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Kommentar von 459142

One of the rewards from the Quel'Delar quest chain, the others being: Quel'Delar, Ferocity of the Scorned, Quel'Delar, Cunning of the Shadows, Quel'Delar, Lens of the Mind, and for those of you who can't wield swords there are mace rewards from the same quest: Cudgel of Furious Justice, Hammer of Purified Flame, and Lightborn Spire.

This rewards is the one designed for most strength based 2h melee dps classes, and (not exactly and expert in this area) Death Knight tanks.

Kommentar von Kalx

Why haste, Blizzard, WHY?

Why do you ha(s)te us so much!

Kommentar von Santee

This is a great paladin weapon! In boss fights a paladin's dps is 1/3 based on normal hits, so the haste is just a fairly nice dps increase. Crit and a large amount of strength makes it a perfect ret paladin weapon. And easy to get also if you just turned level 80, maybe with some help from friends.

Kommentar von Grieel

I know Bliz doesn't want to flood the game with legendaries but this should have been one also. I mean this thing was used against the Scourge in the (failed) defense of the original Sunwell and charged with the power of the 5 aspects, if you ask me that makes this sword rather legendary

Kommentar von ZeroEdgeir

Issue with DK's wanting the mace.... you can't get it.

Blizzard already said that if your class can use a Sword, you get the sword rewards to pick from. No questions asked.

Only Shamans, Priests, and Druids will see the Mace rewards, being the only 3 non-Sword-using classes in the game.

Kommentar von 67850

This item: Battered Hilt begins the quest to get this item.

Kommentar von Ansi

Even if you take weapon DPS into account Ferocity of the Scorned comes out ~5% ahead of Might of the Faithful as warrior, based on Simulationcraft.

The result depends on your other stats though, but Haste is quite bad compared to Armor Penetration for warriors. If you're capped on Armor Penetration or use one of the Armor Penetration Trinkets, it's another ballgame. This weapon questline is very appealing to casuals, and many casuals cannot afford gear to be capped on Armor Penetration.

TLDR - Picking a weapon may not be an obvious choice.

Kommentar von 469629

Finally got my Sword, took me around 4 hours, but now, im a proud owner of a epic sword^^ ;O love it so much ;D

Kommentar von ataxxia

To the people hating on the haste...
NB: I'm a retribution paladin, so I don't really care for haste, but I like high damage ranges. And I know that haste isnt the ideal stat, but Blizzard isn't going to stack strength, stam and crit on one item

This weapon is a 3.6 speed where most 2handers from PvE have been 3.5.

Since its 3.6 it has a higher damage range than it would if it was 3.5 (to maintain the same dps).
The haste gives 2.78% haste.
Therefore, the speedup is: 3.6 * 2.78% = 0.1

Therefore, the weapon is still 3.5.

Higher damage range, while keeping the speed at 3.5. Not too horrible.

Kommentar von Fortunate

This is perfect for Unholy DKs. Crit and Haste take priority over Armor Pen for Unholy.

Kommentar von frmorrison

This is the best item for DK or Rets don't need expertise from the questline.

Kommentar von wylie

ok im an arms warrior and i have been hearing that the sword spec is significantly less dps than the mace spec, so i am wondering if https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=50052 is a viable option for a warrior even with the low top end dmg.

Kommentar von 356764

I cannot wait to get this. Going from a Titansteel Destroyer to this is going to be one amazing upgrade! :P

Kommentar von wylie

so pallys can only get the sword? they can use the healing mace. i dont see how that works

Kommentar von wylie

and rogues? what about them, they can use swords.

Kommentar von 476703

For an unholy/blood dps should I take might of the Faithul or ferocity of the scorned?

EDIT: Why'd I get downrated? I didnt know if they meant tank or dps on above comments

Kommentar von digidan99

Dead on! Tier10 is itemized beautifully with tons of haste, and Quel'Delar adds the perfect hasted weapon while maintaining a nice slow speed for a higher CS and DS.

