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Commento di 15777

Moroes is the gatekeeper mob for Karazhan. It is fairly difficult. Practice and experience will be the key to taking him out.

Moroes is found in the Dining Hall. He will have 4 adds with him that are randomly selected. It is not necessary to kill all 4 before Moroes, but it is advisable to kill as many as possible and shackle the rest. Current strategy is to kill at least 2 and at most 3 of the adds and the order of which they are killed is determined prior to the fight.

The males are usually melee classes while the females are usually casters. The usual strategy is to shackle the male and kill the females first. If your raid lacks priests, have a Paladin Turn Undead, a Hunter Frost Trap, or an off tank handle the adds.

The fight will consist of 4 of these 6 adds arranged in (my) preferred kill order:
Lady Catriona Von’Indi: Holy Priest
Lord Robin Daris: Mortal Strike Warrior (this guy can single handedly wipe the party if left unchecked)
Baroness Dorothea Milstipe: Shadow Priest
Lady Keira Berrybuck: Holy Paladin
Baron Rafe Dreuger: Protection/Retribution Paladin
Lord Crispin Ference: Protection Warrior

Moroes is not a timed fight in the traditional (enrage) sense. However, he does have the ability Garotte where it will put a 500 physical damage BLEED dot on a player that lasts for 5 minutes. This can be removed with Stoneform, Luffa, Divine Shield, Ice Block, or dying. Typically, a raid can sustain up to around 3 bleeders after which the healers will start to feel the strain. It is important to kill Moroes before the bleeding overwhelms the healers.

Moroes will occasionally vanish during the fight. When it reappears it will return to player with the highest aggro. Moroes himself is not exceptionally difficult, but the combined effort of controlling his adds within a short period of time and the increasing urgency of players bleeding all over the carpet makes this fight very intense.

Moroes will enrage when its health falls below 30% and this ability cannot be tranquilized.

Commento di 7458

I as a rogue have kept the lufa in my bank since i love using it while dueling warriors ! I knew it would come handy one day :)

Commento di 21919

His blind can be dispelld.
Frostmage's Water Elemental ranged Frost nova is great for pulling.
Had the tank and 2 priests standing at my position in front of the boss and in 30m range to him an both near adds. Got elemental and used frostnove same second when tank shooted the boss, all 4 adds in frostnova, boss running to the tank. Priests have 8 sec to cage the adds, hunter to pull into trap and offtank to get to his add and gain aggro.

Commento di 22009

Btw: DON'T FEAR THE ADDS! =D
They can fear out of the room and the fight will reset.

Commento di 21912

On our first atempt so far we had 2 priests and 2 shadowpriests so we shackled all the adds.. worked really well but then MT got blind/gouged etc and we wiped.. but with alittle more practise i think that will be a rather good way of killing him

Commento di annick

His blind is a 'poison' effect.

Commento di darkreigner

Dwarf rogue ftw! Stoneform is the best racial for alliance since it can be used in so many situations. Dwarf tanks can SF out of blind and garrote, so they will be the better tanks in terms of sustainability for this fight.

Commento di 12515

Noticed this yesterday: One of our mages tried Detect Magic on Moroes and we noticed that he was buffed with Blessing of Might. This buff wasn't on him on pull, so I believe that his adds actually buff him/other adds when not in CC'd. A bit after vanish this buff was always re-applied. Note that vanish will also wipe all debuffs on him.

So if you have time, apply Detect Magic to see buffs and dispel them.

Commento di 24335

Would cleaning with the power of lemon work for the bleed ?

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=5951

Commento di 15939

Depending on the particular group of adds you get, its not a bad idea to use amplify magic on the raid. Effectively the healers gain an extra +240 healing (if the mage buffing doesn't have the magic attunement talent.) The extra healing makes a noticeable difference in keeping the garrote in check.

The only danger of course is the offensive caster adds, but they're generally removed from the equation quickly enough to be worth it.

