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Comment by kaztal

Clicking the proc suggests 20% proc chance. Very decent to say the least.

Comment by 121888

Some of the bosses in Naxx share specific drops with eachother, I got mine from Grobbulus.

On a sidenote this one can proc from the Major Glyph of Holy Light, it can also proc off of Seal of Light procs but not Judgement of Light.

Comment by Makela

45 second internal cooldown.

Can proc on most direct heals including:
Chain heal hits
CoH hits
PoM hits

As Tapioka pointed out, it can only proc once between cooldowns.

Expect a healing increase of 1-3% in a mix of 200-213 gear.

Comment by 64646

Can anyone confirm if this procs off of hots such as Lifebloom, Wild Growth, Rejuv?

Comment by 258572

When face to Sapphrion, I cast CH every time with CH & EL Weapon Glyph.

Recount shows: CH82% EL15% Talisman3%

Comment by 86526

The HoT is quite effective but due to the internal cooldown isn't very useful for multi-target heals, since the HoT will often be wasted on a target that isn't likely to take immediate further damage and need the extra healing. In my opinion the trinket will be most useful for someone who is typically dedicated to tank healing, where the HoT will seldom be wasted.

Comment by 14183

Does this proc when using lifeblood?

Comment by 151627

Pretty nice trinket for resto shamans, will definitely try to get it. Chain heal + Earthliving weapon + this trinket + HS totem, hmmm, we pretty much learnt how to HoT :O

Comment by 93467

rumors going about that this procs on earth shield procs, if that is the case... this would be a VERY good healing trinket for resto pvp(over the use +health for 15 sec trinkets at least.)

Comment by 223424

45 second internal cooldown.

Comment by 70627

Limited experience with this trinket (just got tonight) shows it's pretty poor proc rate with CoH.

Comment by 263334

I'm getting 1-2% of my total healing done from this trinket. I'm liking it so far.

Comment by mythology

Does it work with HOTs?

Comment by karlusdavius

considering the tooltip says "Direct" i doubt it. This would be a Tank healers trinket. Paladins and Disc Priests a like will be after it. The spell power alone is enough but the Added HoT is very nice. However it would be interesting to see if its affected by talents. but i doubt it

Comment by 253228

It will proc from regrowth, but not rejuv, wild growth, or lifebloom. Thus, probably not the best option for the majority of druid specs. Consider the stacking spellpower trinket from 25 man Sartharion https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40432 instead.

Comment by Meesterjojo

This will proc with nearly any non-hot healing effect.

If you have the Power Word: Shield glyph, it will proc.
It will proc off PoM.
It will proc off CoH.
It will proc at a rate of ~12% for any heal from our experiences per recap (recount=lawl)

This thing drops like crazy cakes, so don't get all QQ if you don't get it the first 10 times in Naxx 25. The only thing I've seen that drops more is Seized Beauty.

Just for the +spellpower alone it's a worthy healing upgrade till something sweeter comes along, and a debatable replacement for your Egg trinket if you're not into buffing +haste.

This would be super great for a Pally, imo, but with Priests raid healing, this is an equal win-win.

Comment by Grizlor

In beta, the HoT effect got +10% from Purification. Not sure if they made it so it doesn't on live, but sort of an added bonus.

Comment by DBPTWG

Not sure if this has been posted, but my combat log is showing an average tick of 982, for a total amount of 3928 (4 ticks). The tooltip value is 3572, and with more and less spell power, it's giving me 3928 every time.

Edit: Looks like I don't read before I post. Seems to be the result of Purification :)

Comment by Nummie

Trinket does proc off Earth Shield.

Comment by 70937

This is an excellent item. It is not however affected by normal spell power. While it's good for a paladin, they've got nothing to buff up the heal that it offers.

I still love mine though. Even with a 45 second internal cooldown, it's one of the finest healing trinkets a holydin can find.

Comment by 27462

It procced on a lifeblooms bloom for me today. Unfortunatly it was a lifebloom cast on myself, so i am wondering if anyone has seen it proc on lifeblooms targeted at other players? I haven't.

Also it seems to need an actual effective heal to proc, I spam regrowth like crazy just before it is time for Loatheb's shield to weaken and it has never procced during the shield for me.

Comment by 286942

actually i have this on my druid, and it does proc from regrowth, the final heal from lifebloom, and swiftmend. the only thing it doesnt proc off of is rejuvenation.

edit: so i was playing around with rejuv with my friend today, with it being the only spell i was casting and this trinket happend to proc off one of the ticks. not sure if it was a random fluke or if not, but it did proc off my rejuv.

