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Commentaire de Thottbot

Used to be +34 dmg or something. Kinda dissapointing now. Huh...

Commentaire de Thottbot

still gonna get that for my pally.

dude, 2% spell crit. that's still hawt.

Commentaire de Thottbot

If you want 34 spell damage run MC a few times for this:

Choker of teh Fire Lord

WAY easier to get...

Commentaire de Thottbot

i think a + crit item before bc is
1) kel down, lets go pvp
2) crits scales with lvl of spell(not only spell dmg), when u have lvl 70 fire ball, 1 crit could be 20dmg

Commentaire de Thottbot

Mage lock imo

Commentaire de Thottbot

Nice, but weak for the effort you got to put to get it.
Chocker is a little bit weaker, but thousand time easier to get.

Commentaire de Thottbot

just wanted to know where you get this?

Commentaire de Thottbot

+2% spell crit...wow
ill never get enough DKP for this though x.x

Commentaire de Thottbot

KelThuzad, last boss in Naxxramas.

Commentaire de Thottbot

So to every1 trying to state statistics about %crit vs +damage u should clearly stop because its inacurate. heres how it works. if your a mage or a warlock then hopfully u didnt spec retardedly and u have 100% damage on crits instead of 50%. assuming this is true 1% crit = 1% of your damage. dont confuse this with what your mousing over your spell i mean what you hit for. your frostbolt says 450-500 but u hit for 950-1000 then if you hit for 1000 dmg then 1% crit=+10 spell damage.BUT if you dont have 100% on crits then 1% crit= 1/2 +damage because spells have a base of 50% on crits

Commentaire de Thottbot

moonkin! =P

Commentaire de Thottbot

Very dissapointing for an item level of 92.

Obviously, any mage would wear this necklace but i wouldn't spend dkp on it, such a miniscule sidegrade from Twin emps necklace. You're MUCH better off saving your Naxx dkp for an actual upgrade (KT staff, Saphiron trinket, wraith blade, etc)

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Where does it drop Naxxramas?

Commentaire de Allakhazam

being a mage, I would not mind it going to a paladin. amulet of vek is not that bad whereas paladins would dance in joy for hours after getting this

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Uh...

Sautoir du seigneur du feu this drops off KT

Gogo caster itemization

Commentaire de Allakhazam

This is somewhat of a side grade to the Amulet of Vek'nilash as other's have mentioned, but pretty far superior to the Choker of the Firelord and here's why:

What you need to be interested in is how much +1% Spellcrit essentially is to +X Spelldamage for yourself: and this will differ from person to person.

This calculation is going to be slightly different depending on what your spell of choice & talent spec actually is. If as a Mage you are spec'd Fire and primarily tossing out Fireballs, its going to be different than if you are spec'd Frost and primarily tossing out Frostbolts. Similar mechanics apply for Warlocks and Shadowbolts. What you really want to watch is how much your average spell effect is hitting for non-crit. From that you can figure out about how much you would in rough equivalence between Spellcrit and Spelldamage.

The lower your average effect is hitting for, the less you will be getting out of +Spellcrit% comparatively. So when you start out, and have very little +Spelldamage gear, +Spelldamage is likely going to be granting you a fairly significant bonus compared to +Spellcrit%. Due to this, it is conceivable that for someone who is brand new to raiding and doesn't have a lot of +Spelldamage gear yet, the Choker of the Firelord might be a more significant upgrade than even the Gem of Trapped Innocents (yes, the Choker will probably be available to them a whole lot sooner than the Gem anyway, so this works out well) but over time this will change if you continue to upgrade your gear.

+Spellcrit% scales whereas +Spelldamage does not. In fact as you start adding in more and more +Spelldamage gear to your items, eventually some of the +Spellcrit% items you may have replaced earlier on can become more valuable to you than the lower end +Spelldamage gear you have.

A good example of something like this might be the Briarwood Reed vs the Eye of the Beast. When you start out in Raiding, particularly as a Mage if you are Frost Spec'd for MC & BWL, you will get far more bonus out of the Reed than the Eye - though you may end up using both together for a while. As you continue on however, your average effects may eventually balance out the two items in terms of damage value to you, and as you progress even further, the Eye may eventually outweigh the Reed in terms of their value to you - assuming you haven't found something better in the mean time to replace one of them.

But something of note here is that if you are in a guild dropping Kel'thuzad, you are probably already on the higher end of the damage spectrum. You're probably going to end up getting a larger bonus from the additional +Spellcrit% than the corresponding difference in +Spelldamage between something like the Amulet of Vek'nilash and the Gem of Trapped Innocents making the Gem more valuable in terms of damage slightly, with the difference becomming more and more pronounced as you upgrade your gear to the highest end (and probably further in expansions assuming something better for this slot doesn't become available to you).

This is only comparing +Spellcrit% and +Spelldamage of course in terms of normal damage, not +Spellhit%, and doesn't account for other strategies like Fire Mages keeping Ignites rolling etc...

Hope some of this rambling might be helpful to some of you...

Edited, Oct 16th 2006 at 12:59pm PDT by Valcronde

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Amulet of Vek'nilash

Commentaire de Allakhazam

@#$% browser!

Edited, Sep 19th 2006 at 7:16am EDT by Madsenffs

Commentaire de Allakhazam

best neck for pvp/fire mage. hands down.

Commentaire de Allakhazam

ooo shiny

Edited, Sep 19th 2006 at 7:10am EDT by Madsenffs

Commentaire de Allakhazam

vek'nilash is superior for locks imo, hit>crit so 1 more % of crit doesn't compensate for 12 spelldmg imo

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Definitely a pally necklace!

Illumination paladins benefit the most from spell crit :P

Commentaire de Allakhazam

Heh..you CANNOT use it as a paladin..why?
Well...it's a gem of _trapped innocents_! A paladin never ever would keep them caged, he would free them, thus destroying the item..ahahaha..palas must be good, fools! :P :P :P

Commentaire de Allakhazam

why hello there sidegrade

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