Commento di 27741

Regarding the bleed effect from the Garrote...
is a good thing, u get it by a quest from Hansel @ Seering
Gorge flight path with the quest
"Incendosaurs whateverosaurs..."
(just kill 20 of those and youre done, quest is like lvl 49.
Only risk is that you have gotten it before but vendored it
(icon looks like woolcloth ;) )

Commento di 17601

A good geared tank can prevent gouge by dodging, parrying etc.

We use a rogue or 2 on the boss next high on aggro list after the tank. So they are ready to evasion tank when the MT gets gouged. When tank gets it back, the rogue used evasion, vanishes to prevent one-shot death on next gouge.

Commento di 16731

you can COMPLETELY remove the gouge issue from the fight. anyone who has played a rogue knows that gouge is a frontal attack, so whoever is tanking morose turns as far as they can sideways while still being able to attack and they wont be gouged.

Commento di ChillingOut

A small tip!

If it looks like your raid is going to wipe, you can run out of Moroes room and he will reset normally as soon as you are in the next room. He did chase our tank down though and kill him, then another member ran into the ghost patrols out there, but oh well :)

If you don't all want to wipe and save a bit of cash and some buffs, run out of his room and reset him.

Commento di Gull

You can also Slow Moroes, not really mana efficient, but it does help if your healers are getting low on mana.

Commento di s3bbz0r

Moroes needs to be killed if you want to do the Stage event. Sadly we didn't know in the raid. :(

Commento di 32704

I know this seems to be a stupid question but would Shadowstep or even Cheat Death help with Garrote, Shadowstep maybe to reduce aggro and Cheat Death well to i guess to cheat death.....
All responses are welcome..Thank you.

Commento di 29707

I have spent some time theorycrafting on this fight to try and help, and there are alot of strategies that can potentially help.

Heres something that should help the priests. There is a function called /focus. you target your ghost you shackle and type /focus. Then set up a macro /cast shackle undead. This way you can always shackle your ghost without having to ever change target. You can do a shackle inbetween heals on a tank.

This is one however I have not tested so please refute this if you have tried, Limited Invulnerability Potions (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=3175) could be used as a preventative measure to stop garrotes

Every time Moroes vanishes, it means hes going to garrote someone when he reappears. So while he is vanished a raid uses these potions and they are then invulnerable to the garrote (immune). Only drawback is that this shares a cool down with mana potions on the other hand you only have 3 to 4 garrotes per fight and this would relieve healers. Again though this is all theory, if anyone tests this and can tell me if it works tell me. A raid would have to know how long he is vanished though to know to do this, since it only lasts 6 seconds.

Commento di 8199

I've been told you can have melee tank the caster adds because the do very little melee damage and can be locked down by stuns or interrupts. The sword and board warriros can then be OT during the fight since he is doing relatively little damage. It is also important to note HP levels. The warriors have a lot moe HP than the other classes so often they are best to CC just to save time as the garrotes will get to you after time.

Commento di 35237

This is a simple fight that requires quick reactions from your CC classes.

The MT makes the pull by shooting one of his adds. They then move Moroes to the end of one of the tables where he is tanked. Healers and ranged dps stands in the middle of the table. We use 2 priests with /focus macros to keep 2 of the adds (the prot tank, dps warrior, or holy paladin) shackled the entire fight. A hunter pulls one of the caster adds (usually the holy priest) into a trap. I (a rogue) pulls the shadow priest or other add to a feral druid in bear form. We use a druid like this because the adds do a fair amount of dmg to leather and healers need all the mana they can get for the garrotes later.

The add I pulled to the druid is killed 1st, followed by the hunter CC'd add. After that dps is focused on Moroes. The feral druid (wearing healing gear before the fight starts) switches out of form and is in charge of healing the people that get garroted with mainly hots and small heals.

By this time Moroes has usually vanished once and the tanks have had plenty of time to both generate a fair amount of aggro. From there dps opens up on Moroes as hard as it can and it's a race to kill Moroes before the garrotes kill us.

We also use a shaman in the dps group for bloodlust and to quickly dispel the blind (as an above poster said, your MT can get gouged and the OT can be blinded in rapid succession, this usually ends in a wipe).

Commento di 27385

Some tips that help my raid bring down Moroes.