Comment by 216888

I've had mine procc off my Beacon of Light, oddly enough. If I have my beacon up on someone, and they get healed from me healing someone else, the trinket sometimes proccs on the beacon'd person instead of the person who initially got healed.

Comment by 278255

Does anyone know if the HoT from this effect stacks with the 4 piece bonus of resto druid's t7?

Comment by 300350

I have this on my resto shaman and it's not all that great.

It DOES proc off Earth Shield which is easy on the mana for less healing intensive fights, but due to the 45 second cooldown it's pretty terrible for raid healing. 90% of the time it procs off a chain heal bounce on a hunter pet or lock who just Life Tapped. Another thing that makes this terrible is it procs off Ancestral Awakening, which causes the proc to be wasted.

TL:DR? As a shaman it's great for heroic healing but ^&*! for raid healing. Grab Embrace of the Spider or Soul of the Dead unless you're primarily tank healing that fight. (Even then I mainly use my Egg/Soul combo).

Comment by Draconax

Anyone know the approx. chance to proc on this baby? I'm assuming its fairly high with a 45 sec CD.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's 20%.

Comment by 164283

Just got this on my priest earlier today and then ran many heroics / the rest of Naxx25. What I found is that, if it procs off CoH (and there's an EXTREMELY high chance it will if the internal CD is done) I get the HoT buff from the trinket 100% of the time, not any of the people I had healed with CoH. I'm petitioning a GM tomorrow to see if this is a glitch or not, might be new with 3.0.8.9? Can any other priests comfirm this?

Edited for clarity.

Comment by Carnorus

Divine Plea does not effect the HoT effect on this trinket if you cast Divine Plea AFTER the trinket procs. If you cast Divine Plea before the trinket procs your HoT will only hit for ~715.

Comment by 254208

Has anyone tried this on warlocks? i guess if the emblem healing trinket works on locks.. this might work as well

Comment by 317393

I just got this on my Druid. I can confirm that it do proc on Swiftmend but not for the last(final) tick on Lifebloom. I find that strange because the last tick should count as a direct heal. When I say "should" I base my conclusions on the fact that the final tick can crit unlike a "normal" HoT tick. It's also shown as a direct heal when it lands on the target even when the target got full hp, which makes it count as overhealing, the normal HoT ticks don't.

As far as I have seen, the proc works with Regrowth, Nourish, Healing Touch and Swiftmend.

So Blizzard stop fooling around and make my trinket act like it should do! :D

Comment by Welune

From http://www.wowwiki.com/Vampiric_Embrace:

The healing effect is treated as a healing spell when applied to party members. Therefore, paladins will gain mana as well as health from the effect of this spell through Spiritual Attunement.

So how about Vampiric Embrace - will heals from it trigger trinket proc?

Comment by 304203

Nice trinket, got it on my priest a couple days ago, dropped from heroic Harvester.

I've noticed it procs on Holy Nova and Prayer of Healing but the HoT always seems to land on me, and only me, even if I'm healing others within the same group. Sweet pile of spellpower though!

Comment by dingbot1

Used this through an entire Naxx 10 run on my shaman. It accounted for just over half of Ancestral Awakening.
The proc may seem a little weak, but it's free and the spellpower on it is pretty good.
I use a Illustration with it.

Comment by 167903

Beautiful for a Holy Paladin. Since we only have direct healing spells. And Glyph of FoL has been changed.

Comment by 165602

Since resto druids changes in 3.1, we'll be casting direct heals a lot more (blizzard is really pushing nourish) thus making this trinket quite nice also for trees.

I'm sure someone on Elitist Jerks will be testing this trinket.

Comment by 360252

**RESTO DRUID**

My guild wouldn't let me have this trinket because they didn't know if a druid could proc it. I just got it 3 days ago. I'll tell you that regrowth and nourish both proc the trinket. As regrowth has an initial direct heal then goes to hot, and nourish well its direct, as is healing touch.

Resto Druids can use this trinket. There is a 45 second internal cooldown. Direct healers, priests, paladins, shamans will give you a hard time over this trinket. Just tell them to stuff it and take it. You can make this trinket proc just as much as them, don't let them BS you.

Comment by Eagleshadow

**RESTO DRUID**
I use direct healing spells a lot! and by that i mean i nourish people like crazy :)
And after 3 full 25 man naxx cleared i can confirm that in overall healing done this trinket had almost exactly 1% role in my healing.