I think most paladins are forgetting CS and DS are normalized, to 3.3 speed regardless of the weapons base speed, so it will still do the same amount of damage for any weapon with same DPS. The real reason ret paladins perfer slow weapons, is because Seal proccs are not normalized.

Kommentar von 179229

hmm, noticed that the quest were repeatable (says so on the quest here on wowhead at least) so, am i able to dualwield 2 of those baybies or at least this in mainhand and scorned in offhand?

Kommentar von StumpJumper

12/15/09: Blizz made this weapon Unique Equip, so no TG for warriors. But there is always the 25 man Ony sword and one of these... how sweet woudl That be =)

Link: http://www.wow-track.com/2009/12/15/more-ingame-fixes/

Kommentar von 53307

You ll got The Sword in the Skull achievement after completing the quest line.

Kommentar von 500337

BLIZZ! You toy with my heart yet again -_- I'm a tank but I'll have to settle for this for my dps offspec.

Kommentar von 500408

So as a blood dps, should I use this weapon or Ferocity of the Scorned?

Kommentar von 331081

If a fury warrior had this weapon and shadowmourne, the haste would affect the speed at which soul fragments stack (shadowmourne is extremely slow and its only a 20% proc chance) but thats a legendary and i doubt many fury warriors would have both. I believe that ArP would increase the dps in the combo even more though, but still its nice to know that its not a wasted stat.

Kommentar von Lohung

can they be duel wielded?

Kommentar von 503214

So where does it Drop the Quest !

For the Alliance !

Kommentar von 300190

As long as i dont have rare weapon, i think it is a really good weapon, i've been stuck with the runblade of demonstrable power for too long, now that i have this, i'm set for the ICC 10man

Kommentar von 426468

It's... Epic! O_O

Kommentar von whitedragon254

Quel'Delar had a minor glitch on the first day of 3.3: On the first day of 3.3 the battered hilt's drop rate was accedentally set to something above about 5%, causing the hilt to drop much more often then it was supposed to. These hilts also would glitch, they would vanish if someone died then rezzed in an instance, also would vanish if they left the instance in anyway. The next day the drop rates were lowered to 1%. A hotfix raised the drop rate, but it isnt as high as the first day drop rate.

I know this because i was one of the people who were lucky enough to get it on the first day, along with two people i know who also reported their hilts having vanished once they left the instance.

Kommentar von bubkusjones

I'm sure he was referring to Titans Grip warriors dual wielding this sword with either Burnished Quel'Serrar or Shadowmourne

Kommentar von 479053

This sword is preferable over https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=50761#comments:id=935624 as a plate dps with no question, unless you are in dire straits to become hit capped. But by the time you obtain this weapon, you are quite likely hit capped already. Seriously... too much hit on gear as it is. Haste hasn't ever looked better.

Kommentar von 300827

I chose this over the scorned sword for my blood DK. I almost chose Scorned because of the Crit/Arp, but just couldn't get past the fact that it didn't have strength on it. MaxDps has the Scorned sword slightly better than Faithful, however. Hope I made the right choice :0

Kommentar von bogwan77

Could it(and/or its brothers) be duel wielded? Does the quest-reward aspect of it not allow you to have two?

Kommentar von HandofDeath

blizzard said even tho this will be the "LAST" raid and dungeons they still will make new ones just to give the players something to do besides doing icecrown citadel for months until cataclysm possibly they will have a series of events leading to cataclysm. just my guess tho

Kommentar von gatygun

This weapon is great for retri pvp do not underestemate the haste thats on it.

the haste provides a slower heal time, which can be extreemly handy if you wanna throw out some heals inside a cc.

Kommentar von 351151

o.O I thought this was the Hunter version? In all serialness though.