1) Why find out that the most serious problem was that our healers get out of mana near the end of the fight even thought we have a restoration shaman using mana tide and all healers using mana pots when they have cd.so its good if you manage to kill the two adds (we always keep 2 adds sacled tiil the end) without healers spend too mauch mana..so they have it for later when people start bleeding..3 dps class...a frost mage , a rogue using crippling poisons and a hunter can be able to kill the two add you will select to kill first kite them around the middle table without needed to much heal from healers..

2) About the bleeding thing that actually is the hardest thing in this fight...we found a nice trick that work well since the only one that can remove it in our raid was a frost mage.(we are horde so unfortuntly no stoneform for us) so ...ppl get bleeding no matter what class they are..healer range dps etc..all gather near moroes..i mean near the tank..and with our two restoration shamans spam! chain healing all of them take an amount of heal good enough so they dont die..the two priest we have keep always the two adds sacled and they renew ppl bleeding..and ofcourse renew in the tank actually this system with chain healings and renews works very well..

The whole raid was ...MT,OT,two priest,two restoration shamans,hunter rogue,frost mage,elementary shaman...if you see we only have 4 dps in the raid but with the chain healings when ppl gather around main tank we can hold on and finish the battle with 5 or even six ppl bleeding...

Commento di 16487

As someone has mentioned before, the focus macro will make keeping your mob shackled a lot easier. A LOT easier.

/cast Shackle Undead

Target the mob you want to focus, and type /focus.

Using the macro will cause you to shackle without losing your healing target and will save a lot of time in that respect. Just thought that this all deserved a second mention.

Commento di SilverKnight

It takes some coordination to deal with Moroes, because he comes with 4 guests, which vary each raid. You need to be ready with a plan of what you will do with each guest, and people have to work together, particularly if a crowd control measure slips somehow.

Full guide on Moroes and his six guests in detail at http://www.bosskillers.com/cgi-bin/bbguild/index.cgi?action=view_guide&guide_id=19

Commento di 12394

One tip for shackling Priests who go low on mana. Be careful when using Shadowfiend, because when Moroes vanishes our "smart" pet will go attack the shackled mob (they stop if you reshackle it).

So, remember to keep an eye on your shackled target if you have to use your Shadowfiend. Or don't use it at all if you don't feel confident enough (e.g. when learning the encounter).

Commento di shaftscaliber

Hunter Point of View - Moroes Video.

No I'm not an amazing hunter but this will give other hunters an idea of what we can do on the Moroes encounter. Enjoy! :)

http://files.filefront.com/7272401

Commento di 44709

Tanked Moroes for my first time recently, and was surprised to see I was taking Critical Hits of 5k-6k (regular hits were around 3-4k).

My defense is ~510 and I was still being critically hit. I understood that staying over 490 def. negated the chance of being hit by a crit - is this simply an incorrect assumption (Is this where 'Resilience' gear would come in helpful)? Is this the 'normal' amount of damage tanks can expect to take from Moroes (I had 12.5k health / 14k armor) ?

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice!

Commento di 54090

Our Strat:

Usual Group makeup:

Prot War Tank,
Feral Druid OT,
2xHoly Priest
1x Resto Shammy/Druid
2xLock
2xFire Mage
1x Combat Rogue (me)

Shackle x2 on Melee Targets, OT 1 other....finally....the other caster....

Depending on which u get we go for the healer first...

Crippling Poison on rogue offhand....apply....follow...stunlock and dps while the locks and mages wtfpwn her down.....same again for the one being OT'd.......if they go down super fast....we take a third to be safe, then go crazy.

On the odd occasion we have a shadow priest in place of one of the locks or mages.....3rd shackle instead of OT, still take down the 3rd depending on MT's threat / how quickly the first 2 go down. GG

Commento di 57283

Emerald Ripper

Commento di tonyis3l33t

Limited invulnerability potion has changed
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=3387

it will no longer prevent gouges.

Commento di 52519

it seems that all of Moroes's adds are related to someone in Darkshire, Check the individual add names to check. This is perhaps because the Villagers of Darkshire would often visit Medivh before he went mad

Commento di 48301

Having a Shaman drop a poison cleansing totem where Moroes is being tanked takes care of the blind.

