman point of view this weapon even after the buff is not an ilevel 264 weapon.It's better than the ilevel 245 weapons and the golden saronite but it is still behind about 20-50 dps (depending on gear) from ilevel 258 weapons from toc.Also the weapons with stats will perform better in aoe fights.

So if you have a weapon from anub hard mode 25 don't get this weapon .It's a downgrade.If you have golden saronite or any 245 weapon yes it will be a small upgrade for you but i don't think it worth the dkp you will spend for it.

Comentado por foam

Posted by EJ rogue theorycrafter Aldriana:

On the topic of Black Bruise: at this point I'm pretty much convinced that it obeys the "standard" melee proc behavior - all white attacks and strikes, no poisons or other procs trigger it. It does appear to proc off both weapons, though the small sample size of most of the one-weapon tests I've received makes it hard to be certain. Some long (10k+ autoattacks) parses with no OH, poisons, or specials would be helpful as confirmation.

All that said: my suspicion is what we'll find is that it does in fact proc off both weapons, with a 3% proc rate. And should we find that to be the case, my early estimates indicate that it'll be... "pretty good". By which I mean: the proc is worth just slightly more than the stats on an a weapon of equal ilvl, making it "pretty good" as a fist - as in, regular Black Bruise does appear to be better than Heroic Abom Knuckles.

I should add, however, that it's still limited by the fact that, well, it's a fist. As such, it does cause significant crit cap issues at high gear levels, which one must work around. And they *can* be worked around, and it *is* possible to put together competitive gear sets with it... they do tend to wind up a bit behind sword/axe setups overall. Not by a lot, mind you - it's by no means bad - but if we're talking about what is, strictly speaking, "bsst in slot", so far sword/axe setups still appear to get the nod.

source: http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t39136-combat_mutilate_spreadsheets_updated_3_3_a/p103/#post1527202

Comentado por Blackbear

As an enhancement shaman, it makes up about 3% of my damage on Festergut/Deathbringer. Is this phenomenal? No, but I do feel that it is superior to any current alternative.

Comentado por Tempri

This thing just does NOT want to drop. Sixth time Festergut has died, sixth time it has not dropped. I'm convinced that Blizzard loves to see that damn hunter/feral druid staff drop before any other weapon. I'll get heroic 10 weps before this thing ever gets close to dropping.

Comentado por 499984

This is in my opinion a very attractive weapon model.

Comentado por 490086

Imo this is an enhancement shaman only weapon... It would be stupid for a rogue to bid on this when there is the sword from saurfang that is a much better choice. And also when ur at this gear lvl you will be at or very close to the crit cap and with fist weapon spec you will get even more crit which is only a waiste... rogues should pass this to enhancement shamans

Comentado por Battou

So now is this a good weapon for enh shaman or should i stick to a 258 ilvl weap?
Cause since i saw it i've wanted it so badly but with your comments now i feel it would be a waste of points.

Comentado por im0rtel

A misfortunate choice for a enhancement shaman. Any mace lev 251+ is above this. If you see it drop dont get it , blizzard really missed it with this one.

Comentado por Battou

Is this better than Soqueira da Abominação?
I've always been pretty curious about the chance on hit proc in black bruise, dunno if the stats and socket from the Abomination Knuckles are better than black bruise chance on hit.

Comentado por 569160

After extensive testing (on both bosses and Heroic Training Dummies), I can safely say that this weapon is worth while. I am a combat rogue (used to be HnS spec) the Hack and Slash would give roughly 2.9-3.1 of my total DPS using a 251 MH Axe and a 264 OH axe. With this weapon and a 245 OH dagger, my DPS has gone up by approx 350, and the overall % of the buff "Necrotic Plague" is 3.5-3.8%. The proc is very nice, though I'm not sure how much it is. I don't run spreadsheets, I use actual in game testing to try out my new gear :P

I just wish it was as good looking as my 2 axes :(

Comentado por 400721

For Enhancement Shaman with approx 264 iLvl gear across the board, you can consider the proc on this weapon to be worth approximately 400 atk power. This puts it very close to all of the other 2.6 swing speed iLvl 264 axes, fists and maces.

Comentado por asloversgo

Amen! That's one of my favorite Fist Weapons yet.. half a cool point behind crimson steel cuz it's green is just the wrong green...

I know a lot of fist-weapons that look better...

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