Death Knights and Tanking
DKs using agil dps weapons isn't a bad thing, but strength is better. Indeed most highend one-hander dps have agil as a base stat, with attack power and crit as an additional stat. Agil adds to crit (marginally). Most one handers with stam and strength (that a DK would actually like) are defense weapons with too low top-end weapon damage to be meaningful (gimping all special attacks). So If you are DW, you're stuck with agil. In terms of other spells like Howling Blast for example, AP is AP; It doesn't matter if it came from strength or from a weapon stat. (But there is more economy on strength per ilevel than AP).

While agil is not bad, it's just that Strength is so much more a meaningful stat to DKs both on raw AP and other abilities, that given a preference, DKs should opt for Strength bearing weapons. Inevitably, this means using hefty 2H weapons with nice beefy max damage (for specials). (And sadly, gimping the frost tree for dps apparently - I'm not entirely convinced of this yet though). But you may find yourself being squeezed into blood tanking for endgame.

Certainly the buff to heart strike in the 2set bonus lends more nicely to blood tanking (6 stabs in blood per runic set, vs two in frost tanking). That, and the merciless lack of +hit on i245+ tanking items, means you are pretty much forced out of DW tanking at endgame (3.3.0) - which means being forced out of frost. You just can't generate threat if you can't land hits, which is hard to do below 245+hit on DW. Another point to remember, you will conserve more RP for Rune Strikes when using a 2hander, permitting each auto to be a RS, and also hitting on a yellow based attack.

Haste is not actually a bad stat either. For tanking, while slower weapon swings do permit you to ensure every autoattack is a Rune Strike. There is a break point on this consideration when duel wielding however. It happens when you're swinging so much, that you're guaranteed of this anyhow (at around the 2sec or less swing speed, obtainable with 2.6 one--handers and Imp Icy Talons). Meaning if you happened to miss an RS (from latency, or loss of RP etc.), the next auto-attack will happen soon enough anyhow.

Demystifying the haste stat on this particular item...
It's no accident either that the haste stat on this weapn, just so happens to put it on an effective swing timer of 3.50 seconds (just like most other 2H dps). - the net result is punishing specials, which are based on max weapon damage.

Mikey likes it.

Kommentar von 39542

I wish Blizzard would fix the scaling of this weapon for 2-handed, as it is, it looks like a 1-handed weapon even on any non-BE female =(

Kommentar von zlendex

I hope someone can explain to me why i aint seeing a dps upgrade when switching between these 2.

Gains: +34.7dps +35str +99crit rating
Loss: -1 haste rating -53ArP rating -1 Yellow socket -5 expertise (since im orc)

In my eyes this should be a pretty big upgrade.

Tyrannical Beheader: https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=50267
Quel'Delar, Might of the Faithful: https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=50048

Yes, i have 400 in 2h sword, ofc.

Kommentar von 544758

great blood dk weapon, way better than my over-used https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=50267

Kommentar von chop360

Anyone else think the two-hander ones look kinda short and lame?

Kommentar von 191235

Was lucky enough to get a Battered Hilt drop in a random heroic just yesterday and won the roll. I thought about selling it (14K gold on my server) for about 30 seconds and decided I have more gold then I need right now. I'm very glad I chose to keep it. The quest for this Sword was very cool, one of the best I've done in this game. I did the quest on my DK and this is a perfect weapon for a DK, it even look like what I would expect a DK rune blade to look like. If you get a Battered Hilt DON'T sell it. Gold is easy to get in this game but quests like this one are very rare.

Kommentar von 471323

imagine being a fury warrior with this one aaaaaand ! will probably make a spell instead of attack "use your both weapons to make the world envy you and make everyones head explode"

Kommentar von 66086

I have it on my retridin and I love it. I only have one objection...

It's supposed to be the sister blade of Quel'Serrar https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=18348 or it's new versions, as far as I know.

Why the hell is it smaller then? I mean it's a Two-Hander, Quel'Serrar is a one hander.

