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Kommentar von bathazar

Will be chased after by death knight tanks in my opinion.

High amount of stam and a really good amount of strength make this more than a dps weapon. It also has 2 blue sockets (color doesnt really matter but...) so I can see two 30 stam gems sitting in there. It also has a really nice amount of expertise. Those that socketed to hit the cap can now replace those with more useful tanking gems. Although the armor pen isnt #1 stat for death knights, it can still be useful and will not deter dks away from this great weapon.

*edit* btw my main is a paladin so believe me, I'm not just a dk that is saying "omgz purplez i wunt"

Kommentar von zagi

This name is based off of Indalamar <Nurfed>, a player who first released the Warrior Pwnage Video in Beta. Ramaladni is Indalamar spelled backwards.

You can see his video here: Indalamar Warrior Power.

Kommentar von Ansi

This is the second item in World of Warcraft refering to Indalamar. The first item was a quest reward in the original version of Naxxramas in vanilla WoW named Ramaladni's Icy Grasp.

Indalamars full story can be found on Wowwiki:

Indalamar has been widely attributed as the cause of a series of nerfs to the warrior class during the World of Warcraft beta. He was and still is a member of the Nurfed guild. Some players on the Warrior forums have given him the flattering title of "The Warrior." Indalamar's fame stems from a discussion on the Warrior forums during the Beta testing phase of World of Warcraft. The discussion centered around the possibility that warrior damage output was far too high. Indalamar thought it was. Many disagreed, so he filmed a video of himself farming to prove his point. Within a few hours the discussion's thread had several pages worth of replies, and in the same day Blizzard nerfed the Fury tree for warriors, which was the tree Indalamar was mainly using. The changes made were in relation to the Bloodthirst and Slam abilities. The old version of Bloodthirst allowed a 100% critical chance with bonus damage after killing an enemy, which meant (as Indalamar showed) that a warrior could start every fight with a huge critical and proc Flurry every time. The Slam ability was also redesigned to become interruptible.

After beta, Indalamar was hired on by blizzard to be an item developer. His brother is Nisstyr, Guild Leader of the Nurfed guild on Blackrock.

Indalamars original movie "Warrior Killrate" can be found on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cpsm-ln920

Kommentar von Santee

This weapon is a great DK tanking weapon! 2 blue sockets, a lot of stamina and expertise make it great for them!

Kommentar von Victarious

Poppy#$%^. Pure poppy^&*! Assuming they still need to hit the expertise cap, it's every bit as good for an Arms warrior as a fury. I'm salivating, over here. :)

It's also, as Santee said, beautifully itemized for a DK tank.

Kommentar von feezee

The stamina, strength, expertise, and armor pen do make this great for a DK tank. This link provides some threat equivalencies for the different DK tanking specs:
http://pwnwear.com/2009/09/08/threat-stats-equivalence-points-for-death-knight-tanks/
The stamina is obviously desirable for a tank.
For hit capped tanks, strength and expertise are the prime threat stats for all three specs. The armor pen is also desirable, although this varies from spec to spec.

I'm sure its good for other classes/specs, but this shows why it is useful for DK tanks in particular.

Kommentar von frmorrison

It is hard to beat this item as a Orc Death Knight tank (other than heroic version or Shadowmourne, but dps should get that). 16.1 expertise from one item is very nice to generate more threat and lessen the chance of parry haste.

Kommentar von 239153

Wow have you guys seen the model for this? The stats are tasty, but the looks... just incredible

Kommentar von 306673

This is the axe that High Overlord Sourfang is holding in ICC.

Kommentar von nenadnesha15

I am a DK, and this axe just dropped for me and i decided to throw in 2x sovereign dreadstones so i can switch between tanking and dps'ing runes as it gives both str and stamina.Overall very nice axe for dps and DK tanks

Kommentar von Pyrius

While the ArP benefit for DKs varies for DKs, the recent changes to Scourge Strike finally make it nice for all three trees (Heart Strike, Obliterate, and Scourge Strike, the bread and butter strikes for the three trees, are all physical and benefit).

(This comment is now outdated with the elimination of ArP from the game.)

Kommentar von verduran

One problem about Expertise in 3.3 is that, each single item gives too much of it that it is really easy to blow the cap or being significantly under the cap.

