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Vengeance Demon Hunter Tank Talents & Build Guide - Battle for Azeroth 8.3
By Munkky
Last updated
2020/01/13 at 10:49 PM
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Talents are one of the core character systems in World of Warcraft, giving players the option to customize their character by choosing different abilities.
In this guide, we will explain how all Vengeance Demon Hunter talents work and what are the best Vengeance Demon Hunter talent builds to use in World of Warcraft: , including specialized content like Raids and Mythic+. We also highlight all the best uses for each talent, so you can confidently pick the right talent to use for every situation, as well as the best Honor Talents to use while you are enjoying the bonuses from
War Mode
.
Note that in order to change talents, you must be out of combat and either be in a rested zone, like a major city or inn, or under the effects of
Tome of the Tranquil Mind
or
Codex of the Tranquil Mind
.
Overview
Beginners
Azerite
Essences
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Talent Builds
Rotation, Priority, and Abilities
Advanced Concepts
Stats
Gear
Consumables
Simulations
Correcting Mistakes
Mythic+
NEW Ny'alotha Tips
Macros & Addons
WeakAuras
Common Terms
About the Author
This guide is written by Munkky, Vengeance Demon Hunter TC, Moderator from the
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Best Vengeance Demon Hunter Talent Builds
Level 99:
Abyssal Strike
Level 100:
Fallout
Level 102:
Flame Crash
Level 104:
Fracture
is for mixed DPS and Survival,
Feed the Demon
for defensive build
Level 106:
Concentrated Sigils
for small dps bump/targeting at player,
Sigil of Chains
for dungeons or when you need a grip
Level 108:
Gluttony
for survival,
Spirit Bomb
for most DPS and smoothest Healing
Level 110:
Last Resort
for progression or specific strategies,
Void Reaver
all around defensive gain when the other two aren’t required,
Soul Barrier
good for magic damage/when you want an extra cd/general use.
NOTE: These are simply cookie-cutter vengeance demon hunter builds, and they will vary based on bosses/dungeons/affixes/player preference/group comp/etc.
This build is for when you are able to hold aggro and want to gain the maximal amount of survival. Note that most find it very boring, but the strength of the build defensively is easily the strongest. It will not be used except in extreme circumstances.
Talent Overview
Tier 1 (Level 99) Talents for Vengeance DH
Abyssal Strike
: This provides 2 extra Infernal Strike per minute. This means that you will have 5 total casts per minute of
Infernal Strike
. This provides a large mobility boost if it is required for certain bosses due to the extended range and the 12-second cooldown on
Infernal Strike
. As for DPS, it is viable with
Flame Crash
for AoE. Meaning M+ or multi-target encounters where they will be alive most of the time.
Agonizing Flames
: This can be used for the movement speed, however
Abyssal Strike
is superior for movement and DPS.
Razor Spikes
: This talent is underperforming at the moment although it may see use later on with more haste. It will rarely be used currently.
Physical abilities include:
Shear
,
Soul Cleave
, and
Fracture
and auto attacks.
Tier 2 (Level 100) Talents for Vengeance DH
Feast of Souls
: This talent causes your Soul Cleave to additionally apply a healing over time effect on you, providing a consistent source of healing between casts. The overall healing on this is underwhelming, and it is never used.
Fallout
: This talent causes each damage instance of the initial damage from Immolation Aura to have a chance to shatter soul fragments. What this means is that it has a chance to proc PER target. You can generate a max of 5 souls with this ability. As opposed to
Feast of Souls
, this causes much spikier healing, removing the consistent healing between
Soul Cleave
s that Feast of Souls offers, but making each
Soul Cleave
heal for more in bursts. This works well in conjunction with
Feed the Demon
,
and
for soul generation in Dungeons. Which is pretty much a must-have when using any of the three in dungeons. This is the DPS talent of choice on this row.
Burning Alive
: Spreads your
Fiery Brand
debuff from the primary target every 2 seconds starting with the 2nd second. So you will have your primary plus 4 enemies, for 5 total enemies with the debuff. Every time it spreads it gives the full duration of
Fiery Brand
. The DoT this talent applies is applied to every enemy affected by
Fiery Brand
. The 40% damage reduction and
Charred Flesh
are also spread. Overall this talent is extremely weak and will rarely see play.
Tier 3 (Level 102) Talents for Vengeance DH
Flame Crash
: This causes Infernal Strike to also plant a
Sigil of Flame
at the landing location. This talent is an AoE DPS increase. When taking this,
Infernal Strike
should always be used almost on cooldown, only saving charges for when movement is absolutely necessary. You will then continue to "weave" this with
Sigil of Flame
in order to maximize the uptime. (explained in the rotation section). This option is considered the best in the row, as Felblade is terrible (see Felblade Description) and Charred Flesh provides a smaller dps increase.
Charred Flesh
: This talents DPS increase is minimal and is the weakest in the row. It will rarely see play.
Felblade
: It is a single target charge that can be used up to 15 yards away, generating 30 pain. Each cast of
Shear
and
Fracture
have a chance to reset this cooldown. This talent is currently rarely used, as Flame Crash provides more dps with Abyssal Strike and it doesn't provide a defensive gain.