Commento di Darkicon

Our setup (Second KZ group):

2 Priests (1 Holy, 1 Shadow)
1 Shaman (Elemental)
2 Druids (1 Feral, 1 Restoration)
2 Mages (1 Fire, 1 Frost)
2 Warriors (Both Prot)
1 Hunter (Marksman)

Priests Shackle Undead the Shadow Priest and Ret Pally, Hunter Ice Trapped MS Warrior. MT tanked Holy Priest while OT tanked Moroes. Burned down the Holy Priest. MT switched to Moroes, got good aggro, then everyone unloaded on Moroes. Healed through Garrotes. MH died because he was low on health and got Garroted, BRed him. Burned down Moroes the rest of the way.

Moroes is in my opinion the hardest fight, and is a big gear check.

Priests must stay on their toes for Shackling. The MS Warrior must be stopped from running around, he will 1 shot clothies and most leathers. I do not suggest killing the MS Warrior as he does have 20,000 hp more than the others, and hits very hard. In the time it takes to burn him down another 20,000 hp, your MH might be getting Garroted.

Commento di 31978

Can anyone confirm whether Moroes is an optional boss or not? We'd like to skip him and grind straight to the Opera Event if possible, and have heard about other guilds doing this, but both Wowhead and Wowwiki report that Moroes must be killed in order for Barnes to start the Opera Event. Is this true?

Links to reports of Moroes being a required boss:

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/npc=16812

http://www.wowwiki.com/Opera_Event

Commento di 40282

Anyone have any thoughts on the garrote targeting. I have been told that it is random but I am doubtful as I have noticed the same targets getting hit in similar order in consecutive attempts. I have across 4 Moroes fights been garroted twice in a row every time.

(PS I am a dwarf hunter so it could be dps related. Also I got out of the first one with stone form.

Commento di 58516

Moroes' adds are vulnerable to Curse of Tongues, a handy technique to keep the healers busy and give you more time to interrupt.

Commento di 25850

Summary of what will remove the garrote effect and what won't

Will:
1) Paladin shields (both)
2) Iceblock
3) Death and ressurect (Soulstone, Ankh, Battleress)

Wont: (after patchnerfs)
1) Luffa
2) Limited Invulnerability potion

Commento di 28229

If your tanks are warriors a useful strategy to deal with the Garrotes is to have them Intervene the healers afte each Vanish. While healers can sustains DPS members with Garrote, it is much more difficult to sustain themselves. With Intervene up, your tanks will absorb any Garrotes meant for the healers and will be healed anyway, thus reducing strain. To do this, simply have your tanks use an Intervene macro that is keyed to each of your healers and use it as soon as Moroes Vanishes. This does add a little more stress on your tanks but can save the encounter.

Commento di bathazar

i had a semi pick up group for kara last night.. not the best group but then again not the worst... but we got moroes down to 1% health 2 times... and we wiped both... it was rediculous

Commento di Bronnix

We have our MT engage the fight and pull Moroes all the way left, we have a lock set up his imp in the spot. We have Baroness Millstipe Shackled until after we down Moroes. We have ALL Dps classes on the holy priest/pally and Dps them down ASAP! We fear the warriors, and trap the ret pally. Take down the holy priest/pally first, then the ret pally, then warriors, then we take down Moroes, then Baroness Millstipe. Moroes is a difficult fight. We have MT get as much aggro as possible and have our main healer stay with him and only him. Cross healers heal the rest of the raid while they down adds. Moroes vanishes every once in a while and casts a nasty nasty nasty garrote on a random raid members. If it is casted on a healer we get a pally to BoP them to remove a garrote, anyone else we just consistently have a HoT on them. Moroes also gouges randomly, but most of the time our MT resists it, in the case he doesnt resist it he normally goes to the person with 2nd aggro, so try and have your OT get 2nd aggro. After you down Moroes, get a little mana regen going and keep Millstipe shackled. When you got some mana just rip Millstipe apart. Have a priest just devoted to shackle, dont have him Dps any mobs just consistently recasting shackle. Difficult fight, stay focused, Good luck with the garrotes.

