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Kommentar von 176259

The 15% bonus to damage while enraging is a great excuse to take this talent for tanking (remember that percentage bonuses stack multiplicatively so this will more than likely be more than an extra 15% of your tooltip damage), allowing you to put out 15% more threat every minute for ten seconds, resulting in an overall gain of 2.5% more threat, unless this is coupled with your longer cooldowns.

On the other hand, the kitty side of this buff is really nice too. For a simple global cooldown, you can get an extra 131 white dps, which will add on to your shreds (but not rips), and get a 60 energy refund. At 20 energy per two seconds, and assuming you are hit capped, your white damage will do 131 more damage for six hits, giving a total of 786 more white damage, and with three energy ticks you will be able to get 120 energy total, which is two shreds. The 131 bonus damage will give you: (131*1.3 * 1.1 * 2 shreds, giving 374 more yellow damage, which makes tiger's fury give 1160 more damage every 30 seconds (38.7 more dps).
However, only 1.43 of these shreds come from the 60 energy from this skill (yes you can't have partial shreds but over the course of multiple uses of this you'll average 1.43 shreds per use). This means that this talent is worth (1.43 * 1.1 * 1.3 * 131) damage by itself, totaling 8.9 DPS, making Tiger's Fury 30% more effective.

One more thing that might also make a difference is that people will more than likely use Tiger's Fury more often with this talent, further increasing its usefulness.

Bottom line? Tiger's fury is nice, and with this talent it's even better. Add the bear bonus and this is a very solid talent for any feral druid. Yes, it could be better, but as it is, it will certainly help and I would be more than willing to spec into it.

Kommentar von wingman

You're forgetting something very important here: +15% dmg != +15% threat, its lots lots more.

Kommentar von 185932

This is a must have talent for any kitty dps builds. The instant 60 energy helps immensely. Before this (and the fixes to energy generation) any cat worth their salt needed to powershift to get quick energy. Powershifting isn't eliminated completely, but this completely eliminates the danger of running out of mana in extended fights. Also, this makes rotations much more natural and the extra 15% damage is a great bonus.

The benefits for tanking are a bit more reliant on gear and your group. If you or your healer lack gear the armor penalty (I have about 29k armor in bear form normally and was reduced to ~24k) is potentially very dangerous. Of course, when combined with Berserk you'll have more than enough aggro on secondary targets that you can just focus on your main target without worrying about them straying to your healer.

Kommentar von samarium

60 instant energy is so useful. I can't count the number of times I've been attacking a caster and have to hope my EnergyWatch bar fills up before their cast bar does.

In a similar vein, it'll let you unload your Mangle-Shred combo during Pounce and have enough left to Maim before the stun wears off.

Also, since Ferals are very good at locking down casters, it'll let you build more CP during Pounce stun so your Maim will last longer.

The Enrage part of the talent is also fantastic, it makes the Mangle + Maul opener that is the whole reason to Enrage in the first place 15% more potent.

Although come to think of it, it might be more rage-efficient in the future to use Mangle + a regular white attack, then Lacerate + maul in between so you get the benefit of both Mangle's Maul modifier and the one from Rend and Tear.

Time will tell. No matter what happens 60 free energy every 30 seconds is just awesome.

Kommentar von specterk

Assuming that every time you use Tiger's Fury you don't waste any of your refunded energy ("over-energizing"), 3 pts in this talent effectively increases your total energy over time by 20%.

Add to that the fact that you get to *choose* when to get your bonus energy--opening up new massive burst dps options, especially when combined with Berserk--this has become a new favorite talent of mine. I haven't done the math yet since it's irrelevant to me, but I suspect that it would be pretty competitive with the 6% damage bonus across the board that you would otherwise get from last 3 points in Naturalist (which is where you should've pulled the points for this if you chose to pick it up) in terms of its effect on dps over time.

However, there are much better places to put 3 points if you're trying to spec for raid tanking.

Kommentar von 259303

I can't see ever taking this for tanking. Except for the few bosses that do no physical damage, the only reason you normally enrage in the middle of a fight is when you were absolutely starved for rage. That only happens when you are either running easier content (in which case you should survive anyway) or when you are trying to stay 2nd on the aggro list, for a fight like Moroses. I think for most tanking builds, the three points are better spent elsewhere.