While this may benefit other dps classes provided that they are using one of lower item lvl, I will probably pass these to the DK tanks that needs it as it should benefit them more (partly because they don't reach the hard expertise cap as easily as DPS)

One general rule of thumb that i use is to see the ratio between str and sta on the weapon, ignoring socket color (since all u lose is the socket bonus which ppl usually ignores anyway), and the presence of hit or expertise (since the other stats generally don't benefit the tanks as much as these)

I've just gotten this beauty today as a Blood DPS DK since there wasn't any tank DK in raid (and the other DPS DK have already looted something earlier), gonna replace Keen Obsidian Edged Blade with it as my tank weapon. Couldn't wait to try it out~

Kommentar von 205431

Worldcarver 2.0

Kommentar von 387891

One of three 2H Strength-based weapons for 10 man that we know about (heroic mode has the same weapons, but ilvl 264 instead of 251), and at the time of this writing, one of two available, the other being the Citadel Enforcer's Claymore off of Lord Marrowgar. It's a toss up between them, although this one has a superior speed vs. the Claymore and a higher Strength potential if socketed with 2 Bold Cardinals. The other 2H strength based weapon is a mace named Oxheart which apparently is a Valithria Dreamwalker drop (who is currently unavailable.), and there is an Agility based Polearm off of the Blood Princes called "Hersir's Greatspear." Obviously, anything in the Lich King's loot table is unknown as of now and I would be willing to put money down he'll have a "perfect" weapon in his loot table.

Whether or not it's relevant, the model is ugly as sin compared to the Claymore, not to mention that cool-guy extrordinaire Darion Mograine has a sword with the Claymore's model.

Obviously, the blue sockets will make this a wanted weapon among Death Knight tanks.

Kommentar von 363562

This weapon is amazing for Fury warriors, and plate DPS in general.
With two of these, you'll be at a whopping 22 expertise!
Only needing four from gear, which actually may prove to be a challenge with all the ICC Str itemized drops are LOADED with expertise.

Kommentar von Haxxer

This axe has text written all over it:

DO WANT

Kommentar von 495222

I'm a ret pally and this weapon is terrible for us.

Any of us taking this over a Warrior or Blood DK needs to DIAF.

Kommentar von Lotena

I was lucky enough to snag two of these the first two weeks of ICC10 being out. After the orc racial and dumping every bit of expertise I can so far (my gear still has a ways to go, so this is only temporary and I am working on reducing it) I am sitting at a ridiculous 44/44. I think at this rate I can dps at the front and just not care. At the very least I can now take out the Starship Enterprise.

Incredible damage output, incredible weapons. Even if it does put you way over expertise cap as an Orc unless you have ZERO expertise gear, as two of these will plop you at 27/27.

Yet I've never seen a battered hilt drop. Where is the justice in that?

Kommentar von Grksinner

This is horrible for a ret pally
Stats are for dk tanks or warriors.
"won" it because no one could use it and hate too see it go to DE

Kommentar von Kurtosis

Re Shadowmourne: While Shadowmourne's stats are more dps-oriented (Str>Stam, no Exp, 3x Red and no Blue sockets), its base dmg and built-in AoE still make it a very strong DK tank threat weapon, assuming the DK has enough stam and exp from gear.

If raid threat cap is an issue, giving it to a DK tank could significantly lift the raid threat cap and allow the rest of the dps to go all out, downing raid bosses faster with less stress on healers.

DPS increases with every gear upgrade, be it a weapon or armor, but DK tank threat depends primarily on the weapon (and secondarily on Bladed Armor + armor increases). If you have to chose, giving Shadowmourne to a DK tank is a valid option.

Kommentar von 11398

This is a superb tanking weapon for a DK. So much stamina, lots of expertise. Expertise has an avoidance equivalent to dodge of about 50% on average (calculated by Theckhd).

Kommentar von PHOENIXZERO

For a Orc warrior though not so much, now one would probably be fine if you're not already expertise capped or can shift around your gear to lose it somewhere else, preferable without losing your set bonus (going with T9 here) but two of them probably isn't the best of ideas since it'd end up being a bit over 32 expertise. If you can work around going over or too far over the expertise softcap then by all means have at it. Either way, as a Fury warrior I would definitely pass on this to a DK, especially if they're a tank and if not then get them started with tanking because with my current gear set up I cannot see myself using this over the ToC25 axe..

Kommentar von 533939

Hmm, been contemplating this.. but, as an Arms warrior, would this be better than Justicebringer (non-heroic) if gemmed? I'd switch to fury immediately if I got both though. :P I'm just wondering.

Kommentar von 534215

arms warrior or a dk tank weapon. pallys go phuk yourselves if you take this over either of the two.

-nuff said lives are lost when bladestorm is on cd

Kommentar von 421378

Purge fest!

Kommentar von 536840

I think that a fury warrior would love this weapon because not only of the ArP but the expertise rating is great.
You can just put two green gems in each weapon and get hit and sta out of it.

Kommentar von 59459

im an arms war, and lost roll on this to a ret pally today, super !@#$ed :(

even offered him 6k gold to trade it, but he declined. he already had justicebringer :(

anyone know what the droprate on this is?