Also, it has the exact same size in One-Hand and Two-Hand version, what gives? And before you say "It's the same sword only with different enchantment on it bla, bla, bla." I say screw that, why did I get saronite from the Pit of Saron then? It was reforged a bitt wasn't it?
Well couldn't they make it a bitt bigger then? Or make the caster/dps versions smaller.
I mean, get this... a caster is wielding in one hand the same sword that takes a Warrior/Paladin/Death Knight two hands to wield. Right, when did mages and locks (I think... Can locks use swords? No idea, never played one.) start going for +strength?

Kommentar von Gammosh

"I've never seen its equal.."

Kommentar von 22776

Got mine today!

Awesome weapon and quest chain as well... Seeing the sunwell and the sindorai all cheer for me was awesome!
Worth every copper lol!

Kommentar von cows

Honestly i would sell it if i got it cause in cata u will just find a better weapon.

Kommentar von Archangel76

Haste is a valuable stat in 3.2 for unholy death knights, but when 3.3 comes live, its value degrades quickly due to different rotation. After 3.3, the stat values are as below:

Hit until cap > Strength > Expertise until cap > Crit Rating > Armor Pen > Agility > Haste.

Loads of plate items are loaded with haste, and hardly any plate class desires them. Leather is so much better itemised, every item has 5 stats, while plate is overbudgeted with extra Stamina and only 4 stats.

Not accurate. You rotation depends on your specific sub-spec. If for example, you have a frost subspec and Necrosis, haste is just fine and in fact, is better than armor penetration. Armor penetration is better for a blood spec DK for dps..

Your stat values are a bit off. For a DK, the stat values really depend on your build. In general however....

Strength > Hit (until cap.... which depends on if you use 2H or DW) > Expertise (until soft cap) > armor penetration / crit / haste > agility

Agility moves up higher for a DK tank in this case. The above is generalized for a DK dps build.
A lot of the dps armor has hit built into it so getting to the hit cap is generally less of an issue. The expertise cap can be a bit trickier. As for hit though, I frequently see a 2H DK with 300+ hit and in some cases, up to 500. In those cases, I'm usually helping them lower their hit rating to try and get other damage producing stats increased.

One of the coolest things about DK's is the amount of options you have for dps'ing or tanking. The downside is, you really need to spend a little time planning out a build for effectiveness as you can get considerable dps or performance increases by shifting stats and talents even a slight amount. The Elitist Jerks forums for DK's are a good starting place, but not the end all be all. You really need to have a goal in mind when assembling your gearsets.

Kommentar von Archangel76

hope someone can explain to me why i aint seeing a dps upgrade when switching between these 2.

Gains: +34.7dps +35str +99crit rating
Loss: -1 haste rating -53ArP rating -1 Yellow socket -5 expertise (since im orc)

In my eyes this should be a pretty big upgrade.

Um...... just how big of an upgrade should it be?

What's your class? What's your talent build? What gear do you have equipped? All of that plays into how well you perform overall. And just because a tool-tip or some other calculator coughs up some number.... it all boils down to how well does it perform in play?

I find this somewhat disappointing and a reflection of the over-inflated value/growth of equipment/weapon stats in WotLK. A +34.7 dps gain would have been mind-boggling in the original "vanilla" WoW. It'd also be damn good in BC.

Kommentar von 607958

Actually, even that is not entirely correct. There are times that a weopon with higher dps and higher weapon damage will do less damage on a special attact than one with a slower swing speed. There are a lot of factors, but you should know that the inate damage on the weopon itself is only a small factor in how much damage is done. You know that whole "attack power" stat...yeah, it has a purpose. Attack power increases your "DPS," it is not a set amount tacked onto your swing. As such, the amount of DPS is multiplied by the swing speed to get how much damage will be added to each swing. So, in general, you need to consider all factors, swing speed being a very big one, but just as well, weapon damage. It will require math if you dont have the liberty of "trial and error."

Kommentar von 561706

best sword pre icc25 get from the battered hilt that drops in Fos,POS,HOR if u cant weild swords u get a mace

Kommentar von 615001

anybody know the display id for this sword i've looked for it every where dont recomend pages just tell me if you know thank you

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