Tier 4 (Level 104) Talents for Vengeance DH
Soul Rending
: This talent grants you 5% leech baseline and causes
Metamorphosis
to grant 25% leech, increasing the total to 30% leech while
Metamorphosis
is active. The healing on this talent is underwhelming and it cannot compete with the other two talents in this row.
Feed the Demon
: This talent causes each soul fragment you consume to also decrease the cooldown on
Demon Spikes
by 0.5 seconds. It works well with Fallout on AoE and provides a small uptime bump to
Demon Spikes
on ST. If you want as much active mitigation uptime as possible and the fight involves little movement, this is the go-to talent.
Fracture
: This provides the most DPS in the row and allows for spawning souls in bursts. Allowing more burst healing and damage. It replaces
Shear
on your action bars as well. This will be the primary talent to take in most situations. (More info in the rotation page)
Tier 5 (Level 106) Talents for Vengeance DH
Concentrated Sigils
: This talent will increase your DPS, synergizing very well with
Flame Crash
. On the other hand, it will remove some possible utility by removing the ability to target sigils. This is generally taken in raiding as it places the sigil on yourself (many don't use macros) and it provides a small DPS gain. Our CC sigils aren't as needed in raids, otherwise, one of the other choices would be taken. This row is preference and scenario specific.
Quickened Sigils
: This ability causes all sigils to activate 1-second faster (1-second explosion) and reduces their cooldowns. Our CC sigils aren't needed in raids so this won't see much use there. In M+ this provides more CC, though it competes with Sigil of Chains grip ability. It reduces the CDs too: Flame - 24, Silence - 48, Misery - 72. This row is preference and scenario specific.
Sigil of Chains
:This talent gives the
Sigil of Chains
ability. This is an AoE grip to the center of the targeting circle. It is useful for grouping up ranged and caster mobs. The grip also cancels whatever cast the enemy may be doing. This row is preference and scenario specific.
Tier 6 (Level 108) Talents for Vengeance DH
Gluttony
: This has an rppm proc rate and has a chance to give
Metamorphosis
when consuming a soul. This talent is strong defensively and is the best for high keys or when you need the survival in a raid environment.
Spirit Bomb
: This is the best option at the moment. This consumes all souls and explodes for 8 yards around you. Applying Frailty, a 10% leech type effect, (this doesn't actually give or effect leech) to those targets. This provides the highest consistent healing of this tier as well as the highest overall damage.
Fel Devastation
: This is an ability that has a cooldown of one minute. It deals some damage in a frontal cone AoE, as well as providing large amounts of healing during the channel if you hit an enemy. This is the weakest talent on the row in most situations currently.
Tier 7 (Level 110) Talents for Vengeance DH
Last Resort
: A strong choice for progression content. It can save wipes and save a battle res. You can use it to avoid a mechanic if needed. Once every 8 minutes, instead of taking fatal damage, this will heal you to 30% HP instead and activate
Metamorphosis
. It does not stack with
Metamorphosis
, it simply refreshes the duration of
Metamorphosis
if this procs during Meta.
Gluttony
however does add 5 seconds to the timer instead of a full refresh. With how hard higher end M+ can hit, this is still a strong choice in case you need an extra cooldown.
Void Reaver
: This is a general purpose talent. If the other two options are not viable or not required for a fight, this will provide a small amount of damage reduction. This is still viable with the talent
Spirit Bomb
, as you will still need to dump pain with
Soul Cleave
Soul Barrier
: Will be the best for Magic intensive fights or when you need an extra cooldown up regularly. You can use this in conjunction with
Fracture
and
Fallout
to build souls with one beforehand, cast
Soul Barrier
, then build souls with a secondary ability. I.e. build with
Fracture
,
Shear
,
Immolation Aura
(with
Fallout
on AoE),for maximum effectiveness on the souls. If you are using this with
Spirit Bomb
, then it is better offensively to use spirit bomb then use Soul Barrier when you have no souls or as little as possible. Then it will keep adding to the absorb via the extra souls consumed. While the buff is active, any souls consumed will add to the absorb.
War Mode for Vengeance Demon Hunter
A new change in BFA is the addition of
War Mode
. War Mode is a new World PvP system in the Battle for Azeroth pre-patch, along with the new Honor system and Honor Talents. You are now able to toggle War Mode while in Stormwind or Orgrimmar to gain access to PvP Talents in the outdoor world as well as other bonuses, like increased rewards from World quests and 10% extra experience. The downside is that you will always be in PvP combat mode, with the rewards counterbalancing that risk.
With that in mind, not all talents give the best throughput for your Vengeance Demon Hunter. We've selected the best options for you to use while doing outdoor content with this mode turned on. Keep in mind that these are the best options for PvE activities and may differ from those used when fighting other players.
War Mode bonuses may now scale up to 30%, based on how imbalanced is the PvP situation against your faction. On top of that, you will be able to turn off War Mode in any resting area, like smaller cities and inns, allowing you to leave unfavorable situations if you so desire.
The first talent does not matter, however I will be taking
Adaptation
.
For the next 3, if you are solo then take
Solitude
,
Jagged Spikes
, and
Demonic Trample
.
If you are in a group that you will be within 15 yards of often, you can replace
Solitude
for either
Everlasting Hunt
for more movement or
Tormentor
for more Single Target damage.
Note that
Jagged Spikes
will reduce in effectiveness as your ilevel increases due to lower damage taken, meaning lower damage done back to the enemy.
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