Kommentar von 359630

All right, I'm a Retribution Paladin who actually finds this as a better upgrade than the Citadel Enforcer's Claymore. Keep reading so you can actually see my point.

Some facts:

- My current weapon is the Tyrannical Beheader.
- My ICC10 group has no DK Tanks, as a matter of fact I'm the only one who can use 2H Weapon from that group.
- My ICC10 group has the first wing of ICC on farm, we're stucked at Rotface.
- My Hit Rating is waay over cap (12.20%)
- My Expertise is 20 (30 with my Glyph of Seal of Vengeance)

So, with this weapon I would get:

+ 35 Weapon DPS
+ 19 Strength
+ 27 Stamina
+ 30 ArP
+ 11 Expertise
+ 1 Socket
- 92 Haste

With that extra 11 Expertise, I would have 41. By having that crazy amount of Expertise, I would be able to remove my Glyph of Seal of Vengeance and use something more useful, such as Glyph of Exorcism, which would give me 20% more damage with Exorcism. Let's also consider that pretty much everything we see in ICC are Undeads, so Exorcism has a 100% Crit Chance.

If I get Citadel Enforcer's Claymore, I'd get:

+ 35 Weapon DPS
+ 27 Strength
+ 27 Stamina
+ 3.14 % Hit
+ 76 Critical Strike Rating
- 92 Haste
- 53 ArP

While the extra Strength is nice, Ramaladni's Blade of Culling has 1 more socket, so I'd be able to get +20 Strength. I don't really need Hit right now, I'm trying to get rid of it and I just can't! I'm not gemmed for Hit and 3.14% more hit would be just silly. The Critical is good, but I already have over 40% Crit with this group.

So yeah, under my circumstances, Ramaladni's Blade of Culling is better than the Citadel Enforcer's Claymore.

Of course this just works for me, any Retribution Paladin who Needs this if there's a Death Knight or Warrior in his/her Raid is just an ass.

If you wish to see my armory to check these facts, feel free to do so.

Have a good day.

Kommentar von 534473

I'd be interested to know how this compares to Bryntroll for a DK tank. It has 3 more stamina, two blue sockets (in contrast to one red/one blue) and a huge amount of expertise in place of the proc. Of course, it would depend on how useful expertise is as a defensive stat as opposed to threat holding and how much overhealing is caused by the proc on Bryntroll under ICC circumstances.

Kommentar von luubox

Finaly got this badboy a few days ago. the expertise and stamina is lovely as a dk tank.

only thing to put my finger on, is the point where you hold the axe while swinging it. it feels too high up on the axe compared to other weapons.

Kommentar von 117919

Stealth buff on this baby, my normal Ramaladni has 91 expertise now.
Not sure when they changed it, but wowhead still says 83.

Or its a bug :O

Kommentar von eXodusOnFiRe

would this be an upgrade over https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=50048 for ret paladins? I took this simply cause nobody else could in group but im not sure if it's an upgrade, it would get 24 more str {with 2 bold str gems} but what i'd be losing is simply crit and haste. in overall dps on the weapons it seems like quel'dalar would be better but im just not entirely sure.

Kommentar von 469068

If you're hitcapped and have 2pt10, isn't this just plain better than CEC? Not to mention that expertise can help beyond the cap by your DS hitting adds that are facing you, I guess, but that's more than hit does.

Kommentar von saruu

Is it me or this axe a myth?

Kommentar von 221044

I would like to mention that this is an inedible *starter* PvP axe, at least for warriors. Socketed with two Fractured Cardinal Rubies, this axe gives a whopping total of 103 ArP rating, or 7.4% armor reduction. Furthermore, for Orc Arms Warriors, this axe puts you at 23 expertise, or 3 over soft cap (soft cap being the innate 5% chance that all players have to dodge).

Although expertise isn't the best stat out there, getting soft capped isn't a bad idea at all, to increase the chance that your attacks will connect. This is even more true since in PvP Arms is GCD capped, beacuse of haveing to constantly stance dance and spam slows.

Note: not saying this is ARMS ONLY or something like that. Just pointing out how valuable it is for PvP.

Kommentar von Nedjen

As a Fury Warrior, which enchant should I get on this? Berserking? What if I have 2x of this, I'll go with dual Berserk enchant?

Kommentar von 293098

Modelled to fit with warrior tier 10, or ICC normal mode gear.

Kommentar von Archangel76

By fernandobacate 23 days ago (Patch 3.3.3)
I'm preety sure that Marrowgar's one is always the choice of a DK tank in ICC.
Let this Axe for the Fury warriors, or paladins that still use the Pit of Saron one.
:)

Um..... No. Shows how much you don't understand the class.