To further illustrate if someone doesn't get it:
let's say this was healing report for me: (the breakdown of my overall healing after whole 25naxx run, this is not real it's just example but the last line being 1% is real)
nourish:29%
lifebloom 21%
wild growth:18%
regrowth: 17%
rejuvenation 14%
Forethought Talisman 1%

In my opinion it should be buffed cause 1% is kinda lame... 2 or 3% would be decent, I'm guessing you could maybe get more than 1% healing from some spellpower or crit or whatever bonus that some other trinket could give.
111 static spellpower is nice though...

Comment by 365628

This is an exceptional pvp trinket if you are a holy pally in the 2's (or possibly 3's) bracket. The HoT is an invaluable addition to your heals, especially against CC teams. This combined with Sacred Shield adds up to a lot of mitigated/healed damage. It may not be a big heal, but due to the nature of arenas, it is always being useful.

Comment by ryguy

The HoT from this trinket does stack with the Fel Reaver's Piston. While you probably won't keep the Piston for very long, it's interesting to see the proc combination work with Shaman healing spells.

For example, Riptide, earthliving, earth shield, healing stream, and both of these HoT effects proc, you get a burst of healing from heal over time spell alone.

Comment by 365670

Data form 10 25 Nax runs this trink never amounted to more than 2% total added healing.

I'll stick with the Egg for SP and the Sundial for CS until better drops and I can actually win it.

Comment by 318094

Here's an interesting question? Does Beacon of Light benefit from this proc?

As a Holy Priest, I remember looking at this talisman and then going "Yep. This feels very much like it accommodates Holy Paladins well."

Comment by 368785

Will proc from glyph of power word: shield

Comment by 366110

I know it procs off regrowth and nourish.

My question is does it proc from living seed and druid tier 8 and 8.5 four set bonus?

I also catch a few bad comments for wearing this trinket as a druid even tho I was the only one who rolled on it and I had a blue one before hand. Could a few druids that do use it post thier opnions also please.

Comment by 381475

Does this proc off the incremental heals that Fel Armor gives? I know the Egg of Mortal Essence does.

Comment by 384121

That sounds incredible for a holy paladin, since they lack any real HoTs.

Now I just wonder how it works with glyph of Holy Light and Beacon...

Comment by 296536

I assume the HoT does not benefit from spellpower and its ticks cannot crit?

Comment by 399225

My first 25 naxx run which was a pug this droped twice and i won one of the rolls. so i have been using it alot and have found that BoL "beacon of light" does work with this trinket.

Comment by EpitaphAmantul

Interesting enough it also procs off of VE heals.

I discovered this while doing dailies as shadow and forgot to swap my trinkets

Comment by 358691

This will proc off of PWS with the glyph for the added heal. It's mostly useful for the spell power, though, for disc.

Comment by 434395

Hmm... Thrash 777 says that The Egg of Mortal Essence no longer procs from Fel Armor (first reply to first comment on the egg's page). However he says it does proc on Life Tap and Health Funnel, which is what I had in mind when I first saw this. =)

Reading further on said page shows conflicting results. Multiple confirmations for Life Tap but mixed results for Fel Armor/Synergy... but all from posts made on patch 3.08/3.09. Given how awesome this item would be if it affected every "healing" spell Warlocks get, I'm skeptical.

Quoted by Ferel on 02/20/2009 (Patch 3.0.9) regarding Forethought Talisman - Spell :

it says direct healing spells, so no. only the spells that cause healing immediately when the spell finishes casting will proc this. spells that both heal and apply a HoT can only proc the effect on the initial heal, not the HoT or its "ticks".

If this is true, it would explain why some say Fel Armor doesn't proc... since it could only happen immediately upon casting the spell, and then only if you weren't at 100% health. Regardless, this is definately NOT useless for Warlocks even if it only procs on Life Tap and Health Funnel... for very obvious reasons. Not that i'd suggest the Warlock get rights to this item over a Healer... >=P

This is coming from the mind of a Demo Lock looking at solo gear options. Trinkets with Haste/Hit/Crit would be preferable in a raid/pvp situation, duh.

