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Comentado por Naquadah

Drops from Mimiron hard mode in Ulduar 25-man.

Comentado por 256319

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=45484 is VASTLY better and much easier to get for combat rogues. Shamans wouldn't want this either because of it's fast speed, so it's pretty much a hunter stat junk item if they really want it despite better hunter melee weapons being out there.

Comentado por Shoat

I will never understand you rogues and your desire to shard stuff because of a 0.1s speed difference...

This Item has more total Attack Power, ArP instead of Haste and a better socket, compared to your Bladetwister.
It's ridiculous to state that it's "VASTLY" worse then bladetwister because of the 1.50<->1.40 speed difference.

Comentado por Ubran

How would punching someone in the face with a dragon's nose hurt? It doesn't even have any sharp pointy objects to make em bleed! I can imagine seeing a gnome rogue punch someone with this, then see the target fall over saying it tickled. (especially if the dragon sticksits tongue out when you punch em with it!)

Comentado por Tsarnkoth

It's like they made a fist weapon for the Flametongue Weapon mechanics before the 3.1 patch, and then nerfed Flametongue without telling the Ulduar design team.

Comentado por PessimiStick

At least it's better now in 3.2 for Orcs. =D

Comentado por SentinelBorg

Useless weapon, as most rogues will be using the superior Bladetwister in the long run. If Blizzard would just change it to 2.7 speed, Enhancement shamans would also have access to a hardmode offhand weapon. ^^

Comentado por Fishbeans

You don't understand because you don't understand Rogue mechanics. You see a tiny 0.1 speed difference. Rogues see a huge reduction in the energy they generate and Deadly Poison falling off more often and taking longer to stack up. 30 AP isn't close to worth 0.1 weapon speed. For some concrete numbers, see below.

In a 5 minute fight, you will swing 280 times with a 1.5 speed offhand and 100% SnD uptime. A 1.4 speed offhand will swing 300 times. That's 20 swings, 20% chance to gain 20 energy, or 80 energy. That's exactly two Sinister Strikes. My average SS damage according to my most recent WWS from the last raid was 2978.5 (would be a bit higher if I had a Saronite Dragon instead of Masticator). Since we've already said the fight was 5 minutes long, we just multiply that by two and divide by the fight time in seconds to get the DPS increase, just from the extra SSes and not counting the CPs and cycle improvements. It comes out to 19.86. Now, again taken from WWS, I do an average of 111 SSes over a 5 minute fight. The DT has 10 additional attack power (both socketed with +16 Agi). So, we can calculate its bonus damage and thus DPS.

Sinister Strike: (10 / 14 * 2.4) * 1.04 * 1.10 * 1.15 == 2.25
Eviscerate: 10 * .15 == 1.5
Rupture: 10 * .24 == 2.4

So, with that same number of 111 SSes, we get 249.75 damage increase from Sinister Strike. Let's say we do 20 Eviscerates, that's 30 damage. With an equal number of Ruptures, that's 48 more damage. This is obviously a low estimate, because we didn't factor crit, so let's increase all of these by 100% (which is obviously a high estimate, but it will serve a purpose). That gives us the following damage increases:

Sinister Strike: 500 damage
Eviscerate: 60 damage
Rupture: 96 damage
Total: 656
DPS: 656/300 == 2.19 DPS

White damage can be calculated as DPS directly. For the MH, it's 10 / 14. For the OH, it's 10 / 14 * .75
MH == .71
OH == .54

So, the total DPS increase given by the DT is 2.19 + .71 + .54, or 3.44. So, the obviously high estimate says that the weapon you claim is better provides only 17.3% of the DPS increase as the accepted best weapon. Not only that, but we didn't factor in all the damage increase from the extra energy in Bladetwister.

But, we could have avoided all that math if you simply understood stats in regard to Rogues. Total AP on an item isn't its measure of worth. The simplest method is using either AEP or similar weighted EP scale. My spreadsheet happens to print out my weighted EP values, so let's compare the weapons using that. Here are the EP values.

Agility: 2.02
AP: 1
Crit: 1.67
Hit: 1.29
Expertise: 1.56
Haste: 1.49
Armor Penetration: 1.88

So, let's quantify the value of each weapon's stats. The DT will use a Deadly Monarch Topaz and the BT will use a Delicate Scarlet Ruby.

DT: 43 Agi, 39 Crit, 94 AP, 37 ArPen == 315.55
BT: 71 Agi, 28 Crit, 37 Haste, 64 AP == 309.31

So, the items are nearly identical as far as stats are concerned. The actual difference is on the order of 6.2 AP, not even the 10 we used to calculate the above numbers. The bottom line is that Delirium's Touch is strictly inferior to the Bladetwister, and you don't understand how Rogues work.

Comentado por PDonz

20% chance to gain 20 energy, or 80 energy.

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=35548

you don't understand how Rogues work.

:)

Your EP chart is pretty close, but ArP is a bit low, optimal set-ups / specs give it a greater value (under the cap). You still got the point that DT is better than BT stat-for-stat, though. However, you can forget your napkin math. It's too difficult to factor everything in when comparing two items as close as these are. For example, you forgot Killing Spree damage. Just play around with a spreadsheet and see which item is better for you. Right now, in full BiS gear and the optimal spec, I have DT at ~9 overall dps higher than BT.

Comentado por 404088

im sure this is a Night Elf Wep Design

Comentado por Coconutshells

why is this seemingly the only ulduar 25 man hard mode item that isn't 252 item level?

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217 - 421 de dano	Velocidade 1.50

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+40 Agilidade
+61 Vigor

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Bônus de Engaste: +4 Taxa de Acerto Crítico

Durabilidade 75 / 75

Requer Nível 80
Aumenta em 2210 o poder de ataque quando em forma de Felino, Urso, Urso Hediondo e Luniscante.
Equipado: Aumenta em 31 a taxa de acerto crítico.
Equipado: Aumenta em 107 o poder de ataque.
Equipado: Aumenta em 42 a penetração em armaduras.

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