Kommentar von 305358

A very nice talent for kitty druids, for tanks not so much.

Kommentar von 333279

Pounce->Mangle->Tiger's fury->Shred->Shred->Ferocious Bite -> dead

Kommentar von 170073

#showtooltip Ferocious Bite
/cast Tiger's Fury
/cast Ferocious Bite

Considering you usualy have used most of your energy to make some combo points and shortly after bust down another Mangle.
This could give u alot of that needed burst in PvP

Kommentar von 241152

How does the energy return work? For example, with this macro:

#showtooltip Mangle (Cat)
/cast Mangle (Cat)
/cast Tiger's Fury

Will this use the energy for mangle, and then give you 60 energy? I hope this is the way it works :P
If I change the macro to this, will anything change?

#showtooltip Mangle (Cat)
/cast Tiger's Fury
/cast Mangle (Cat)

Will this macro give me the 60 energy and then cast mangle? I'd guess it behaves exactly the same way as my first macro, but I don't know.

Basically, if I have one of these macro, and use it with 100 energy to start with, do I end up with 100 energy or is tiger's fury used first (useless waste) and then mangle used, leaving me with 60 energy? This is kind of important, I really would like someone to test it :P

Kommentar von 258919

A must-have talent for almost any purpose. Lets you recover immediately with the push of a button from a Ferocious Bite energy dump, or just a couple mangles. Also significantly helps you preserve mana, meaning less downtime if you have to cycle out (as a side note, this gives you more mana to heal if you need to without worrying as much about shifting back).

If you're an endgame tank, this ability is handy for the extra damage. It may not be the best hardcore tank talent, but it's a better alternative than some other options if you have extra points.

Kommentar von 490238

"In addition, the mana cost of Bear Form, Cat Form, and Dire Bear Form is reduced by 60%."
How does this work with the talent "Natural shapeshifter"? I highly doubt that we'll be given a -90% mana cost on shapeshifts :p Then again when we're talking about Blizzard anything is possible. My druid is still too young for me to test this myself so I'm asking :3

Kommentar von 505931

I'm guessing the 15% damage won't stack with Tricks of The Trade, correct?

Kommentar von 88936

While this talent used to be sketchy at best for Bears, combine this talent with the 4 piece bonus from Feral T10 and this turns into an extremely attractive talent for tanks.

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/itemset=889
Your Enrage ability no longer decreases your armor and instead decreases all damage taken by 13 to 12%, and the periodic damage done by your Rake ability can now be a critical strike

before the set bonus, Enrage would decrease your base armor by 16%, which can be significant once you figure in bear form multipliers. with the set bonus however, it erases the lost armor and instead decreases overall damage taken by 12-13%, in effect giving you an additional almost-as-good Barkskin. Add King of the Jungle (KoJ) 3/3 and not only are reducing damage taken but you are also dealing 15% more with all attacks.

Consider some circumstances that this can come in handy (with the set bonus of course).

1. Initial pull. most likely you will enrage right before the pull to get some rage so you can get your threat going quickly. now you have increased mitigation while healers are getting positioned AND you are going to produce much more threat from the damage output increase. not so worried about having dps "give you a second"

2. Mid fight. your skelly key https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=50356, Barkskin, frenzied regen, etc are all on cooldown. now you can pop enrage for some extra mitigation AND get a delicious dps boost as well

3. During a Bloodlust or near the end of the fight when dps is scrambling to get a boss down. as a tank, you rarely get the chance to pump up your dps. now you can.

4. KoJ 3/3 helps your dps when you have to fail-cat, like you should be doing on festergut while youre not tanking him.

5. with KoJ 3/3, the overall damage benefit of just using enrage as soon as its available probably outweighs saving it as a mitigation CD

im specifcally speaking of a raid environment here because if you have 4pieces of T10, you are probably closing in on 50k health in bear unbuffed and heroics should be a joke for you.

So yes, this talent is viable for bears.

EDIT: Grammar. I probably still didnt catch it all.

Kommentar von megakiller312

Watch out for that tree.

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