Comment by 125795

3572 is the heal, how much mana would we spend to heal the same amount? I ask on behalf of druids.

if we compare to a Nourish that heals for 10k at the cost of 683mana, thats 14.65health per mana, or 0.0683mana per health.

so.. a 3572 heal should cost about 244mana
thats 244mana saved per 60secs(int CD + some secs for it to proc), and that equals 20mp5

MP5 trinkets for druids(sorted by mp5 ofc):
250mp5 Spark of Hope +20.5 spellpower
80mp5 Soul Preserver +75 spellpower
75mp5 Darkmoon Card: Greatness +39 spellpower
72mp5 Figurine - Sapphire Owl
70mp5 Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon
70mp5 Majestic Dragon Figurine +37spellpower
69mp5 Living Ice Crystals
67mp5 Tears of the Vanquished
66mp5 Show of Faith +140 spellpower
60mp5 Spark of Life +73 haste rating
57mp5 Binding Light +68 spellpower
55mp5 Spirit-World Glass +29 spellpower
54mp5 Energy Siphon +68 spellpower
53mp5 Sif's Remembrance +110spellpower
39mp5 Valonforth's Remembrance +10 spellpower
36mp5 Winged Talisman +58 spellpower
34mp5 Je'Tze's Bell +106 spellpower
33mp5 Soul of the Dead +2% crit
32mp5 Talisman of Resurgence +100 spellpower
29mp5 Talisman of Troll Divinity +15 spellpower
28mp5 Cannoneer's Morale +47 spellpower
27mp5 Pandora's Plea +136 spellpower
26mp5 Memento of Tyrande +62 spellpower
25mp5 Darkmoon Card: Illusion +100 spellpower
21mp5 Bangle of Endless Blessings +5 spellpower
20mp5 Forethought Talisman +111 spellpower
12mp5 Futuresight Rune +68 spellpower

Comment by 125795

Spellpower trinkets for druids:
200 spellpower Illustration of the Dragon Soul
140 spellpower Show of Faith +66mp5
136 spellpower Pandora's Plea +27mp5
125 spellpower Eye of the Broodmother +1.9%crit
111 spellpower Forethought Talisman +20mp5
111 spellpower Titan-Forged Rune of Audacity
110 spellpower Sif's Remembrance +53mp5
106 spellpower Je'Tze's Bell +34mp5
100 spellpower Darkmoon Card: Illusion +25mp5
100 spellpower Talisman of Resurgence +32mp5
98 spellpower Embrace of the Spider +92haste rating
98 spellpower The Egg of Mortal Essence +92haste rating
93 spellpower Forge Ember +1.59%crit
75 spellpower Soul Preserver +80mp5
68 spellpower Binding Light +57mp5
68 spellpower Energy Siphon +54mp5
68 spellpower Futuresight Rune +12mp5
63 spellpower Redeemer's Alchemist Stone
62 spellpower Memento of Tyrande +26mp5
59 spellpower Mercurial Alchemist Stone +50haste rating
58 spellpower Winged Talisman +36mp5

Comment by Zakton

Yo Dawg we heard you like healing, so we put heals on your heal gear so you can heal while you heal.

Comment by 160954

Druids don't spam Nourish, making this trinket sub-par for them. This is a throughput trinket. Calculating any mp5 for it is retarded.

Comment by 125795

Comment by priesti

Does not proc off glyph of power word: shield in wotlk classic, bugged?

Comment by Giru

Is it worth replacing Sapphire Owl for Forethought Talisman for a Holy Paladin? I like the extra healing and spell power but im not sure if its worth the high intelect of the Owl.

Comment by WoofsharK

After extensive testing, I have confirmed this does NOT proc on Penance. Very unfortunate considering this is a direct heal by any reasonable definition.

Comment by Henderman

The buff name is "Forethought Talisman"
And its hidden

Comment by Angronn

I play on a 3.3.5 private server (Warmane) and have been brainstorming a self healing warrior build. I have noticed that sometimes, usually with foreign buffs applied to me, my healing pots can sometimes crit. Does anyone know if this trinkets HoT procs from healing potion use?

Also as another part of the build I plan to use Bryntrolls and experimenting with Blood Draining, Lifeward, Battlemaster, and also Blade Ward enchants, and wonder if any of these healing sources proc this trinket.

Thanks for the info if you got the knowledge♡♡♡♡♡
On another note, this could be broken for death knights from a passing thought....

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Forethought Talisman

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Item Level 213
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Requires Level 80
Equip: Increases spell power by 111.
Equip: Your direct healing spells have a chance to place a heal over time on your target, healing 3572 over 12 sec. (Proc chance: 20%, 45s cooldown)

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