Marrowgar's is a nice tank weapon for a DK, but not the best. The two weapons are comparable. Bryntroll's basic stats are great for a DK tank and with the two sockets, it can be "stam stacked". Add to it a nifty proc that gives a DK another healing ability, and it's nice. Problem is....
1) It's only a 25 man drop
2) It has no other added bennies for a DK tank

And even then, if you're running 25 man....you gotta somehow convince people that Bryntroll is a DK tank weapon. Problem for the DK is.... name for me a two-handed weapon with defensive stats!......

Right. There aren't any. So we have to contend with people saying "it has no defensive stats on it!"
So, any weapon we would use is automatically viewed as a "dps weapon". We're going to be stuck competing for dps weapons which are ideal for us for our tank main spec versus dps, especially if the loot master doesn't understand what we need in a good DK tank weapon.

For a DK Tank.... you're looking for the following.....

1) Stamina
2) Strength
3) Expertise
4) Hit Rating
5) Blue Sockets with a Str/Stam Bonus (usually stam)
Edit: Hell, sockets of ANY kind. Anything that allows a DK to stam stack. Ideally blue though with a stam/str bonus associated
6) Armor Penetration (for Blood Tank and Unholy)
7) Agility (in lieu of anything else)

Expertise is BIG for a DK tank because you want to keep up threat by landing as many hits as you can and avoiding any potential parry-haste from a boss. Yes, not all bosses have it, but for a DK tank, you don't want to play with fire.

And.... despite all the whining about "stam stacking", for a blood tank, it's more important than it is to a warrior or pally tank! I know.... a lot of you are probably thinking I'm full of it.... let me ask you then....
How many of a warrior or paladin's tank abilities are affected or dependent upon their health pool?

Warrior? Last Stand... and that's about it.
Paladin? Ardent Defender and Divine Sacrifice

Now.... for a Blood DK.... we LIVE off of it!
Death Strike.... gives us a heal worth 5% of max health for each disease. Getting a 10%+ free heal with this ability is crucial to our effectiveness as a tank! (no block... no savage defense....)
Vampiric Blood.... Our version of Last Stand
Will of the Necropolis..... Our version of Ardent Defender
Rune Tap..... 10% of our max health
Mark of Blood..... 4% of our max health
Blood Gorged.... depends on us being over 75% health

So.... if you do see a blood tank stam stacking, we're doing it for a damn good reason.

This axe allows us to do this more effectively since it has two blue gem slots with a stamina bonus, great stam/str stats, and gives us a HUGE chunk of much needed expertise! This weapon is arguably better than Bryntroll. Edit: Particularly for a blood tank. Now.... for an unholy tank with a frost subspec, Bryntroll comes out on top. (see Elitist Jerks for the full long-winded explanation.... http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t72364-unholy_dps_just_another_day/ .... and yes. It's a dps thread. Just read it. )

Kommentar von Gilgamesh83

Lets think ahead a little, for most ppl including paladins this is a pretty good wep AND considering that ArP is gone in Cataclysm from items this item will most likley get hit, critt or haste in its stead. SOOOOO this wep is not a total waste to keep for your pally :p

BTW got Quel Delar and got this in hope that it will become something better when cata hits. And tbh most ppl wont be able to get better stuff before cata anyway.

Kommentar von arano101

OK i have blood dk tank and i just switched from citadel enforcing clamor to this. Improvements are:
Higher RS dmg
No duct tape on weapon
Finally over dodge cap and by nice margin

Kommentar von 564947

I can't wait till this drops for my Tauren DK tank....the two blue sockets and expertise plus the stam is just whoa. I'm currently using Quel'Delar, Might of the Faithful. I didnt buy the hilt or anything...it just dropped for me and I won in like my second H-PoS run.

With this I get:

-18 str
+83 ArPen
-99 Crit
+91 Expertise (and I definetly need the expertise)
-91 Haste
+0.1 DPS
-0.1 speed (which is good, considering tanking requires more hits-more threat)
+2 blue sockets

im trading crit and haste for expertise and ArPen and 2 blue sockets

so overall it's do i want a itemized DK tank wep or a melee DPS weapon?

Kommentar von Epicskillz

Is this better for a dps warrior than Bryntroll? I was hoping there would be a more thorough discussion about that, and not regarding DK tanks.
I have started stacking arp now, and this would really help, but this one has less wep dps and lacks the selfheal.

My guild hasnt even done putri 10N yet, so please dont start dragging all sorts of Heroic weapons into this.

Kommentar von 614756

I'm a DK tank, and the other day I won Gruftmacher off Valanar. Some dps started %^&*!ing saying "That mace has armor pen on it, it's no good for DK tanks." I linked them this weapon with it's nice little armor pen, and he didn't say a word after. The stupidity of people appalls me....

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