Bronnix-Group B-Frostwolf

Commento di Darkicon

I have found the best way to kill Moroes, if you have 2 priests and a hunter is to use this strategy.

Shackle Undead both the MS Warrior and the Prot Warrior, Ice Trap the Holy Priest. Have a rogue evasion tank the Shadow Priest and just burn her down as fast as you can, then burn down the Holy Priest and have the other priest Shackle Undead the Holy Priest, both should go down fast. This leaves you with 2 adds and 3 CCs just incase any problems arise later on.

Have your MT and OT build threat on Moroes while everyone DPS's down the 2 adds, once both are dead, everybody unload on Moroes, BUT do not pass the OT in threat. If a healer gets Garroted and you have a paladin, have him use Blessing of Protection on him/her, mages can just Ice Block out of it. If a priest gets Garroted and it cannot be dispelled and for some reason that priest dies, have your hunter take over CCing his/her add. Just burn Moroes at this point and keep extra heals on Garroted people.

I know what you're thinking, don't do it. Do not have a paladin fear an add. This is bad, we tried this. If the add gets feared out of the room, Moroes will reset. This happened to us when Moroes was at 15% and we were pissed.

Commento di 46225

As noted on all of the wowhead pages for Moroes' party members, the guests are all related to npc's in Darkshire/Duskwood.

Commento di 55952

He also uses... Deadly Throw?

We were having a long fight due to having lost a couple dps to the adds, and we were slowly burning him down. At the 10 minute mark, he hit our tank with a Deadly Throw for 5.7k damage, which pretty much killed him. If that wasn't strange enough, the tank was in melee with Moroes at the time. He was down to only around 2-3% by then, so we killed him before we got to see him use it more. After the fight, the tank looked over his combat log, and saw that Moroes had indeed hit him with Deadly Throw.

The only explanation I can think of is that he might actually have some sort of timer, and when it expires, he starts throwing.

Commento di Kathucka

Welcome to Dinner!

Moroes is the first real test of raiders. This is a dynamic, chaotic fight that requires skilled execution by all participants. It's also a gear check, especially on the damage-dealers. A single player that doesn't execute his role well can make this fight impossible to win. This fight can be a rude awakening to the difficulty of Burning Crusade raids. New raiders that have trouble here can get excellent practice and gear from running heroic-difficulty dungeons before returning and trying this again.

Moroes is a required boss. Killing him opens the Opera event and stops respawns of a large amount of trash on the way to Maiden of Virtue.

The key to this fight is all in the planning. All of the dinner guests must be managed in some way to keep them from killing the healers and damage-dealers. Every dinner guest will be shackled, trapped, off-tanked, or nuked. Each guest must be assigned to a player. The kill order must be dictated in advance. The plan must be strictly followed during the fight.

Raid Composition

Two tanks. Paladin tanks are best suited to the task, with Cleanse, Turn Undead, Blessing of Sacrifice, and Blessing of Protection.
Two or three healers. Priests are most useful for their Shackle Undead and Renew abilities. Paladins are also useful, as noted above.
Five or six damage-dealers. Shadow priests are useful, as noted above. Damage dealers that can off-tank are also useful.

The Basic Plan

Given the dynamic composition of both raid groups and the dinner party, there can be no fixed strategy. The plan must be concocted by the raid leader upon reaching this boss.

Two tanks maintain the highest threat on Moroes at all times. When Moroes gouges one, he'll start hitting the other, who will need healing.

Three of the dinner guests must be shackled, trapped, or off-tanked immediately, while the fourth one is quickly killed. The remaining guests are killed, one at a time, until all remaining guests are shackled (except possibly the protection warrior). At that point, Moroes is killed. Once he is down, the raid runs out of the room or just kills the remaining dinner guests.

Crowd Control

Shackle Undead (priest) is the best crowd control, as it can be maintained the whole fight. It should be used on dinner guests that can dispel/cleanse other traps and shackles and maintained the whole fight. The macros mentioned earlier in this page help immensely in this. Shackle Undead should be re-cast every 10 seconds to make sure that it never breaks.

