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Commentaire de Carighan

While this might seem useless... what is the exact damage-scaling of Entangling Roots?
Being a long-lasting DoT-effect, it should scale bigtime, and if one figures in a whopping 75% boost on that, this could be kinda deadly for grinding, actually.

Not sure though - depends entirely on how much +spelldamage Entangling Roots receives.

Commentaire de 104006

Underrated, yes, but the reason this talent is often overlooked is because it's very hard for a druid to make room in his/her talents for 3 points. It's hard for a raiding boomkin to do it. It's hard for a raiding resto druid to do it. A feral druid would be insane to do it.
It's not so much that it's regarded as pure crap, it's just too inconvienient to grab for most :/

Commentaire de 97348

I agree this isn't worth getting just to increase damage from Thorns. But if you are like UrbanGypsy and use Entangling Roots a lot when grinding, it certainly makes a difference. If you're farming somewhat lower level outdoor mobs (lvl 65-68), a Starfire - Roots - Insect Swarm is enough to finish the job whilst you go around killing another mob, so you can kill 2 simultaneously without expending much mana. :)

Don't think you'll kill faster than a well-geared cat druid though - the main advantage of farming this way obviously is you can tag more mobs if there's competition in the vicinity. When I was farming clefthoof hides, combining Starfire, Hibernate, Roots and Insect Swarm meant I could tag and kill 3 beasts for myself quite easily if there was someone else farming the same spot.

Commentaire de 175623

With the supposed changes being made to this talent in WOTLK, it might be worth putting some points into it for the daze effect, even if it is just a filler talent early on

Commentaire de 160394

Any druid who has gone so far as to sacrifice a few talent points to get this to rank 3 should do their best to acquire 3 pieces of Tier 1 for the nice set bonus.

Not only does it increase thorns damage (though slightly), it increases the duration by 50%, meaning you won't have to apply it as often. Coupled with a mod like Outfitter and a nice macro, the gear change can be done almost invisibly when buffing w/ thorns.

Commentaire de 214801

Apparently on the patch test realm now, Thorns IS affected by spellpower at the moment. My untalented Thorns with around 860 spellpower is hitting for around 85 a pop. So this talent may definitely see some use if the change sticks.

Commentaire de jcdentonius

Everyone's style and equipment is unique, also there is a huge difference between raiding and soloing but lets consider this:
Exping is easy so we take base on L70 moonkin, mobs have 6k hp, you have estimatedly 500 spell dmg. If you are a resto druid, saving gold from respecs, of course you should be getting offspec spelldmg items from quests etc. Or you might be very lazy and just take healing stuff for spelldmg, our BT healer has 750 spelldmg. So 500+ is the bottom.

Simple math:
Thorns - 400 mana, 25 damage + 75% = 43 damage per hit
Entangling roots - 160 mana, 351 damge over 27 seconds = 39 dmg per 3 seconds + 75% = 68 dmg per 3 seconds

Now my situation: 800 spelldmg (easily attainable), wrath 1k, 2k crit. Thorns absolutely useless cause every mob is killed by entangling + wrath spam under 10 seconds. Thorns = 400 mana = almost 2 wraths. Even if it did 85 dmg as Heretick said, it would take 70 hits for mob to kill itself. Even if the entangling is disrupted by direct damage, mob won't hit more than 3x on moonkin armor (10k). Or you can reentangle him for small mana and time cost. So mana/dmg efficiency for soloing is absolutely out of question. And 800 spelldmg is laughable for end-BC char, more spelldmg makes the difference higher.

Also question of Moonfire for soloing. Moonfire costs 495 mana = 2 wraths. Moonfire dmg for me is cca 1000 + dot. So again - killing mobs with Moonfire is inefficient in mana and whats more important for me - time consumption. I don't want to be killing a mob for 27 seconds.

As for raid and tank - any boost for tank is usefull. But I would rather invest 3 points in Improved Faerie Fire which benefits both tank (usually with not as high hit rating) and dpsers. Good tanks on most raids don't have problem with aggro, more serious issue on raids are thousands of retards who start nuking before tank gets solid aggro. Also read once again what coredumperror wrote about evasion, kalamari03 about talents and Nafe about equip :)

Anyway I will try to experiment how spelldamage is really reflected in Thorns.

Commentaire de 157747

After doing some of the basic math, one of the best reasons to take the new talent (WOTLK version) is for the increase damage of the treants. The tree is so bloated now, there is not enough points to justify the 20 or so increase in dmg just to have better thorns. With the latest change to the talent tree, I'll only grab brambles if I take the force of nature talent (treants), since the treants would see an increase by 15% in dmg.