Freezing Trap (hunter) can be chained to keep a dinner guest under control for a long time. However, it is not ideal, as the hunter must move around, thus losing much of his damage output. Also, it can't be re-applied easily if it breaks early, and it completely stops working if the hunter is stunned or unable to maintain threat. Finally, any dinner guest able to cast spells will do so when it is running from one trap to the next. This can break shackles and get your priest killed. Since killing the first guest quickly is so important, consider off-tanking instead of trapping, to free up the hunter to deal damage. Trapped targets should be killed before killing Moroes.

Turn Undead (paladin) can be maintained for 20 out of every 30 seconds and can't be re-applied if it breaks. It is most useful in emergencies when a trapped/shackled dinner guest gets loose. It can also be used on an off-tanked guest to relieve pressure on the off-tank. Keep away from the doors of the room when doing this, to avoid resetting the encounter.

Off-Tanking (any tank) is viable, because one of the tanks will take hits from Moroes only when the other tank is gouged or blinded. This off-tank can control one or even two dinner guests. The off-tank will require intense healing when he has Moroes.

Commento di Kathucka

(continued...)

The Dinner Guests

The holy paladin is the most disruptive dinner guest, with the ability to cleanse crowd-control, heal, and make herself invulnerable with divine protection. Since she has armor, she is the top priority for shackling, and should indeed be shackled the whole fight. If she's around and you don't have a priest, expect a really tough fight. Mass dispel can get rid of divine protection, if required.

The holy priest is also extremely disruptive, with the abilities to dispel crowd-control and to heal. She also has a damaging Holy Fire attack. She should be shackled the whole fight. If killing her is necessary, interrupt her casts, use a pet to tank her, and be prepared to re-apply shackles and Turn Undead on the other dinner guests that get loose.

The shadow priest is directly very dangerous, with an damaging Mind Flay, Mana Burn, and Shadow Word: Pain. The Mana Burn can use up a healer's entire mana pool, ruining the attempt instantly. She should not be controlled, but must be burnt down first and as quickly as possible, generally untanked. A hunter or warlock pet can tank, if available. Blow all damage-dealing cooldowns right at the beginning of the fight, to speed this up. Her spell-casts should be interrupted and silenced. Shamans should keep a grounding totem down near her. Her Shadow Word: Pain should be dispelled/cleansed by a priest/paladin.

The protection warrior should be grabbed by the off-tank early, to give him enough rage to build threat on Moroes. His disarm is annoying, and it may be a good idea to control him with Turn Undead or Freezing Trap after one or two other dinner guests are down and the off-tank has enough rage. He doesn't do a lot of damage and he can take a long time to kill, so it's not a good idea to kill him before Moroes.

The arms warrior has a very damaging Mortal Strike and Whirlwind. He can, however, be safely chain-trapped or off-tanked, so long as he doesn't run through any crowds. He should eventually be tanked and killed.

The retribution paladin has Hammer of Justice (a stun on his main target) Blessing of Might, and Cleanse. He does not appear to cast the Cleanse much. Chain-trapping him is possible, but difficult, as he will stun the hunter and take off after a healer. Off-tanking is also risky, since when he uses Hammer of Justice at the same time as Moroes uses Gouge, Moroes will kill a healer. Shamans/priests/mages should purge/dispel/spellsteal all the monsters in this fight to get rid of the blessing, especially on Moroes. Priests/paladins should dispel/cleanse the Hammer of Justice stun off of whoever gets it. He must be tanked before killing.

Shackle Priority

Holy Paladin
Holy Priest
Retribution Paladin
Arms Warrior

Kill priority (for un-shackled targets):

Shadow Priest (untanked)
Holy Priest (untanked)
Holy Paladin (tanked)
Retribution Paladin (tanked)
Arms Warrior (tanked)

Trap Priority

Retribution Paladin
Arms Warrior

Solo'd as an 80 Blood DK in honor gear on first try. Open with AoD. Focus healer first, then pally. After those two are dead, AoD should have just worn off. Keep D&D up as well as Death Strike whenever available.

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