Commentaire de 53205

This seems to be bugged at the moment. It works fine for Thorns cast on yourself, but for Thorns you cast on other people (IE, your tank) it only reflects the base damage of the rank (IE, 25 damage for R7)

Commentaire de 203775

I really dont see why anyone WOULDNT take this talent...15% extra tree damage..more thorns..
and also to whoever said they have mob entangled...

it increase roots damage by 75% to....and you cant keep all mobs rooted all the time + its a huge help when you grab like 8 mobs and AOE them dead
I find any melee attackers taking 255 damage every time they hit me pretty damn useful, that and i love my treants

Commentaire de toastmaster7727

Roots have been alot better for PvE encounters in WoTLK because they can now be used indoors (including dungeons) and they now have a 100% chance to keep the mob rooted if no other source of incoming damage hits the mob. Keep in mind though that roots still aren't on par with any other cc like Polymorph or Shackle which prevents ALL action from the mob. Casters can still cast with roots and melee can still attack if in range. After speccing in this for lvling, Thorns got a nice damage increase (around 350-400 dmg with 1200 spell dmg at 74). I wouldn't rely on the daze effect to be a 100% kiting mechanism. I've had melees rush at me in pvp from max distance and not slow down with trees hammering away at them for quite some time. The best way to kite a rogue (yes thats right...screw you rogues), is to put up Barkskin while they are attacking you making it harder for them to get behind you. Their fast attacks proc the daze almost instantly.

Commentaire de 10128

This seems quite nice PvP wise as a resto Druid, since dazing an ennemy should help a lot.

Commentaire de 58622

As of 18April2009, the damage increase to Thorns only affects yourself and then only when you have this talent in your active spec.

So, if your offspec has Brambles and Glyph of Thorns, you may put a 60 minute Thorn buff on yourself but when you respec away from Brambles, you will cease gaining the damage bonus. It actively evaluates spellpower and talent each hit, rather than saving those stats from the time of casting.

So, to reiterate, do not purchase this talent with the sole purpose of buffing your Tank. It does not help them, only yourself. If you yourself are the Tank, spending 13 points of Balance to gain this benefit is probably not worth short changing your Feral and Resto trees.

Commentaire de 134128

Im a pvp resto druid, and i find these talents especially usefull. I get targeted alot as a tree runing around healing. So doing more dmg to attackers helps my dps kill them faster plus dazing them as I cheetah form run away really helps with survivability. I have the Glyph for extended roots so every min some one is gettin trapped by my Nature's Grasp spell (when I am being attacked) and usually are dead by the time they catch up to me thanks to the dps im healing. After using it I think its a must for any pvp resto druid imo. Also if you include Improved Barkskin I just pop it and dot heal myself and if I'm low on mana I pop innervate with the talents in Subtley Druids have (for 20 seconds) a 90% chance to not have spells dispelled with a 30% reduction in dmg taken your easily surviving that tough spot your in while healing all your dps players awsell. Your sacrifising natures grace (20% spell casting speed for 3 seconds when you ctrit with a spell) but in the bg's standing still casting imo is the worst way to heal as a druid. Using your dot's to heal is by far the better way to stay alive and get in range to heal your teamates. Toss in a regrowth when you can and your dps will never die in most circumstances.

Commentaire de 102865

I'm confused. People talk about this talent being nerfed, how exactly? Tyveron's comment got downrated with 1, so it's 0. I'm not relying on that one.

Feel free to downrate this one, when I/we get the answer.

To get an answer, we need a question:

Thorns basedamage is 75. 3/3 Brambles-talent gives 75% dmg to Thorns. If I give Thorns-buff to a warrior, will the Thorns tick for: a) 75x75%+MySpellpower, b)75x75%, or c)Only 75?

Commentaire de 125795

(..)damage is set when the spell is cast, so casting while under trinket effects(..)

Tnx, thats very handy to know. As a Boomkin I use 2/3 brambles, and with Abyssal Rune and Mithril Pocketwatch proccing at the same time, I get close to 4k spelldmg. I now know that I need to buff the tank when I get those two procs at the same time, thanks alot.
Edit: according to recount addon, the thorns I put up on the tank(paladin) on a heroic boss did min 346dmg, avg 393dmg and max 484dmg over 15 hits, and turned out to be 6% of the tanks dmg on that boss.

Commentaire de Lonestarr1337

Sickest talent in the game, by far.

Commentaire de 579769

Brambles rule, why? Daze!

1. Any idea how annoying that is? Drop trees, Moonfire, Insect swarm, Typhoon him away and hide behind a pillar or anywhere... and drop Starfall. (in Arena be careful with Typhoon and Starfall since it will break CC)

2. If he gets close for some reason (Charge, Death Grip), just walk away... you're twice as fast because of the daze :).

What about Rogues? They vanish as soon as you throw your trees out, making them useless!
True. But the 75% Thorns bonus is a nice extra against those pesky Rogues in case they attack. With Glyph of Barksin and Moonkinform which gives a bonus damage reduction when stunned you DO have a chance!

No, it's not a winning talent, but I do believe it has it's use :)

Commentaire de Thottbot

Will have items with plus to nature damage add to thorns for each hit?

Commentaire de Thottbot

ok talent if you feel you got talent points to spare, unfortunetly this is usually not the case and there are alot of better talents to put points into.

Commentaire de Thottbot

Umm its boom because of a moonkins great burst dps so people substute boom for moon (that and moonkin sounds stupid)

Commentaire de Thottbot

This ability seems like a terrible idea for outdoor pvp...my roots only last like three seconds before the damage caused by this ability breaks the spell...seems like id be better off without, probably gonna respec b/c of this..any thoughts?

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Les dégâts infligés par vos Epines et Sarments sont augmentés de 75% et les attaques de vos Tréants sont augmentées de 15%. De plus, les dégâts infligés par vos Tréants et les attaques avec Ecorce activé ont 15% de chances d'hébéter la cible pendant 3 sec.

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